Originally posted by quanchi112
Gladiator and colossus is completely different. Glads wasn't jobbing he lost. he fought with intelligence and with a sense of bloodlust. It wasn't enough.Sentry went all out. Sure, his power fluctuates but they made it a point to say he unleashed more power than ever before.
The point is just because you destroy a planet that in and of itself isn't a valid reason to dismiss their only encounter in comics and justify Glads somehow winning based purely on that and that alone.
This is WW Hulk so at his base levels he is much stronger imo. Hulk kinda showed his strength off against Glads already at much weaker levels.
You are basing this off of feats. Can't you see that you're wrong?
World War Hulk is much stronger at base than Gladiator?
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How is Gladiator and Colossus completely different?
Dude, you said if the confidence is not mentioned it's not in play which is obvious bull. Just like the fight with Colossus, the confidence wasn't mentioned. So he was fighting at peak levels then as well?
That's the thing though, it said Sentry was finally unleashing his power. They have said that before World War Hulk, and they have said it after. All those times, his fluctuated. His unleashed more power when he is holding back then when he fought World War Hulk. He fluctuates just like Gladiator.
I'm not basing this on one feat. I'm basing him on various feats, such as having limitless strength, capable of pulverizing planets, capable of collapsing Stars etc.
If the Hulk fought Gladiator at the levels he was shown in that annual, then yes, he would win obviously, but we aren't using Gladiator when he is jobbing. We are using Gladiator at Full Confidence, who has unleashed power beyond what World War Hulk has shown when not at Full Confidence.
We use the characters at their peak, on these boards. At their best, not when they job etc.
"Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels."
What don't you get?
Dear god!'
Me basing this off feats is wrong but you basing you're opinion on fights where Gladiator is jobbing and not performing at his peak shown levels is right?
You're so full of it, it's ridiculous....
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYes, he is. The fact you question that makes me question you as a poster.
World War Hulk is much stronger at base than Gladiator?facepalm
How is Gladiator and Colossus completely different?
Dude, you said if the confidence is not mentioned it's not in play which is obvious bull. Just like the fight with Colossus, the confidence wasn't mentioned. So he was fighting at peak levels then as well?
That's the thing though, it said Sentry was finally unleashing his power. They have said that before World War Hulk, and they have said it after. All those times, his fluctuated. His unleashed more power when he is holding back then when he fought World War Hulk. He fluctuates just like Gladiator.
I'm not basing this on one feat. I'm basing him on various feats, such as having limitless strength, capable of pulverizing planets, capable of collapsing Stars etc.
If the Hulk fought Gladiator at the levels he was shown in that annual, then yes, he would win obviously, but we aren't using Gladiator when he is jobbing. We are using Gladiator at Full Confidence, who has unleashed power beyond what World War Hulk has shown when not at Full Confidence.
We use the characters at their peak, on these boards. At their best, not when they job etc.
"Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels."What don't you get?
Dear god!'
Me basing this off feats is wrong but you basing you're opinion on fights where Gladiator is jobbing and not performing at his peak shown levels is right?
You're so full of it, it's ridiculous....
Glads has low showings what can I say. I think Hulk and colossus are completely different showings. Hulk can compete with the Gladiator it's obvious. He has competed with Thor before who is much more powerful than Gladiator.
So he used more power than ever before and it failed to put down a calm WW Hulk. Yet, when holding back he ran off Terrax.
You are saying Glads has limitless strength when he doesn't. Hulk has limitless strength not Gladiator. It's like you don't know who the Hulk is.
Jobbing is an excuse fanboys use when their character loses. it happens and he wasn't jobbing he lost. Deal.
where are you getting the 'collpasing stars' and 'limitless strength' things . . .? 😕
a WEAKER version of hulk has actually shaken an entire DIMENSION, punched through time and smashed--in a SINGLE blow--an asteroid much larger than earth. wwh was said on numerous occasions to be the STRONGEST version of the hulk. ever.
Originally posted by leonidasI have never heard in my life from anyone on any board that Glads has limitless strength and that he is much stronger than WW Hulk. It's so absurd it's not even funny.
where are you getting the 'collpasing stars' and 'limitless strength' things . . .? 😕a WEAKER version of hulk has actually shaken an entire DIMENSION, punched through time and smashed--in a SINGLE blow--an asteroid much larger than earth. wwh was said on numerous occasions to be the STRONGEST version of the hulk. ever.
