Originally posted by Stoic
Can you read? Serious question.
Ok, seriously. You are either the biggest idiot i had to deal with on this forum or you are just afraid to answer what I asked of you, without the bullshit, like I did, which makes you a troll.
The only way to deal with scum like you is, the ignore function. 🙂
What a waste of time you were.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok, seriously. You are either the biggest idiot i had to deal with on this forum or you are just afraid to answer what I asked of you, without the bullshit, like I did, which makes you a troll.The only way to deal with scum like you is, the ignore function. 🙂
What a waste of time you were.
You're simply to idiotic to read what i stated long ago, and continued to ask the same question. I don't blame you though, I mean look at how far critical reading has gotten you. You jump from Loeb the writer stating off panel that Superman was at least 100X more powerful from the dip in the sun, to going outside of his statement and erroneously stating that he was 500X base. Ignore me if you will, doesn't change the fact that you are a moron.
Originally posted by Stoic
You're simply to idiotic to read what i stated long ago, and continued to ask the same question. I don't blame you though, I mean look at how far critical reading has gotten you. You jump from Loeb the writer stating off panel that Superman was at least 100X more powerful from the dip in the sun, to going outside of his statement and erroneously stating that he was 500X base. Ignore me if you will, doesn't change the fact that you are a moron.
Actually the statement says Superman was 100x more powerful at his base in OWAW due his mindset, the sun dip then amplified him multiplicatively by 500x on top of that.
Superman was 50,000x more powerful than he normally was, thus why he was able to destroy a multiversal abstract (entropy).
Originally posted by Board Walker
Actually the statement says Superman was 100x more powerful at his base in OWAW due his mindset, the sun dip then amplified him multiplicatively by 500x on top of that.Superman was 50,000x more powerful than he normally was, thus why he was able to destroy a multiversal abstract (entropy).
Actually I was looking for Jeph Loeb's interview on the subject, not that it really matters, because RK Thor transcended the physical realms of mortals. These little power houses would not defeat him because he was operating on an entirely different level. The punches and all of that stuff would have no effect on him. Also it's not really like anyone believes much of what you say.
Originally posted by Stoic
Actually I was looking for Jeph Loeb's interview on the subject, not that it really matters, because RK Thor transcended the physical realms of mortals. These little power houses would not defeat him because he was operating on an entirely different level. The punches and all of that stuff would have no effect on him. Also it's not really like anyone believes much of what you say.
Superman was abstract in his fight with entropy, his "punches" destroyed an abstract and he was beyond the concepts of time and death. Superman was above universal abstract level.
Many do believe what I say, your issue is that you do not align with the facts and that is your issue. Ultimately all I care about is spreading the truth, if you choose to deny the truth that is your choice.
I also could say "no one believes what you say", but really it is a childish statement as you really are just saying "I dont agree with you and I am mad other people do. So I am going to try to covince myself no one agrees with you to make myself feel better."
Originally posted by Board Walker
Superman was abstract in his fight with entropy, his "punches" destroyed an abstract and he was beyond the concepts of time and death. Superman was above universal abstract level.Many do believe what I say, your issue is that you do not align with the facts and that is your issue. Ultimately all I care about is spreading the truth, if you choose to deny the truth that is your choice.
I also could say "no one believes what you say", but really it is a childish statement as you really are just saying "I dont agree with you and I am mad other people do. So I am going to try to covince myself no one agrees with you to make myself feel better."
Is this like the time that you wanted everyone to believe that you were right and the writer was wrong? You know the time when Scott had to step in with the Twitter statement? I mean if we really want to stretch things, Thor at his base levels hurt the Chaos King with lightning, and it recently took hordes of Beyonders to take him and Hyperion down. I guess that you would also call that a megaversal level character.
Originally posted by Stoic
Is this like the time that you wanted everyone to believe that you were right and the writer was wrong? You know the time when Scott had to step in with the Twitter statement? I mean if we really want to stretch things, Thor at his base levels hurt the Chaos King with lightning, and it recently took hordes of Beyonders to take him and Hyperion down. I guess that you would also call that a megaversal level character.
Beyonders were shown to be below herald level. Thus not much of a feat for Thor.
Also scott was wrong, as the person he went to get a response from was an ex employee and his words were not canon.
Originally posted by Stoic
You really have yet to prove any of your claims. So he most logical course of action here, would be to simply ignore these new claims and move on.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Sun Dipped Superman has thousands of Galaxies of power?That does not even make sense.
