Gladiator vs WW Hulk (slugfest)

Started by kgkg21 pages

Originally posted by leonidas
except glad's has nothing even CLOSE to superman's resume, especially in terms of combat speed feats and more importantly, DODGING feats. glad's fights h2h more often than not, and NOT at superspeeds, trusting his durability and strength. you can argue that's PIS. i say his most consistent feats dictate his character and that to battle the way everyone thinks he should would be CIS.
Well if you compare on average of all of Superman's battle and compare it to Gladiator I will bet you anything Gladiator has more showing of speed than Superman and better ones at that<Comparing low end speed/combat feat for both>. Of course Superman will have more amount of speed feats display especially when he is in millions more comics than Gladiator.

I don't understand why characters like Flash destroy hulk on Vs Forum but someone who has shown to be as fast <on average> can't.

Forum rules says no PIS not utilizing for the sake of story will fall in that category.

If we go by what you are saying that character been "tag" by hulk etc argument you might as well ignore speed entirely. Because Flash, Superman etc have all been getting hit/tagged by Hulk like character for years.

I mean Hulk is the same guy who had problem with Spider-Man and Surfer <without board> speed.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Quigga please.
😂

Originally posted by kgkg
Well if you compare on average of all of Superman's battle and compare it to Gladiator I will bet you anything Gladiator has more showing of speed than Superman and better ones at that<Comparing low end speed/combat feat for both>. Of course Superman will have more amount of speed feats display especially when he is in millions more comics than Gladiator.

supes has LOADS of scans where he dodges blows by hulk-like guys effortlessly and makes use of his speed far more than glad's does.

but everytime superman doesn't makes it PIS according to some. like everytime glad's doesn't use his speed in a comic it also must be PIS. when does PIS simply become his character though? it's a slippery slope . . .

flash/hulk is different. flash CONSTANTLY moves at those speeds-speeds above what hulk should be able to contend with. glad's character is to battle h2h. that's what he's always done. to suddenly fight like flash would be CIS.

again--the debate will go nowhere. if you want bto call PIS and firmly believe it IS PIS, there's really nothing to debate and makes the debate pointless.

again--can glad's win? of course. does hulk winning necessarily imply PIS? not imo because if he goes h2h as is is wont, he'd lose more often than not.

Originally posted by leonidas ❌ supes has LOADS of scans where he dodges blows by hulk-like guys effortlessly and makes use of his speed far more than glad's does.

Again I already answered this like I said if you compare on average Gladiator still has more than Superman percentage wise. Number of fights divided by dodging feats. Unless your claiming Gladiator can’t I don’t see the point is here - the getting hit by syndrome is common with all Superman type characters<name any character that is of this type and I will give you ample example of this>. Characters like Superman has been hit as much as Gladiator just cause Superman has more feats does not make it more likely for Superman to use such tactic because on average Superman gets hit a lot more than Gladiator in Hulk type battle<again if you want to get technical I can to the math for you since I have seen most battles of both these guys>. I’m not sure where the dodging argument came about but I can at least say that Gladiator has used his speed more than Superman in battle. Again it’s not in his character to not use speed is false 90% of his fight he has used super speed. It's just that he isn't consistently using it in fights like any other characters who have Super Speed.

Originally posted by leonidas but everytime superman doesn't makes it PIS according to some. like everytime glad's doesn't use his speed in a comic it also must be PIS. when does PIS simply become his character though? it's a slippery slope . . .
That’s the thing though all characters will fall into his slippery slope not just Gladiator pick any character that is their typical powers are not speed < like flash , QS> and I will bet you they have the same lack of getting hit by opponent to make a story. Heck even flash is operating at sub sound speed most of the time and is tagged constantly. But in any Flash vs Hulk- you will have argument like Hulk will never touch him. What’s so different between Flash and Gladiator when compared to Hulk’s speed? An object moving at light speed will be too much for Hulk. There are multiple scans of Hulk having problems with low sub sound guys with Speed, Gladiator is beyond light speed character.

Originally posted by leonidas flash/hulk is different. flash CONSTANTLY moves at those speeds-speeds above what hulk should be able to contend with. glad's character is to battle h2h. that's what he's always done. to suddenly fight like flash would be CIS.

Point was he is constantly tagged also. Of course a character who’s main power is speed will tend to use it more than someone who has wide array of powers. Flash is constantly hit similar to Gladiator by the way. So why is it fair to say Hulk will never tag flash? but he can keep up with Gladiator. There is a problem there.

