Originally posted by Stoic
Why would anyone ever concede to someone that believes that Superman at this very same power level has the power to defeat Dark Phoenix? RK Thor never had to destroy a galaxy to be able to actually do so. The arc was not written around him doing so. How about you show me a Probe destroying a galaxy as a side effect from doing battle. If you can't do that, which I know that you can't, why bring it up?
RKT going by feats was below galaxy level
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
[B]I WARN YOU if you continue your insults toward The House of El there will be the most DIRE of consequences!!! [/B]
What are you doing, calling each other to figure out a new strategy? Superman is a mere mortal, while RK Thor operates on levels above his powers. There's no way to wriggle out of this one. It was a poor choice for you to create this thread, now go and clean up your house. And I expect you to write: "OWAW Superman has no chance against RK Thor" 100 times.
Originally posted by Stoic
Why would anyone ever concede to someone that believes that Superman at this very same power level has the power to defeat Dark Phoenix? RK Thor never had to destroy a galaxy to be able to actually do so. The arc was not written around him doing so. How about you show me a Probe destroying a galaxy as a side effect from doing battle. If you can't do that, which I know that you can't, why bring it up?
Ok, let's go through this again, a final time, and be objective and fair. You seem to think a Probe is low meta or something but let's look at them.
A single Probe defeated Superman and Mongul. I would say this is worth at least a low Trans.
A single Probe defeated, GL Kayle Rayner, Battlearmor amped WW, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman and for the record Plasticman, at the same time, with ease. This is beyond HH level, imo not even Thanos could do this, but let's lowball like a Marvel zombie and pretend it's just low Trans.
A single Probe defeated 100000 Daxamites. Let's say it's also just low Trans...
I won't continue to name the teams and planets single Probes annihilated or the statements made about their destructive power being able to annihilate a Galaxy in hours. Let's go lowball them a bit.
A Probe was destroyed by an artefact ampd AM who died in the Process. Let's say it was HH or even MH.
A Probe was destroyed by Black Lightning and Genral Lane in a Tank, the bst tech earth has to offer. Lane died in the process, let's say the Probe was just mid Herald.
Two Probs were destroyed by an artefact amped Hippolyta, who died in the process. Let's pretend they were mid Heralds too.
So from this, let's do it your way and lowball the shit out of it. They are between mid Herald to low Trans.
Superman later oneshots them, an whole army, it takes a low Skyfather to onshot a HH in such a way in marvel, to oneshot a low Trans it would take a higher Skyfather being. How much more powerful is a Skyfather than a Herald? Not much more powerful than a High Trans as we know. And some Skyfather were beaten by Heralds too. So the gap is not that big, let's say 5-10 times. How big is the power gap between a Skyfather and an Abstract level being like Galactus? By their bout not that big, maybe a factor of 2?
Superman had to be 5-10 times stronger than before.
The sundip increased his powers at least by a factor of 100+. Because he was unable to fight off the tendrils, while the Entropy Aegis was able to do it. Later those tendrils increased a hundredfold and the EA was unable to fight them off, yet Sundipped Superman took them all, not only one, but all, at once while tanking everything B13, who had the power of an abstract at his disposal, threw at Superman. Tanking abstract power and even overpowering it (the engines powered by it) gives us a pretty clear view on his Loeb intended Powerlevel.
Now to KT.
He has the Odinpower. This alone makes him a Skyfather. So this is where he is now.
He loses, even with his full power, an arm to Wolverine. This is a mid Herald feat.
Slightly depowered, yet above his Thor level, he kills Thing and Hulk. Captain America however almost kills him. This is a low Trans feat, let's highball him a bit, he needs it.
He no sells Mangogs attacks, who, as we see in the scans you just quoted (I have Mr. M-Troll on ignore), was massively weakened. Thor comments how Mangogs Magic fails him and Loki even states that he was siphoning Mangogs powers. This is a Trans feat, let's highball it and say it's High Trans.
He thwarted the Old Gods. Let's say this is a Skyfather feat.
So just objectively seeing the superior feats of the Probs I say, phuck it, they are far below KT or RKT and only HH or low Trans. Superman on the other hand, objectively looking at the scans and feats of both, is above him but you know what, let's say phuck, OWAW Mindset Superman who had to be at least 5 times stronger than before is still below RKT because of .... REASONS... the sundip still gives him an 100+ boost and this is the point where this thread becomes just spite and Superman stomps.
I am done here. Everyone can read this and decide for himself.