5Action Comics #782: Superman’s greatest ever feat of raw power. After flying through the sun for an increase in power, Superman moves Warworld. Braniac had stolen the energy of Imperiex. Imperiex gained his power from the consumption of thousands of whole galaxies since the dawn of time. Braniac’s narrative: “Full thrust counter-measure! How is he moving my planet? The Kryptonian does not have that power!” The panel clearly shows the blue Imperiex energies firing from WarWorld’s engines.
Originally posted by h1a8
5Action Comics #782: Superman’s greatest ever feat of raw power. After flying through the sun for an increase in power, Superman moves Warworld. Braniac had stolen the energy of Imperiex. Imperiex gained his power from the consumption of thousands of whole galaxies since the dawn of time. Braniac’s narrative: “Full thrust counter-measure! How is he moving my planet? The Kryptonian does not have that power!” The panel clearly shows the blue Imperiex energies firing from WarWorld’s engines.
And yet there have been guys in the Trans tier that were capable of flexing, and turning planets to dust. Morg with the Waters of Life was one such being. Why is it that everyone has to pay attention to Superman greatest physical feats, but then the people harping about them will never acknowledge the power of other characters that have down at minimum the same if not better? You fro one will be the first to state that you have some sort of proof to the contrary, and we will wait until the sun dies, and still you produce nothing. Nadda. Do you know what Nadda amounts to? Look in the mirror, and say it. Nadda.
Originally posted by Stoicdid you even read my post? Superman did more than move a planet. He overpowered the begotten Imperiex force counter thrust.
And yet there have been guys in the Trans tier that were capable of flexing, and turning planets to dust. Morg with the Waters of Life was one such being. Why is it that everyone has to pay attention to Superman greatest physical feats, but then the people harping about them will never acknowledge the power of other characters that have down at minimum the same if not better? You fro one will be the first to state that you have some sort of proof to the contrary, and we will wait until the sun dies, and still you produce nothing. Nadda. Do you know what Nadda amounts to? Look in the mirror, and say it. Nadda.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok, let's go through this again, a final time, and be objective and fair. You seem to think a Probe is low meta or something but let's look at them.A single Probe defeated Superman and Mongul. I would say this is worth at least a low Trans.
A single Probe defeated, GL Kayle Rayner, Battlearmor amped WW, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman and for the record Plasticman, at the same time, with ease. This is beyond HH level, imo not even Thanos could do this, but let's lowball like a Marvel zombie and pretend it's just low Trans.
A single Probe defeated 100000 Daxamites. Let's say it's also just low Trans...
I won't continue to name the teams and planets single Probes annihilated or the statements made about their destructive power being able to annihilate a Galaxy in hours. Let's go lowball them a bit.
A Probe was destroyed by an artefact ampd AM who died in the Process. Let's say it was HH or even MH.
A Probe was destroyed by Black Lightning and Genral Lane in a Tank, the bst tech earth has to offer. Lane died in the process, let's say the Probe was just mid Herald.
Two Probs were destroyed by an artefact amped Hippolyta, who died in the process. Let's pretend they were mid Heralds too.
So from this, let's do it your way and lowball the shit out of it. They are between mid Herald to low Trans.
Superman later oneshots them, an whole army, it takes a low Skyfather to onshot a HH in such a way in marvel, to oneshot a low Trans it would take a higher Skyfather being. How much more powerful is a Skyfather than a Herald? Not much more powerful than a High Trans as we know. And some Skyfather were beaten by Heralds too. So the gap is not that big, let's say 5-10 times. How big is the power gap between a Skyfather and an Abstract level being like Galactus? By their bout not that big, maybe a factor of 2?
Superman had to be 5-10 times stronger than before.
The sundip increased his powers at least by a factor of 100+. Because he was unable to fight off the tendrils, while the Entropy Aegis was able to do it. Later those tendrils increased a hundredfold and the EA was unable to fight them off, yet Sundipped Superman took them all, not only one, but all, at once while tanking everything B13, who had the power of an abstract at his disposal, threw at Superman. Tanking abstract power and even overpowering it (the engines powered by it) gives us a pretty clear view on his Loeb intended Powerlevel.
Now to KT.
He has the Odinpower. This alone makes him a Skyfather. So this is where he is now.
He loses, even with his full power, an arm to Wolverine. This is a mid Herald feat.
Slightly depowered, yet above his Thor level, he kills Thing and Hulk. Captain America however almost kills him. This is a low Trans feat, let's highball him a bit, he needs it.
He no sells Mangogs attacks, who, as we see in the scans you just quoted (I have Mr. M-Troll on ignore), was massively weakened. Thor comments how Mangogs Magic fails him and Loki even states that he was siphoning Mangogs powers. This is a Trans feat, let's highball it and say it's High Trans.