Originally posted by leonidas again--the debate will go nowhere. if you want bto call PIS and firmly believe it IS PIS, there's really nothing to debate and makes the debate pointless.

Gladiator not using his speed is the definition of PIS. I'm fine with using comics to gauge how Hulk will preform against other characters but I was certain that a character not using Speed in battle was part of PIS at least that what everyone was saying in Flash , Superman etc debates when I tried to use the other approach.

Hulk will always hit superman like characters in comics that you can't deny. 😉 It's just becomes really stupid when he has problems with like of Quicksilver and Spider-man and not even speed of sound -.-

out of curiosity how do you see Superman vs WWHulk fight?

Leonidas made a point to bring up the Hulk attempted BFR being similar to the BFR into space that Gladiator performed on Supreme.

I think that's a great comparison. And it shows what utter PIS the Hulk Annual was. If he can BFR Supreme, a FTL character with nanosecond reaction speeds, into space before Supreme can react, then he could have damn sure done so to the Hulk before Hulk had a chance to even think about thunderclapping.

Glads current speed feats is uber. More than enough time for him to BFR Hulk.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Quigga please. I'm not ignoring the fight at all. By rule and premise of forum battles we don't just take into consideration the outcome of on panel fights in a story. These threads aren't re-enactments of stories. On panel fights count as feats, granted, however, we still must take into consideration the circumstances of the fight, a character's standing in similar situations, what a character is capable of as a whole, etc., because here on KMC the battles are not plot driven, which on panel battle outcomes unilaterally are.

Though I'm actually not surprised you can't grasp that concept.

Then feel free to give examples of what Gladiator is capable of. It seems ludicrous that we ignore their one and only fight even though Gladiator was out to kill him.

I grasp that this isn't cbr where it's powerset vs. powerset here. Pis is an excuse to ignore the comics.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Leonidas made a point to bring up the Hulk attempted BFR being similar to the BFR into space that Gladiator performed on Supreme.

I think that's a great comparison. And it shows what utter PIS the Hulk Annual was. If he can BFR Supreme, a FTL character with nanosecond reaction speeds, into space before Supreme can react, then he could have damn sure done so to the Hulk before Hulk had a chance to even think about thunderclapping.

Is that even canon?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Is that even canon?

To both Marvel and Image, yes.

Just like the Hulk vs. Pitt crossover.

Originally posted by Enyalus
To both Marvel and Image, yes.

Just like the Hulk vs. Pitt crossover.

How so?

Originally posted by quanchi112
How so?

I don't get your question.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't get your question.
When was this referenced? Bio, comic, etc.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When was this referenced? Bio, comic, etc.

At the back of one of the last Supreme comics (prior to Moore's reboot) and an OHOTMU entry in 2008 I think. I'll see if I can find it, if you need it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then feel free to give examples of what Gladiator is capable of. It seems ludicrous that we ignore their one and only fight even though Gladiator was out to kill him.

I grasp that this isn't cbr where it's powerset vs. powerset here. Pis is an excuse to ignore the comics.

well according to this.

lot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman

It's Ok to ignore 95% of Flash comic books in VS forums. I don't see how that is any different for Gladiator.

Has Hulk shown problem with Speed? Yes many times
Has Gladiator shown speed to be faster than his opponent? Yes

If that does is not PIS I don't know what is.

Originally posted by Enyalus
At the back of one of the last Supreme comics (prior to Moore's reboot) and an OHOTMU entry in 2008 I think. I'll see if I can find it, if you need it.
I'd like that. Pm it to me.

Originally posted by kgkg
well according to this.

It's Ok to ignore 95% of Flash comic books in VS forums. I don't see how that is any different for Gladiator.

Has Hulk shown problem with Speed? Yes many times
Has Gladiator shown speed to be faster than his opponent? Yes

If that does is not PIS I don't know what is.

When has Gladiator ever fought an entire fight running laps around his opponents. He uses it here and there, but I have never seen him use it in such a manner to make his opponent appear like a statue during an entire fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Gladiator ever fought an entire fight running laps around his opponents. He uses it here and there, but I have never seen him use it in such a manner to make his opponent appear like a statue during an entire fight.
Isn't that why this is PIS?
That falls into this rule.
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before

Unless you are claiming that Gladiator can only use speed for a brief period of time which is clearly not the case in comics.Him not using his speed = PIS.

ugh3

Yup.

In slug fest WWH (although Gladiator could match him, but would ultimately lose), overall Gladiator should take him.