Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
@Stoic, so you agree that the Probe was at least low Trans, the one that beat the JLA. Good. Superman can obviousl onshot multiple low Trans beings.Mangog was depowered, as seen in the scan. You can't make this fact disappear as much as you wish.
So right now the argument is whether RKT would be able to beat a Probe. I never disagreed, he can. The Argument if RKT is Skyfather+, no Problem with it. By feats he did nothing impressive compared to Odin but still impressive enough to be a legit Skyfather, give him even the +.
The Probes by feats were low Trans, this we agree on, now. Superman oneshoting them brings him into the Skyfather tier. Now with an 100+ powerincrease this becomes spite.
Glad we agree in the end.
No, we aren't in agreement. There is no proof to back Mangog remaining in a weakened condition, if he was even weakened any opinion on the subject is speculation. Did you see him huffing and puffing while punching RK Thor? There was absolutely no evidence that it affected him in any way. It only states that Loki used him to amplify his power. Loki also took power from other beings if you didn't notice that as well. Loki at that point was a Sky Father, and we see how much more powerful RK Thor is, in comparison to a true Sky Father. Did you read those scans?
Originally posted by Stoic
No, we aren't in agreement. There is no proof to back Mangog remaining in a weakened condition, if he was even weakened any opinion on the subject is speculation. Did you see him huffing and puffing while punching RK Thor? There was absolutely no evidence that it affected him in any way. It only states that Loki used him to amplify his power. Loki also took power from other beings if you didn't notice that as well. Loki at that point was a Sky Father, and we see how much more powerful RK Thor is, in comparison to a true Sky Father. Did you read those scans?
Thor: "I see your magic fails you Mangog. Such is the price to pay under Loki".
Loki: "... and syphoned the magics of Mangog."
No evidence my ass, tard.
If you want to pretend it never happened in YOUR world, that's fine. I have better things to do than show the obious to someone as dense as you.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
facepalmRead before stating something stupid.
Leave out chars from the JLA, lie and ignore what I offered your little biased lowball brain and highball the shit out of a mostly featless hyperbolic RKT, it's your only desperate chance.
Don't get pissed when people call you on you BS. Just have a cookie. It should smooth everything out, and allow you to see the truth for what it is. Superman of OWAW was operating at High Trans-Low Sky Father Levels. There is more to this entire thing that super speed, awesome punching power, and laser vision, after images, and freeze breath. RK Thor's abilities transcended these mundane powers. Once again and with meaning this time, RK Thor was outside of the realm of Life and Death. The same concepts that pertain to mortal fictional characters no longer held meaning to him. You should read the arc, because you obviously haven't.
Superman simply does not have the tools to face a being with Rune King Thor's power set. This is not hyperbole, and you don't need little pretty pictures to count something as being a feat. The context of that arc takes care of that. Can you fit all of that into you tiny head?
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Thor: "I see your magic [b]fails you Mangog. Such is the price to pay under Loki".Loki: "... and syphoned the magics of Mangog."
No evidence my ass, tard.
If you want to pretend it never happened in YOUR world, that's fine. I have better things to do than show the obious to someone as dense as you. [/B]
And even if what you say is correct. how powerful did that leave Mangog? And what about Loki who stole a portion or unknown amount of that power? You can't take it so you want to throw around insults because no one accepts that OWAW Superman is on the levels that you claim that he is? You're a joke.
Originally posted by Stoic
What level would you give WB Hulk? Just curious hypocrite.
Pot calling the kettle black, huh?
Ok let's play the game. Oh and btw, "no one" is a lie again, some people agree with me, if you would read the posts in this thread at least you could have been correct about one thing.
To Mangog, normally he is trans level, low to mid trans. Depowered it would make sense that he droped to Herald levels, HH or MH.
WBH, shared feat and wishing well taken into account, is physically High Trans or low Skyfather, like DCnU Superman btw. Overall low Trans.
Now, what leve do YOU give:
The Probe that beat Superman and Mongul.
The Probe that beat GL Kayle Rayner, Battlearmor amped WW, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman and for the record Plasticman, with ease.
The Probe that beat 100000 Daxamites.
And OWAW Superman who was able to oneshot multiple of those Probes.
I answered your questions, time to return the favor, brah.
1. You don't have to be a liar to be incorrect which is the case in many of your Super Stupendous posts.
2, Mangog is an Odin level threat, so putting aside the usual low balling, and poor judgement skills that you often portray he is most certainly physically above High Trans if we choose not to ignore the context of his past showings against an actual Sky Father.
3. If World breaker Hulk is at that level, and was able to cause the destruction that he did with a mere in air collision, then OWAW Superman would also be at that level. Not to mention that before he ramped up to that level his internal organs registered the fortitude of being able to withstand the amount of physical trauma from a being capable of hitting with more force than 113 Hercules combined. That was when he was dressed in a suit, and in a far calmer and weaker state.
4. The Probe that beat Mongul and Superman was far below a Thanos level threat. I made mention of this in an earlier post.
5. Far weaker characters have defeated teams of equal power. Look at Lord Mar-Vell for example.
6. Again those Probes did not show anything above low Trans, which would be more than enough to deal with Wonder Woman, Plastic Man, Flash, Kyle, Aquaman and J'onn, when we consider that some of these characters have the durability of high Metas. Black Adam a mid-high herald took on worse.
I don't see World Breaker Hulk beating Odin, just like I don't see OWAW Superman beating Odin, not to mention a being that was vastly more powerful than Odin. Again, Superman and those mere mortal characters as powerful as they may be, do not actually have the tools to win against Rune King Thor. This is not hyperbole in any way, but what was actually written in those books. Superman wouldn't even be able to hurt him TBH. He was outside of the realms of Death, and Life. He even owned Loki, an actual Sky Father with the ease that Superman would own Killer Croc.