He thwarted the Old Gods. Let's say this is a Skyfather feat.
So just objectively seeing the superior feats of the Probs I say, phuck it, they are far below KT or RKT and only HH or low Trans. Superman on the other hand, objectively looking at the scans and feats of both, is above him but you know what, let's say phuck, OWAW Mindset Superman who had to be at least 5 times stronger than before is still below RKT because of .... REASONS... the sundip still gives him an 100+ boost and this is the point where this thread becomes just spite and Superman stomps.
I am done here. Everyone can read this and decide for himself.
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Originally posted by h1a8
did you even read my post? Superman did more than move a planet. He overpowered the begotten Imperiex force counter thrust.
For one, can you quantify the amount of power? No one is saying that OWAW Superman wasn't a beast. It's about time that you and the rest of that House of Hosers come to the realization that no one is claiming that his feats were crap. They were downright spectacular.
The problem comes when you guys fail to recognize that there are actually other characters out there that can do as good, or better. There are characters that would not even need to touch Superman at that level in order to make him go bye bye. RK Thor was no longer a physical being that punches, speed, and laser eyes would hold weight over. Now it's your turn to say that Mangog is a weakling, and you can prove it, and that's when everyone stops listening. Or then we should make it out that Loki must have been a High Herald or perhaps lower because RK Thor easily tore his head off. And again, that's when people stop listening.
You seem to be in such awe over that feat, but then when I bring up a base level Thor harming the Chaos King, I must be joking, or the Chaos King must be incredibly weak, which would then include an entire slew of characters that actually make the War World feat pale in comparison, but let's just focus on what Superman did after flying through a star and ignore what all of the others can do.
Originally posted by Stoic
For one, can you quantify the amount of power? No one is saying that OWAW Superman wasn't a beast. It's about time that you and the rest of that House of Hosers come to the realization that no one is claiming that his feats were crap. They were downright spectacular.The problem comes when you guys fail to recognize that there are actually other characters out there that can do as good, or better. There are characters that would not even need to touch Superman at that level in order to make him go bye bye. RK Thor was no longer a physical being that punches, speed, and laser eyes would hold weight over. Now it's your turn to say that Mangog is a weakling, and you can prove it, and that's when everyone stops listening. Or then we should make it out that Loki must have been a High Herald or perhaps lower because RK Thor easily tore his head off. And again, that's when people stop listening.
You seem to be in such awe over that feat, but then when I bring up a base level Thor harming the Chaos King, I must be joking, or the Chaos King must be incredibly weak, which would then include an entire slew of characters that actually make the War World feat pale in comparison, but let's just focus on what Superman did after flying through a star and ignore what all of the others can do.
I can quantify the amount of power. Brainaic said, "Full counter thrust". He didn't say partial counter thrust. Superman pushed against the Full begotten Imperiex force as the writer intended. Stop making stuff up and simply go by writer intentions.
Mangog was a weakling because he has no strength feats to prove otherwise. All of his strength showings in history were weak sauce. Nothing beyond mountain busting power. Nothing!
You have to prove that Thor will not get killed or koed by a single punch by Superman. Even if Superman could only exert the weight of a single planet behind his punch then you have to prove that Thor can withstand such a punch. Otherwise, he can't. No proof means it can't happen.
Everything you are saying is faulty. What Thor did is irrelevant. You have to prove that he is fast enough to make an action before getting hit. Or you have to prove that Thor can withstand many hits without much to any damage from Superman. Without that, then what Thor did to Loki or Mangog is nothing. Even if Thor was the same speed as Superman you still have to prove that what Thor did was greater than moving or destroying a planet, because what he did wasn't.
Originally posted by h1a8
I can quantify the amount of power. Brainaic said, "Full counter thrust". He didn't say partial counter thrust. Superman pushed against the Full begotten Imperiex force as the writer intended. Stop making stuff up and simply go by writer intentions.Mangog was a weakling because he has no strength feats to prove otherwise. All of his strength showings in history were weak sauce. Nothing beyond mountain busting power. Nothing!
You have to prove that Thor will not get killed or koed by a single punch by Superman. Even if Superman could only exert the weight of a single planet behind his punch then you have to prove that Thor can withstand such a punch. Otherwise, he can't. No proof means it can't happen.Everything you are saying is faulty. What Thor did is irrelevant. You have to prove that he is fast enough to make an action before getting hit. Or you have to prove that Thor can withstand many hits without much to any damage from Superman. Without that, then what Thor did to Loki or Mangog is nothing. Even if Thor was the same speed as Superman you still have to prove that what Thor did was greater than moving or destroying a planet, because what he did wasn't.
