Originally posted by Battlehammeryeah i know...i just wanted to point out the way you worded your initial statement it made it sound like gladiator was completely dependant on confidence for his powers...which is not the case
Not sure I mean I assume he has a base level. It never been shown how weak he can become from lack of confidence. The more confident he is the powerful he becomes.
even without confidence, he is a powerful herald...with confidence, he can amp his attributes
Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah i know...i just wanted to point out the way you worded your initial statement it made it sound like gladiator was completely dependant on confidence for his powers...which is not the caseeven without confidence, he is a powerful herald...with confidence, he can amp his attributes
not sure how powerful I mean he got wrecked by cassandra nova and I don't think she was herald or even that closes at the time. She simply used her telepthy to destroy his confidence if I remeber correctly
Originally posted by Battlehammer
not sure how powerful I mean he got wrecked by cassandra nova and I don't think she was herald or even that closes at the time. She simply used her telepthy to destroy his confidence if I remeber correctly
Easily one of the most powerful psychics out there. And able to reform her body at will, since she basically exists as pure malicious energy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he is. The fact you question that makes me question you as a poster.Glads has low showings what can I say. I think Hulk and colossus are completely different showings. Hulk can compete with the Gladiator it's obvious. He has competed with Thor before who is much more powerful than Gladiator.
So he used more power than ever before and it failed to put down a calm WW Hulk. Yet, when holding back he ran off Terrax.
You are saying Glads has limitless strength when he doesn't. Hulk has limitless strength not Gladiator. It's like you don't know who the Hulk is.
Jobbing is an excuse fanboys use when their character loses. it happens and he wasn't jobbing he lost. Deal.
At base?
Dude, do you know what level Green Scar's initial base strength was? He started out weaker than Savage Hulk was.
Like I said, Sentry is inconsistent due to his mental state just like Gladiator because of his confidence. Gladiator can collapse Stars and it's not his peak, yet when pushing himself he can only barely beat Colossus. Like I said his power fluctuates, and he jobs a lot just like Sentry does.
Gladiator has nigh limitless strength as was stated. Hulk also has the potential for near limitless strength. Each have shown the ability to reach levels beyond their previous limits. We can't prove either as how can you quantify or be near/reach limitless. I'd bet my right foot it's not true for either. They're power sets are close. Hulk's strength is anger driven and Gladiator's is confidence driven. It's all about their mental state that determines both their levels of power. I have every Hulk issue published. I know very well who Hulk is.
It's great that I'm not a fanboy then.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeTypical. You claim the scientists were wrong with what proof? You seem to simply dismiss what you don't like and that is a horrible debating tactic.
Despite some clearly incompetent scientists' claim that the asteroid was twice the size as earth, it clearly doesn't make sense, does it? Hulk was completely calm, let's not deal with the fact that he only needed to fly up there, and yet it only took half a smash. It wasn't even a smash, he was rocketed at the asteroid oddly enough, and the entire asteroid exploded into stone. Nothing but stone.You need to learn how to differ between stupid feats and unquantifiable feats.
Originally posted by james2099I disagree. He surpassed him when he took on onslaught, ww hulk mode, when he destroyed the asteroid twice the size of earth while supes got ko'd by a moon going much faster.
There has never in the history of ANY comicbook that any hulk has ever surpassed superman in strength.... Hulk does NOT have limitless strength.... there is no limit to how strong he can get if he can reach limitless anger..WHICH HE CANNOT... NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL... gladiator has near limitless strength at base... You have never seen a full confidence gladiator and you sure as hell will NEVER see a limitless strength hulk... you cannot put a limit on hulks strength because it increases as he angers... His anger has a limit but it has not been reached but once.. his azz fell out from anger because his mind shut down. Gladiator gets stronger the more he sets his mind to something. Hulk can only be so mad, there is NO limitless anger, he cannot get madder and madder forever. The uppermost limit of gladiators strength is unknown because it is tied to his willpower which is greater than anger. There has never been any hulk that has surpassed Kurse in strength... WWH is not now or ever will be 4 times stronger than thor.
Hulk is stronger than Superman at his best. At his base level it's close.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWe are discussing ww Hulk not the weakened hulk during planet hulk. No wonder you seem so confused.
At base?Dude, do you know what level Green Scar's initial base strength was? He started out weaker than Savage Hulk was.
Like I said, Sentry is inconsistent due to his mental state just like Gladiator because of his confidence. Gladiator can collapse Stars and it's not his peak, yet when pushing himself he can only barely beat Colossus. Like I said his power fluctuates, and he jobs a lot just like Sentry does.
Gladiator has nigh limitless strength as was stated. Hulk also has the potential for near limitless strength. Each have shown the ability to reach levels beyond their previous limits. We can't prove either as how can you quantify or be near/reach limitless. I'd bet my right foot it's not true for either. They're power sets are close. Hulk's strength is anger driven and Gladiator's is confidence driven. It's all about their mental state that determines both their levels of power. I have every Hulk issue published. I know very well who Hulk is.
It's great that I'm not a fanboy then.
Sentry was a powerhouse and was written to be so against the WW Hulk. We are talking about how he was written in that arc, not in any other.
