Originally posted by leonidasNo, what i am saying is that if you base the outcome of a fight using a comicbook that the writers decide who will win is no-good. There is no way in hell that any hulk will beat the likes of Superman, Captain Marvel, Gladiator, WonderWoman, Supreme and other multiply powered character... Everytime Marvel sends hulk head first to DC, Superman sends him back feet first.... I can write a book about an Altima outrunning a corvette all day... but if i put them on a track, the vette wins every time.... Hulk does not have the powerset to compete with any of the ones i named, he will NEVER see them on KMC... In the comics, he will tag them to make a story and sell books... Whats to stop gladiator, superman or supreme from hovering over hulk and roasting him??? The writers......... It is WELL within any i named to put hulk into orbit without ever being hit.... That would be boring in the comics, but on here, the fighters are peak and will use every bit of their powerset to win, be it BFR, roasting from a distance or near lightspeed space trip.
so, let me get this straight--you're saying that hulk--a character who has more strength feats and more high end feats than nearly any marvel character--beating gladiator--a character who is among the most INCONSISTENTLY portrayed characters in marvel, who has been pushed by COLOSSUS--is in the same class as spidey beating firelord? 😑hmmmm . . .
you wanna claim hulk beating glads was pis, that's your perogative. looking back at hulk's past records against charaters like thor, juggernaut, hercules, black bolt, the x-men, etc . . . i don't find it difficult to believe in the slightest.
spidey's past record against heralds--a little more sketchy . . .
Originally posted by james2099
No, what i am saying is that if you base the outcome of a fight using a comicbook that the writers decide who will win is no-good. There is no way in hell that any hulk will beat the likes of Superman, Captain Marvel, Gladiator, WonderWoman, Supreme and other multiply powered character... Everytime Marvel sends hulk head first to DC, Superman sends him back feet first.... I can write a book about an Altima outrunning a corvette all day... but if i put them on a track, the vette wins every time.... Hulk does not have the powerset to compete with any of the ones i named, he will NEVER see them on KMC... In the comics, he will tag them to make a story and sell books... Whats to stop gladiator, superman or supreme from hovering over hulk and roasting him??? The writers......... It is WELL within any i named to put hulk into orbit without ever being hit.... That would be boring in the comics, but on here, the fighters are peak and will use every bit of their powerset to win, be it BFR, roasting from a distance or near lightspeed space trip.
glads tried speed in the first fight, never made it to space. he tried vision and burned a hole in hulk but his healing factor is too good.
scream pis all you'd like though, in general, when someone cries pis, my work is finished. 😉
Originally posted by tkitnaYes Gladiator said that they are to evenly matched and that a direct battled could last for years. The only reason why Supreme has a better start was that he was more on the offensive side, while Gladiator was trying to save people. When he realized that the battle can destroy Gladiator was serious while Supreme was going all out.
Wasnt it said in that book that they could have fought for years before one of them would have won?I have the book but dont feel like searching for it.
As for those claiming Supreme owned him is hardly the truth when Gladiator took him to space they were pretty much even.
Originally posted by leonidasAll that happened in a CONTROLLED comic??? WOW!!! Tell me this, how did WWH lose in the comics?? What way did the writers HAVE him lose?
glads tried speed in the first fight, never made it to space. he tried vision and burned a hole in hulk but his healing factor is too good.scream pis all you'd like though, in general, when someone cries pis, my work is finished. 😉
Hulk has always done well with speedsters that have many other powers as well. But Why do some people claim that Hulk can beat "said" characters because he has done so in comics. In other Vs matches against other characters he gets Speed blitz and he is to slow to hit the other characters.
For example In the thread called Flash vs Hulk - You will have over 90% of this forum claiming Hulk won't touch Flash.
People should stick with one story. Hulk will always hit Superman "like" characters in comic no matter how fast they are.
That said
Full Confidence Gladiator wins.
In an actual comic story and how WWH was portrayed I don't see many characters beating that Hulk in a slugfest including Gladiator
Originally posted by leonidas
glads tried speed in the first fight, never made it to space. he tried vision and burned a hole in hulk but his healing factor is too good.scream pis all you'd like though, in general, when someone cries pis, my work is finished. 😉
By rights Gladiator should be able to burn Hulk to the bone almost instantly. His heat vision is as hot as the sun. Hulk is not in the same class as Super Man, Surfer, Wonder Woman and even Thor.
Hulk is strong, but he is in with people like Hurcules etc. Hulks like of flight hurt him.
Originally posted by leonidasI'm still stubborn as hell. Just go ahead and disagree with me I dare you. 😛
meh. i was gone for a couple months AND it seems to me you've become a better debater, more open to others' opinions. i think that's cool. 👆
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing😂
Yeah, eat that. What? You don't like it?