1. If you can quantify the amount of weight that Superman was countering then do so. First we will need to know exactly how much thrust full thrust meant, and how much War World weighed. I know for a fact that Sakaar was larger than the Earth, and it was going to blow up. The Hulk denied the explosion by going from base strength to the amount of strength needed to over power said explosion. So at this point we know that the explosion itself put out more power than the entire weight of that planet. Keeping in mind that even at that level of strength, I'd never argue that the Hulk stood a chance against Rune King Thor.
2. Mangog never had to lift planets, and toss them out of the solar system to be considered a power house. This is what context is for. Not all context is true, and much of it can be considered hyperbole, but this was never the intention that was set for the character. If he were weak, then Odin would have never had a difficult time with him, and he would have simply walked over and put him out of his misery. But then again in you opinion Odin is weak sauce, because you've decided that he has to remain at his base levels and does not amplify his power on a whim. This is another of your errors.
3. Why does Rune King Thor have to make an action before getting hit if the hit will not damage him? Mangog may have been weakened to a degree that no one knows, but Loki was amplified to Sky Father levels. This did not save him from having his head pulled off with little to no effort. he was even confident that his level of power at that point in time would be sufficient to take on Thor. He was wrong, just like you are wrong. Before arguing about what Rune King Thor could do, and could not do, why not read the arc?
4. I said that the Chaos King was hurt by a a lightning storm from a base level Thor. You never really responded to that. Why not check and see how powerful that guy was, if you don't know. It was stated that the Chaos King was the equivalent of Eternity, a true Abstract, and not just some random high powered cosmic entity. Yet we see a base level Thor hurting him.
5. As I've stated, you may have been supremely elated by what took place during OWAW, but there are others with feats just as good, or even better.
Originally posted by Stoic
1. If you can quantify the amount of weight that Superman was countering then do so. First we will need to know exactly how much thrust full thrust meant, and how much War World weighed. I know for a fact that Sakaar was larger than the Earth, and it was going to blow up. The Hulk denied the explosion by going from base strength to the amount of strength needed to over power said explosion. So at this point we know that the explosion itself put out more power than the entire weight of that planet. Keeping in mind that even at that level of strength, I'd never argue that the Hulk stood a chance against Rune King Thor.2. Mangog never had to lift planets, and toss them out of the solar system to be considered a power house. This is what context is for. Not all context is true, and much of it can be considered hyperbole, but this was never the intention that was set for the character. If he were weak, then Odin would have never had a difficult time with him, and he would have simply walked over and put him out of his misery. But then again in you opinion Odin is weak sauce, because you've decided that he has to remain at his base levels and does not amplify his power on a whim. This is another of your errors.
3. Why does Rune King Thor have to make an action before getting hit if the hit will not damage him? Mangog may have been weakened to a degree that no one knows, but Loki was amplified to Sky Father levels. This did not save him from having his head pulled off with little to no effort. he was even confident that his level of power at that point in time would be sufficient to take on Thor. He was wrong, just like you are wrong. Before arguing about what Rune King Thor could do, and could not do, why not read the arc?
4. I said that the Chaos King was hurt by a a lightning storm from a base level Thor. You never really responded to that. Why not check and see how powerful that guy was, if you don't know. It was stated that the Chaos King was the equivalent of Eternity, a true Abstract, and not just some random high powered cosmic entity. Yet we see a base level Thor hurting him.
5. As I've stated, you may have been supremely elated by what took place during OWAW, but there are others with feats just as good, or even better.
1. The Imperiex force is derived from absorbing thousands of galaxies since the dawn of time. Braniac exerted full power against Superman as stated in the comic.
2. Without feats you can't prove that Mangog could bust a mountain with a single blow. I can show you every single showing of Mangog and mathematically prove that everything he did was under mountain busting strength. So if a character shows under mountain busting power in every single showing then are we supposed to assume they are far above that? When Odin fought Mangog he one shotted him easily. Mangog hit Thor repeatedly without koing him.
3. I said "or". He has to make an action before OR suffer no damage after many hits. What proof do you have that Thor can withstand a punch that could shatter a planet? Thor used a forcefield to stop Mangog, not his durability. Why did Thor choose a forcefield? Maybe Mangog could actually affect Thor?
4. Thor affecting CK with lightning has nothing to do with anything. Thor's lightning is not always operating at that level in other comics. Offense doesn't prove defense or durability. Lightning is magic and energy and not pure blunt force.
5. You still failed to prove that Thor can withstand a planet busting punch let alone a thousand galaxy one. Feats prevent no limits fallacy. Things must be quantified for characters in different companies.