Originally posted by Stoic
What are you doing, calling each other to figure out a new strategy? Superman is a mere mortal, while RK Thor operates on levels above his powers. There's no way to wriggle out of this one. It was a poor choice for you to create this thread, now go and clean up your house. And I expect you to write: "OWAW Superman has no chance against RK Thor" 100 times.
You are destined to end up broken and battered like your dead hero Starbrand!
Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 ... RKT was omniscient too, and evolved beyond "Death."RKT (with one arm) effortlessly stopped a raging/charging Mangog,
then RKT wasn't fazed at all by Mangog's furious blows:RKT (again, effortlessly) erased Mangog with a thought:
As anyone knows, Mangog is far stronger and more durable than Thor.
To me, it's the nonchalant reaction RKT used in the feat.
Bad argument.
1. Superman is astronomically stronger than Mangog. Think of thousands of galaxies of power.
2. Superman is astronomically faster than RKT. Thor won't even be able to lift his hand before Superman hits him.
3. Mangog is a little stronger than Thor and about a few times more durable. I can prove it if you like.
In conclusion, Superman hits RKT with a force beyond anything he has experienced and koes him before Thor completes a thought.
This thread is spite. It's like comparing thousands of galaxies of power with not even a single one.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Sun Dipped Superman has thousands of Galaxies of power?That does not even make sense.
He overpowered the energies of an Abstract shrug, oneshot probes that can annihilate a Galaxy in hours. RKT also never showed he has the power of thousands of Galaxies but to each his own. I go by the feats presented, not hyperbole.
Originally posted by h1a8
Bad argument.
1. Superman is astronomically stronger than Mangog. Think of thousands of galaxies of power.2. Superman is astronomically faster than RKT. Thor won't even be able to lift his hand before Superman hits him.
3. Mangog is a little stronger than Thor and about a few times more durable. I can prove it if you like.
In conclusion, Superman hits RKT with a force beyond anything he has experienced and koes him before Thor completes a thought.
This thread is spite. It's like comparing thousands of galaxies of power with not even a single one.
You really have yet to prove any of your claims. So he most logical course of action here, would be to simply ignore these new claims and move on.
Originally posted by h1a8
Bad argument.
1. Superman is astronomically stronger than Mangog. Think of thousands of galaxies of power.2. Superman is astronomically faster than RKT. Thor won't even be able to lift his hand before Superman hits him.
3. Mangog is a little stronger than Thor and about a few times more durable. I can prove it if you like.
In conclusion, Superman hits RKT with a force beyond anything he has experienced and koes him before Thor completes a thought.
This thread is spite. It's like comparing thousands of galaxies of power with not even a single one.
And don't forget, this Mangog was depowered, the scans state that his magic is failing him because of Loki siphoning his powers. He was nowhere near his true power.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
And don't forget, this Mangog was depowered, the scans state that his magic is failing him because of Loki siphoning his powers. He was nowhere near his true power.
Where does it say nowhere near his full power? If you want to go that route, RK Thor casually plucks Loki's head off like it was a grape. How much power was siphoned from him? He didn't appear to be in a weakened condition while he was punching away, so perhaps Loki siphoned power, and Mangog recovered similar to having blood taken. We can all speculate. I'd also like to add, that there was nothing about RK Thor that was actually hyperbole. Context is all that is needed, because feats aren't the only way of proving a characters power levels. RK Thor was vastly more powerful than Odin according to context.
I'm still waiting on the proof that a Probe could destroy a Galaxy, and even if the more powerful ones could, in your very own words you said that it would take hours. We know that galaxies were destroyed as a side effect of Odin's battles, not that it took hours of concentrated assaults to bring this about. There's a very large difference. What proof do we have that the original Beyonder was stronger than General Zod? Have we ever seen it/him lift or tug a planet? Do we need this proof, or does context support the idea that he was well above Zod?
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ ... ey Stoic, matters little ...Super amped Loki (also wielding mjolnir) + his army, got stomped by RKT with a gesture:
RKT also keeps Loki alive after decapitating him effortlessly.
I know. Loki himself was walking around at Sky Father level, but let's concentrate on the idea that Plastic man, Wonder Woman, J'onn, Aquaman, Kyle, and the gang are this enormous threat in comparison. Let's even bring Mongul into the fold. I don't see anything about that particular lineup that suggests that a Low Trans could not or would not wipe the floor with them. Unless Plastic Man is somehow going to save them.