Originally posted by quanchi112
How?
How?
I would believe knocking the Hulk out would do the trick.
A non jobbing Gladiator, can collapse Stars, pulverize planets, has practically limitless strength, is durable and powerful enough to contain a Supernova (As I recall), has surprising amazing combat speed etc. and I do not recall it being stated that those are the limits of his power. At Full Confidence, if that is possible, Gladiator would be nigh unstoppable. A bonus is that unlike the Sentry, Gladiator has no human form too turn into.
Gladiator doesn't have to be at Full Confidence to win this fight. Although he is, and I believe he has sufficient power to win.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAre you from cbr? You seem to debate like someone from cbr.
How?I would believe knocking the Hulk out would do the trick.
A non jobbing Gladiator, can collapse Stars, pulverize planets, has practically limitless strength, is durable and powerful enough to contain a Supernova (As I recall), has surprising amazing combat speed etc. and I do not recall it being stated that those are the limits of his power. At Full Confidence, if that is possible, Gladiator would be nigh unstoppable. A bonus is that unlike the Sentry, Gladiator has no human form too turn into.
Gladiator doesn't have to be at Full Confidence to win this fight. Although he is, and I believe he has sufficient power to win.
Glads had his chance against a much weaker, dumber Hulk and couldn't do the trick. Glads didn't job in the arc either.
His feats are impressive, but then again so are the Hulk's. We also don't ignore matchups of certain characters to sell a victory.
Gladiator can and has been stopped time and time again.
This Hulk easily healed from a broken neck almost instantly when his full powers returned. Glads isn't knocking this Hulk out.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you from cbr? You seem to debate like someone from cbr.Glads had his chance against a much weaker, dumber Hulk and couldn't do the trick. Glads didn't job in the arc either.
His feats are impressive, but then again so are the Hulk's. We also don't ignore matchups of certain characters to sell a victory.
Gladiator is very stoppable.
This Hulk easily healed from a broken neck almost instantly when his full powers returned. Glads isn't knocking this Hulk out.
What is "cbr"?
Did I not say a non jobbing Gladiator?
He isn't jobbing here like he clearly jobbed in that fight with Hulk.
His power fluctuates a lot. He goes from just above Colossus, to a Hulk level being, to an unstoppable force. Most toss it up to his confidence level which I find is just a convenient excuse for writers to job Gladiator.
We are using, the characters at their optimum, which was World War Hulk against Sentry and Gladiator at the impressive levels we have seen him.
A non jobbing Gladiator, has practically limitless strength, and would be nigh unstoppable.
So he has an amazing healing factor. That doesn't mean he can't be knocked out. Sentry stalemated him, and satellites put down World Breaker Hulk. His durability isn't impressive at all it's his healing factor. Sufficient force can obviously put him down, and Gladiator can collapse Stars etc.
People believe Superman can put him down, and Sentry stalemated him, but that level of strength can't put him down?
Whatever....
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHe didn't job at all. he tried bfring him, but that didn't work. Glads tried hving his heart, but that didn't work either.
What is "cbr"?Did I not say a non jobbing Gladiator?
He isn't jobbing here like he clearly jobbed in that fight with Hulk.
His power fluctuates a lot. He goes from just above Colossus, to a Hulk level being, to an unstoppable force. Most toss it up to his confidence level which I find is just a convenient excuse for writers to job Gladiator.
We are using, the characters at their optimum, which was World War Hulk against Sentry and Gladiator at the impressive levels we have seen him.
A non jobbing Gladiator, has practically limitless strength, and would be nigh unstoppable.
So he has an amazing healing factor. That doesn't mean he can't be knocked out. Sentry stalemated him, and satellites put down World Breaker Hulk. His durability isn't impressive at all it's his healing factor. Sufficient force can obviously put him down, and Gladiator can collapse Stars etc.
People believe Superman can put him down, and Sentry stalemated him, but that level of strength can't put him down?
Whatever....
Hulk has limitless strength not Gladiator. He has a cap while the Hulk's cap depends on his anger.
Sentry unleashed his power like never before and that didn't beat him. Sentry not holding back embarrassed Terrax and was stalemating genis.
I don't think any of these guys can put him down due to hitting them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't job at all. he tried bfring him, but that didn't work. Glads tried hving his heart, but that didn't work either.Hulk has limitless strength not Gladiator. He has a cap while the Hulk's cap depends on his anger.
Sentry unleashed his power like never before and that didn't beat him. Sentry not holding back embarrassed Terrax and was stalemating genis.
I don't think any of these guys can put him down due to hitting them.
He wasn't jobbing in the fight with Hulk?
Are you serious?
