Simple. Gladiator, full confidence, has been beaten by Savage Hulk before. Glad's confidence was practically a non-issue. It just meant his powers were in full effect. BIG DEAL. Savage Hulk has beaten him. That means WWH, who is much more powerful, definitely beats Glads.
If people keep things non-WWH, it's a harder debate. But WWH is more powerful than regular Savage Hulk. That canon fact alone, even without feats, trumps any showings of the regular Savage Hulk. If Savage Hulk has beaten someone before to any degree, WWH can do better. It's fact. Savage Hulk has beaten full-confidence Gladiator before, so WWH CAN and WILL do it... better.
Originally posted by Master CourtNow tell me, how did Savage Hulk beat Glads?
Simple. Gladiator, full confidence, has been beaten by Savage Hulk before. Glad's confidence was practically a non-issue. It just meant his powers were in full effect. BIG DEAL. Savage Hulk has beaten him. That means WWH, who is much more powerful, definitely beats Glads.If people keep things non-WWH, it's a harder debate. But WWH is more powerful than regular Savage Hulk. That canon fact alone, even without feats, trumps any showings of the regular Savage Hulk. If Savage Hulk has beaten someone before to any degree, WWH can do better. It's fact. Savage Hulk has beaten full-confidence Gladiator before, so WWH CAN and WILL do it... better.
Originally posted by Mindset
Hulk won because of the reactor.
not even close. hulk dragged glad's beaten bloodied carcas along the ground THEN tossed him into the reactor as an after thought. he could have killed gladiator by simply beating him to death as glads was completely unable to defend himself at the time.
people seem to think the reactor played had a role in the outcome of that fight. the fight was over BEFORE hulk stuffed him in there.
Originally posted by leonidasYep.
not even close. hulk dragged glad's beaten bloodied carcas along the ground THEN tossed him into the reactor as an after thought. he could have killed gladiator by simply beating him to death as glads was completely unable to defend himself at the time.people seem to think the reactor played had a role in the outcome of that fight. the fight was over BEFORE hulk stuffed him in there.
Originally posted by leonidas
not even close. hulk dragged glad's beaten bloodied carcas along the ground THEN tossed him into the reactor as an after thought. he could have killed gladiator by simply beating him to death as glads was completely unable to defend himself at the time.
I know you don't like it when people cry "PIS" over something, because its usually a copout, but in this case it fits. I mean, this takes place just several months after that lame DC vs. Marvel crossover, in which the fanvote went against Hulk and so he lost to Superman. So what does Marvel do to make the Hulk fanboys happy? Toss in a random appearance by the Imperial Guard and Gladiator, Marvel's Superman, in the Hulk's '97 annual just to "show" those same fans that Hulk can beat a Superman-esque character. Even ignoring the fact that it was PIS, there were a few noticeable things:
Hulk charges Glads from behind to no discernible effect. Gladiator's only blow of the fight knocks him clear off of him and out of that panel. Glads is uninjured and brushing off the dirt on his uniform. Hulk leap-dives at Glads, again from behind, and pounds him into the ground one more time. Again, Glads doesn't seem to be fazed by it, because the next thing we see, Glads has Hulk in a bear-hug and is flying him into orbit, with Hulk marveling at Kallark's durability. That's when Hulk thunderclaps his ears...and obviously, if you have super hearing, that's going to be a major b*tch. Even so, both falling from space and surviving re-entry, it looks like Glads is the first one to get up, and definitely the first to attack, using his HV to do so....Hulk's one impressive feat to me in this fight occurs here, where he walks through the HV while being torn apart by it and places his hand over Kallark's face, causing feedback and making Gladiator flash-fry his own brain to KO himself!
So, completely neglecting forum fight rules and them fighting at peak capacity, using all their abilities such as speed (which if Kallark had done, Hulk would've been toast), etc...let's take a look at things which could have gone differently if PIS hadn't affected that fight:
Gladiator could have chosen not to grab Hulk and take him into outer space. He could have thrown him into orbit. Or punched him into orbit. Or, here's an idea, taken more than 3 seconds to do so (Hulk explains how he had about 3 seconds to do something...this from someone who regularly flies at FTL speeds). Without that, no thunderclapping his ear, no damage to Kallark.
How about The Hulk's durability in his hand being dramatically better than The Hulk's durability in his chest region? I mean, Hulk's chest was being ripped open and Hulk admitted it was killing him. Yet, he can use his hand to block it at even a closer range (right up against Glads' eyes). Come again?
Glads having the ability to...I don't know...stop his heat vision when Hulk puts his hand over his face to avoid frying his own brain with feedback? I mean, I hadn't realized that Kallark had Cyclops' problem. He forgets to stop blasting Hulk. Really? Please.
Hulk both magically knowing that Gladiator has a weakness to radiation, and then knowing exactly what type of radiation it is. 😱 Wow, Hulk's got cosmic awareness, too!
And the final piece of evidence....the fight takes place in a Hulk book! Y'know, the same books where they have Hulk KOing Hyperion with one thunderclap and physically beating a 10x stronger than average Berserk Thor.
Yes. The Gladiator/Hulk fight was highly PIS. Not only that, but it didn't even conclusively prove that Hulk was physically superior to Gladiator, even with the PIS. Anyone who has the fight available, go back and read it, then look at my analysis...Gladiator gets one punch off in the whole fight, and that punch seems to affect Hulk far more than any single blow Hulk lands. Moreover, its Gladiator who KOs himself. Etc.
Originally posted by leonidas
not even close. hulk dragged glad's beaten bloodied carcas along the ground THEN tossed him into the reactor as an after thought. he could have killed gladiator by simply beating him to death as glads was completely unable to defend himself at the time.people seem to think the reactor played had a role in the outcome of that fight. the fight was over BEFORE hulk stuffed him in there.
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i wasn't commenting on how the fight got to that point, just that once it did, the reactor played little part. in fact, it appears he flew out of the reactor--it didn't even really ko him.
i wouldn't say the fight was PIS though. glads used speed, blitz, vision, etc . . . hulk has defeated hyperion as you mentioned and his battles with thor have always been close.
can glads beat a regular hulk? sure. is it pis he didn't--not at all imo.