A more powerful team than that was getting the mess beaten out of them by a vastly inferior version of Synnar (Low-Mid Trans) during Hardcore Station. Superman even asks what it takes to bring this guy down, while in the company of Orion, J'onn, Wonder Woman, etc.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
He overpowered the energies of an Abstract shrug, oneshot probes that can annihilate a Galaxy in hours. RKT also never showed he has the power of thousands of Galaxies but to each his own. I go by the feats presented, not hyperbole.
When you explain it like this, it makes more sense, thanks.
@Stoic, so you agree that the Probe was at least low Trans, the one that beat the JLA. Good. Superman can obviousl onshot multiple low Trans beings.
Mangog was depowered, as seen in the scan. You can't make this fact disappear as much as you wish.
So right now the argument is whether RKT would be able to beat a Probe. I never disagreed, he can. The Argument if RKT is Skyfather+, no Problem with it. By feats he did nothing impressive compared to Odin but still impressive enough to be a legit Skyfather, give him even the +.
The Probes by feats were low Trans, this we agree on, now. Superman oneshoting them brings him into the Skyfather tier. Now with an 100+ powerincrease this becomes spite.
Glad we agree in the end.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
When you explain it like this, it makes more sense, thanks.
How does it make sense? This is someone that tries to make it seem like fodder units amount to more than they are. We have all seen how fodder Gl's, fodder Daxamite's, and fodder Gamma Mutants are treated in comics. It's not as if one Probe defeated 10,000 Zod's or 10,000 Kal-El's. He then attempts to make more of the JL than they actually are by stating that one Probe was able to easily defeat them, and then turns his attentions to a true High Trans character like Thanos who single handedly defeated Lord Mar-Vell, and his Cancer-Verse Avengers. not to mention beating them while they had possession of a Cosmic Cube. Lord Mar-Vell alone embarrassed a comparable team with a wave of his hand.
I'm guessing that he believes that Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Plastic Man is going to do more than be beaten to death by Thanos who took several blasts from a CCU and was still able to get up and dust it off. Black Adam alone was taking on more than that team JL team during WW3. Unless we forget, Beta Ray Bill and several other High Heralds can casually destroy planets. I really don't see how it is low balling to call those Probes Low Trans.
Thanos is well below Odin's level (this is directly seen in their respective battle), and RK Thor was vastly more powerful than Odin if we choose not to ignore solid contextual evidence. Loki was operating at Sky Father levels, and RK Thor pulled his head off with the ease of plucking a grape, and to add insult to injury, he defied Death by keeping him alive during the process. Easily no selling a being with the power of a billion billion beings, who had the upper hand on Odin a being that destroys galaxies as an after effect of battle. How can anyone begin to compare a Probe to this?
Originally posted by Stoic
How does it make sense? This is someone that tries to make it seem like fodder units amount to more than they are. We have all seen how fodder Gl's, fodder Daxamite's, and fodder Gamma Mutants are treated in comics. It's not as if one Probe defeated 10,000 Zod's or 10,000 Kal-El's. He then attempts to make more of the JL than they actually are by stating that one Probe was able to easily defeat them, and then turns his attentions to a true High Trans character like Thanos who single handedly defeated Lord Mar-Vell, and his Cancer-Verse Avengers. not to mention beating them while they had possession of a Cosmic Cube. Lord Mar-Vell alone embarrassed a comparable team with a wave of his hand.I'm guessing that he believes that Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Plastic Man is going to do more than be beaten to death by Thanos who took several blasts from a CCU and was still able to get up and dust it off. Black Adam alone was taking on more than that team JL team during WW3. Unless we forget, Beta Ray Bill and several other High Heralds can casually destroy planets. I really don't see how it is low balling to call those Probes Low Trans.
Thanos is well below Odin's level (this is directly seen in their respective battle), and RK Thor was vastly more powerful than Odin if we choose not to ignore solid contextual evidence. Loki was operating at Sky Father levels, and RK Thor pulled his head off with the ease of plucking a grape, and to add insult to injury, he defied Death by keeping him alive during the process. Easily no selling a being with the power of a billion billion beings, who had the upper hand on Odin a being that destroys galaxies as an after effect of battle. How can anyone begin to compare a Probe to this?
Read before stating something stupid.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeA single Probe defeated, GL Kayle Rayner, Battlearmor amped WW, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman and for the record Plasticman, at the same time, with ease. This is beyond HH level, imo not even Thanos could do this, but let's lowball like a Marvel zombie and pretend it's just low Trans.
A single Probe defeated 100000 Daxamites. Let's say it's also just low Trans...
Leave out chars from the JLA, lie and ignore what I offered your little biased lowball brain and highball the shit out of a mostly featless hyperbolic RKT, it's your only desperate chance.