His speed, strength, durability, heat vision, were clearly not at the levels he has shown they can be and he was jobbing. That's just how the way Gladiator's power fluctuates. It's blamed on his confidence.
Hulk has potential for near limitless strength, but apparently so does Gladiator. Who says he has a cap? We've seen his strength sky rocket at times. It really is based on his believe and confidence. It might be his greatest weakness but it's also his greatest strength as his power is nigh limitless as a result. It's as if, as long as he believes, and is confident, he can achieve his goals. It's just unlike Hulk, Gladiator has a smaller ladder to climb.
Sentry unleashing his raw strength, stalemated World War Hulk. Sentry stalemating Photon, and stomping Terrax (Which doesn't really matter as Terrax is a jobber and he didn't even have his original Axe as I recall.) to an extent, doesn't really reflect on Hulk at all. Like Gladiator, Sentry's power fluctuates greatly from story to story as well, because like Gladiator he has a convenient plot device that can explain the fluctuation. His mental stability.
You might not think they can put him down, by hitting him for some reason, but I like a lot of people do, as we have seen even his strongest incarnation, World Breaker Hulk can be put down if sufficient force is exerted. He isn't incredibly durable, he just heals fast.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNo, he wasn't. he just flat out lost.
He wasn't jobbing in the fight with Hulk?Are you serious?
His speed, strength, durability, heat vision, were clearly not at the levels he has shown they can be and he was jobbing. That's just how the way Gladiator's power fluctuates. It's blamed on his confidence.
Hulk has potential for near limitless strength, but apparently so does Gladiator. Who says he has a cap? We've seen his strength sky rocket at times. It really is based on his believe and confidence. It might be his greatest weakness but it's also his greatest strength as his power is nigh limitless as a result. It's as if, as long as he believes, and is confident, he can achieve his goals. It's just unlike Hulk, Gladiator has a smaller ladder to climb.
Sentry unleashing his raw strength, stalemated World War Hulk. Sentry stalemating Photon, and stomping Terrax (Which doesn't really matter as Terrax is a jobber and he didn't even have his original Axe as I recall.) to an extent, doesn't really reflect on Hulk at all. Like Gladiator, Sentry's power fluctuates greatly from story to story as well, because like Gladiator he has a convenient plot device that can explain the fluctuation. His mental stability.
You might not think they can put him down, by hitting him for some reason, but I like a lot of people do, as we have seen even his strongest incarnation, World Breaker Hulk can be put down if sufficient force is exerted. He isn't incredibly durable, he just heals fast.
When he has hv ever looked more impressive when it hit someone?
When was his confidence ever brought up in this issue? Scans?
Dude, I have seen Masterson Thor get the better of Glads before so please don't act like this guy is so above Hulk let alone in the same league as WW Hulk. Hulk beat Glads anyways. You can ignore the comics, but at the end of the day they support my views and not yours.
WB was defeated by a plot device. He also wanted to be put down. 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he wasn't. he just flat out lost.When he has hv ever looked more impressive when it hit someone?
When was his confidence ever brought up in this issue? Scans?
Dude, I have seen Masterson Thor get the better of Glads before so please don't act like this guy is so above Hulk let alone in the same league as WW Hulk. Hulk beat Glads anyways. You can ignore the comics, but at the end of the day they support my views and not yours.
WB was defeated by a plot device. He also wanted to be put down. 😬
Yes he lost, because he wasn't operating at levels below what he has shown. He jobbed.
Have you not been reading my posts?
I clearly said, Gladiator fluctuates a lot in terms of power. Masterson and his PIS living lightning stunt, doesn't change that Gladiator jobs and loses because his power fluctuates a lot.
What is wrong with you?
He can pulverize planets, collapse Stars, contain a Supernova without a singed here, move over a hundred times faster than light, and do all these not at his limit or close to it, from what I've seen, and you're telling me he isn't even on the level of World War Hulk when the likes of Sentry stalemated him, and a bunch of satellites put him down (Just wanting to be put down, doesn't decrease his durability or healing factor as I understnad.)etc.
You just don't get it. We use characters at Full Capacity on these boards, and we don't use jobbing and PIS showings. Based on those rules, Gladiator can collapse Stars, meaning he has more than the sufficient strength, to put down World War Hulk.
I'm done with this. Not going to waste my time with you anymore.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSo concession accepted on his confidence being an issue in the Hulk annual. I read it and knew it anyways.
Yes he lost, because he wasn't operating at levels below what he has shown. He jobbed.Have you not been reading my posts?
I clearly said, Gladiator fluctuates a lot in terms of power. Masterson and his PIS living lightning stunt, doesn't change that Gladiator jobs and loses because his power fluctuates a lot.
What is wrong with you?