Gladiator has limits while Hulk has more than proven he is stronger than Thor. Glads has been sent home with his ass handed to him claiming Thor was too strong for him. Hulk has also handed Gladiator his ass. This is a much smarter, stronger, capable WW Hulk.
WW Hulk 10 of 10.
Originally posted by quanchi112When hulk was thrown into that asteroid it was a durability feat, abomination, A-Bomb, Juggernaut and plenty others could have done the same thing. WWH could not even beat juggernaut, or sentry and was toasted from above by MAN. Thor has ALWAYS reframed from roasting hulk, superman has always beaten hulk and always will. You think that ANY hulk can get mad enough to take on Superman prime??? They can be mad for 1000 years and prime will kill them all in the blink of an eye. Hulk in any form cannot compete with people who are just as strong or stronger than him plus have range attacks that has nearly killed him before, plus they move at lightspeed and are skilled fighters... The only thing keeping most of them from killing off people like hulk, abomination, thing, sasquatch, blob and other one power ponys is the writer. Hulk is good... Hulk is strong.... But against people like Gladiator, Superman and Thor..... Hulk is done.
Typical. You claim the scientists were wrong with what proof? You seem to simply dismiss what you don't like and that is a horrible debating tactic. I disagree. He surpassed him when he took on onslaught, ww hulk mode, when he destroyed the asteroid twice the size of earth while supes got ko'd by a moon going much faster.Hulk is stronger than Superman at his best. At his base level it's close.
Originally posted by quanchi112If Gladiator was allowed to win by the writers, thor and hulk would have been killed.... Do you think the writers were going to do that. In both cases, Gladiator was hindered before he killed them. Gladiator cannot beat the writers... There are no writers on KMC. No storyline... Just fighters at there best.... Going all out.... NOTHING TO STOP THEM FROM USING ALL THEIR POWERS TO THE FULLEST.
We are discussing ww Hulk not the weakened hulk during planet hulk. No wonder you seem so confused.Sentry was a powerhouse and was written to be so against the WW Hulk. We are talking about how he was written in that arc, not in any other.
Gladiator has limits while Hulk has more than proven he is stronger than Thor. Glads has been sent home with his ass handed to him claiming Thor was too strong for him. Hulk has also handed Gladiator his ass. This is a much smarter, stronger, capable WW Hulk.
WW Hulk 10 of 10.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
What the hell are you on about now, son?There's hardly any difference between Hulk and Gladiator's powers. Gladiator's powers are belief-driven, and Hulk's powers are anger-driven. You can't claim that one is endless, where as the other isn't.
I never claimed that either was limitless, as that is just plain ridiculous. And having "DA UNLIMITED STRENGTHZ!" doesn't mean he'll beat anyone without.
m'man, i'll agree with you on one point--there is a clear similarity in their powerset. both are driven by emotion.
however--I NEVER CLAIMED EITHER WAS ENDLESS. you have me confused with someone else methinks. i just said that anger might be a more constant, easily sustained emotion. confidence can be shaken easily. knowing hulk has already beaten the snot out of him, and now facing an even stronger, faster healing version doesn't SEEM like it would exactly INSPIRE glads' confidence however.
and of course just being stronger doesn't necessarily mean he'd win. having a nearly instantaneously quick healing factor, having this match stipulated as purely h2h and being stronger than he has EVER been however, does.
Originally posted by james2099No, it wasn't. Unless you are prepared to say Hulk is more durable than Superman? I know I am not.
When hulk was thrown into that asteroid it was a durability feat, abomination, A-Bomb, Juggernaut and plenty others could have done the same thing. WWH could not even beat juggernaut, or sentry and was toasted from above by MAN. Thor has ALWAYS reframed from roasting hulk, superman has always beaten hulk and always will. You think that ANY hulk can get mad enough to take on Superman prime??? They can be mad for 1000 years and prime will kill them all in the blink of an eye. Hulk in any form cannot compete with people who are just as strong or stronger than him plus have range attacks that has nearly killed him before, plus they move at lightspeed and are skilled fighters... The only thing keeping most of them from killing off people like hulk, abomination, thing, sasquatch, blob and other one power ponys is the writer. Hulk is good... Hulk is strong.... But against people like Gladiator, Superman and Thor..... Hulk is done.
WW Hulk did defeat Juggs while I don't think that Superman/Gladiator could have replicated holding the Juggernaut off as easily as Hulk did so.
Thor has went all out before and their matchups are usually pretty evenly matched mainly due to Thor brawling and engaging him up close.
Supes has never beat him in a canon comic so?
Originally posted by james2099We debate based on what the writers give us not how we see the matchups based purely in our minds.
If Gladiator was allowed to win by the writers, thor and hulk would have been killed.... Do you think the writers were going to do that. In both cases, Gladiator was hindered before he killed them. Gladiator cannot beat the writers... There are no writers on KMC. No storyline... Just fighters at there best.... Going all out.... NOTHING TO STOP THEM FROM USING ALL THEIR POWERS TO THE FULLEST.
Hulk wins this and quickly.