^Nice way to dodge a question. I at least was fair and answered plain and simple. So try it again. A simple level to each question I asked.
Now, what level do YOU give:
The Probe that beat Superman and Mongul.
The Probe that beat GL Kayle Rayner, Battlearmor amped WW, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman and for the record Plasticman, with ease.
The Probe that beat 100000 Daxamites.
And OWAW Superman who was able to oneshot multiple of those Probes.
Originally posted by Stoic
1. You don't have to be a liar to be incorrect which is the case in many of your Super Stupendous posts.2, Mangog is an Odin level threat, so putting aside the usual low balling, and poor judgement skills that you often portray he is most certainly physically above High Trans if we choose not to ignore the context of his past showings against an actual Sky Father.
3. If World breaker Hulk is at that level, and was able to cause the destruction that he did with a mere in air collision, then OWAW Superman would also be at that level. Not to mention that before he ramped up to that level his internal organs registered the fortitude of being able to withstand the amount of physical trauma from a being capable of hitting with more force than 113 Hercules combined. That was when he was dressed in a suit, and in a far calmer and weaker state.
4. The Probe that beat Mongul and Superman was far below a Thanos level threat. I made mention of this in an earlier post.
5. Far weaker characters have defeated teams of equal power. Look at Lord Mar-Vell for example.
6. Again those Probes did not show anything above low Trans, which would be more than enough to deal with Wonder Woman, Plastic Man, Flash, Kyle, Aquaman and J'onn, when we consider that some of these characters have the durability of high Metas. Black Adam a mid-high herald took on worse.
I don't see World Breaker Hulk beating Odin, just like I don't see OWAW Superman beating Odin, not to mention a being that was vastly more powerful than Odin. Again, Superman and those mere mortal characters as powerful as they may be, do not actually have the tools to win against Rune King Thor. This is not hyperbole in any way, but what was actually written in those books. Superman wouldn't even be able to hurt him TBH. He was outside of the realms of Death, and Life. He even owned Loki, an actual Sky Father with the ease that Superman would own Killer Croc.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
^Nice way to dodge a question. I at least was fair and answered plain and simple. So try it again. A simple level to each question I asked.Now, what level do YOU give:
The Probe that beat Superman and Mongul.
The Probe that beat GL Kayle Rayner, Battlearmor amped WW, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman and for the record Plasticman, with ease.
The Probe that beat 100000 Daxamites.
And OWAW Superman who was able to oneshot multiple of those Probes.
I didn't dodge anything you simply didn't like the answer that i gave. i also went over all of what you are still asking earlier. What makes those Daxamites any less than fodder as opposed to the Gamma Mutants on the Secret Wars Battle World, or the multitude of fodder Green, Yellow, Red, Blue, etc Lanterns that have been shown in comics? What makes them different than the multitude of fodder Wendigo's that have been shown as prop characters in comics?
I did not see any of those Probes as being any more impressive than the antiquated Ultron unit that the Hulk warped during the previous Secret War's arc. That particular Ultron was also capable of taking on teams, and winning.
And World Breaker Hulk would also be able to one shot those very same probes. I wouldn't even dare believe that WB Hulk had a minute chance against RK Thor. Then you go and spew garbage about how you know that Superman was at least 100-500 times more powerful than base because of this sundip, without the writer ever giving a solid number. Was he also 100-500 times more powerful when he stuck Darkseid on the Source wall due to being so close to the sun? At least the Hulk was actually given a number of how many Hercs his intestines could take in terms of strength and durability.
Originally posted by Stoic
I didn't dodge anything you simply didn't like the answer that i gave. i also went over all of what you are still asking earlier. What makes those Daxamites any less than fodder as opposed to the Gamma Mutants on the Secret Wars Battle World, or the multitude of fodder Green, Yellow, Red, Blue, etc Lanterns that have been shown in comics? What makes them different than the multitude of fodder Wendigo's that have been shown as prop characters in comics?I did not see any of those Probes as being any more impressive than the antiquated Ultron unit that the Hulk warped during the previous Secret War's arc. That particular Ultron was also capable of taking on teams, and winning.
And World Breaker Hulk would also be able to one shot those very same probes. I wouldn't even dare believe that WB Hulk had a minute chance against RK Thor. Then you go and spew garbage about how you know that Superman was at least 100-500 times more powerful than base because of this sundip, without the writer ever giving a solid number. Was he also 100-500 times more powerful when he stuck Darkseid on the Source wall due to being so close to the sun? At least the Hulk was actually given a number of how many Hercs his intestines could take in terms of strength and durability.
The number 100 was given to us by loeb but this is not the point, it's not me liking or disliking an answer, you didn't gave what I asked for, contrary to me. I did you the favor. So again.
Now, what level do YOU give:
1. The Probe that beat Superman and Mongul.
2. The Probe that beat GL Kayle Rayner, Battlearmor amped WW, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman and for the record Plasticman, with ease.
3. The Probe that beat 100000 Daxamites.
4. And OWAW Superman who was able to oneshot multiple of those Probes.
Wirte the level, just the level after the number, it's not that difficult.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The number 100 was given to us by loeb but this is not the point, it's not me liking or disliking an answer, you didn't gave what I asked for, contrary to me. I did you the favor. So again.Now, what level do YOU give:
1. The Probe that beat Superman and Mongul.
2. The Probe that beat GL Kayle Rayner, Battlearmor amped WW, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman and for the record Plasticman, with ease.
3. The Probe that beat 100000 Daxamites.
4. And OWAW Superman who was able to oneshot multiple of those Probes.
Wirte the level, just the level after the number, it's not that difficult.
Can you read? Serious question. Also where is this Loeb confession? And, where did you get the 500 from?