He can pulverize planets, collapse Stars, contain a Supernova without a singed here, move over a hundred times faster than light, and do all these not at his limit or close to it, from what I've seen, and you're telling me he isn't even on the level of World War Hulk when the likes of Sentry stalemated him, and a bunch of satellites put him down (Just wanting to be put down, doesn't decrease his durability or healing factor as I understnad.)etc.
You just don't get it. We use characters at Full Capacity on these boards, and we don't use jobbing and PIS showings. Based on those rules, Gladiator can collapse Stars, meaning he has more than the sufficient strength, to put down World War Hulk.
I'm done with this. Not going to waste my time with you anymore.
His confidence is an issue only when it is mentioned as an issue.
I'm just saying any way you look at it Hulk wins.
He is stronger, his power grows with rage, his healing ability is off the charts, he has beaten Glads before, etc.
Sure, he has impressive feats but WW Hulk took on an all out Sentry who while holding back also creamed a planet smasher known as Terrax.
You seem obsessed with his feats while turning a blind eye to their confrontation.
Glads was at full capacity when battling the Hulk.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So concession accepted on his confidence being an issue in the Hulk annual. I read it and knew it anyways.His confidence is an issue only when it is mentioned as an issue.
I'm just saying any way you look at it Hulk wins.
He is stronger, his power grows with rage, his healing ability is off the charts, he has beaten Glads before, etc.
Sure, he has impressive feats but WW Hulk took on an all out Sentry who while holding back also creamed a planet smasher known as Terrax.
You seem obsessed with his feats while turning a blind eye to their confrontation.
Glads was at full capacity when battling the Hulk.
His confidence is only an issue when mentioned?
It doesn't have to be mentioned because it's obviously always an issue. It's always in play. When Colossus stalemated and Gladiator won painfully, his confidence wasn't mentioned, but it was obviously in play. That's what they use to explain all of Gladiator's jobbing.
There is no concession. It's just plain obvious, to the point I let it go.
Again you use Sentry. Sentry fluctuates just as much as Gladiator does. That's why it's faulty to use Sentry as a comparison in my opinion. He goes from failing to stop a Hellicarrier, to stalemating World War Hulk to stomping Terrax. Either way, stomping Terrax is no big deal, seeing how much of a jobber he is, and his connection to the planets is the greatest reason for some of his higher power out putting feats than anything else. Terrax jobbed to Sentry, which isn't a big deal at all.
Hulk stronger? He has a long way to go, before that happens. Gladiator can collapse Stars with his bare strength. If Superman ever did that, he would be considered a God even more so than he is now and be said to reach Silver Age levels.
I'm not turning a blind eye. I'm simply using him at his peak like we should, while you keep bringing up a showing where he jobbed and was obviously not at peak levels or anywhere close.
Can you actually say with a straight face, that Gladiator who fought Hulk could collapse Stars, contain a Supernova etc?
I give up. You're hopeless.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusGladiator and colossus is completely different. Glads wasn't jobbing he lost. he fought with intelligence and with a sense of bloodlust. It wasn't enough.
His confidence is only an issue when mentioned?It doesn't have to be mentioned because it's obviously always an issue. It's always in play. When Colossus stalemated and Gladiator won painfully, his confidence wasn't mentioned, but it was obviously in play. That's what they use to explain all of Gladiator's jobbing.
There is no concession. It's just plain obvious, to the point I let it go.
Again you use Sentry. Sentry fluctuates just as much as Gladiator does. That's why it's faulty to use Sentry as a comparison in my opinion. He goes from failing to stop a Hellicarrier, to stalemating World War Hulk to stomping Terrax. Either way, stomping Terrax is no big deal, seeing how much of a jobber he is, and his connection to the planets is the greatest reason for some of his higher power out putting feats than anything else. Terrax jobbed to Sentry, which isn't a big deal at all.
Hulk stronger? He has a long way to go, before that happens. Gladiator can collapse Stars with his bare strength. If Superman ever did that, he would be considered a God even more so than he is now and be said to reach Silver Age levels.
I'm not turning a blind eye. I'm simply using him at his peak like we should, while you keep bringing up a showing where he jobbed and was obviously not at peak levels or anywhere close.
Can you actually say with a straight face, that Gladiator who fought Hulk could collapse Stars, contain a Supernova etc?
I give up. You're hopeless.
Sentry went all out. Sure, his power fluctuates but they made it a point to say he unleashed more power than ever before.
The point is just because you destroy a planet that in and of itself isn't a valid reason to dismiss their only encounter in comics and justify Glads somehow winning based purely on that and that alone.
This is WW Hulk so at his base levels he is much stronger imo. Hulk kinda showed his strength off against Glads already at much weaker levels.
You are basing this off of feats. Can't you see that you're wrong?