Originally posted by leonidas
where are you getting the 'collpasing stars' and 'limitless strength' things . . .? 😕a WEAKER version of hulk has actually shaken an entire DIMENSION, punched through time and smashed--in a SINGLE blow--an asteroid much larger than earth. wwh was said on numerous occasions to be the STRONGEST version of the hulk. ever.
We're using the asteroid feat now?
Long way to fall from the top apparently, and evidently, pretty far when you're a couple of steps below.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
We're using the asteroid feat now?Long way to fall from the top apparently, and evidently, pretty far when you're a couple of steps below.
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i honestly don't even understand this post. is there something wrong with the asteroid feat? long way from the top? hulk has so many ludicrous strength feats it's ridiculous. punching through time and shaking a dimension are both beyond the asteroid thing. keeping anti-matter and matter separated through physical power is maybe the MOST impressive.
and at least all those happened on panel, as opposed to glads' 'collapsing a star'.
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Originally posted by leonidas
😑i honestly don't even understand this post. is there something wrong with the asteroid feat? long way from the top? hulk has so many ludicrous strength feats it's ridiculous. punching through time and shaking a dimension are both beyond the asteroid thing. keeping anti-matter and matter separated through physical power is maybe the MOST impressive.
and at least all those happened on panel, as opposed to glads' 'collapsing a star'.
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Despite some clearly incompetent scientists' claim that the asteroid was twice the size as earth, it clearly doesn't make sense, does it? Hulk was completely calm, let's not deal with the fact that he only needed to fly up there, and yet it only took half a smash. It wasn't even a smash, he was rocketed at the asteroid oddly enough, and the entire asteroid exploded into stone. Nothing but stone.
You need to learn how to differ between stupid feats and unquantifiable feats.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Despite some clearly incompetent scientists' claim that the asteroid was twice the size as earth, it clearly doesn't make sense, does it? Hulk was completely calm, let's not deal with the fact that he only needed to fly up there, and yet it only took half a smash. It wasn't even a smash, he was rocketed at the asteroid oddly enough, and the entire asteroid exploded into stone. Nothing but stone.You need to learn how to differ between stupid feats and unquantifiable feats.
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so we simply say the scientists in the story were wrong? and the aliens that went around destroying planets USING asteroids never really did that either?
i never said it made sense. it IS supported repeatedly in the feature though. and it seems pretty clear he punched it to me, or powered straight through it. regardless it was a pretty damn big, full-page worthy smash. hell, i was just shown recently that hercules held the entire heavens! smashing an asteroid doesn't seem that big a deal. AND i used it as ONE example of the many LUDICROUS things hulk has done--MOST of which don't make sense. i have no idea what you're going on about regarding the stone. "nothing but stone". where'd you get that? after he broke it he was brought to the alien ship. doesn't say anything about stone.
and glads' feat wasn't unquantifiable. it was never shown. and how exactly do you collapse a star using strength?
anyway, glads' strength is NOT limitless, and hulk wins this.
Originally posted by quanchi112There has never in the history of ANY comicbook that any hulk has ever surpassed superman in strength.... Hulk does NOT have limitless strength.... there is no limit to how strong he can get if he can reach limitless anger..WHICH HE CANNOT... NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL... gladiator has near limitless strength at base... You have never seen a full confidence gladiator and you sure as hell will NEVER see a limitless strength hulk... you cannot put a limit on hulks strength because it increases as he angers... His anger has a limit but it has not been reached but once.. his azz fell out from anger because his mind shut down. Gladiator gets stronger the more he sets his mind to something. Hulk can only be so mad, there is NO limitless anger, he cannot get madder and madder forever. The uppermost limit of gladiators strength is unknown because it is tied to his willpower which is greater than anger. There has never been any hulk that has surpassed Kurse in strength... WWH is not now or ever will be 4 times stronger than thor.
I have never heard in my life from anyone on any board that Glads has limitless strength and that he is much stronger than WW Hulk. It's so absurd it's not even funny.
Hulk smash!
simply far too powerful, too durable (shifting tectonic plates whilst submerged in lava, planetary re-entry without shielding, traversing the void of space whilst standing atomp the stone-ship...) and with a healing factor that would repair any damage on the fly, almost instantaneously (ala the Zom/Strange fight).
as for impressive feats, just look at the Onslaught reborn saga, when Hulk became a nexus of two universes... that's more impressive than anything Gladiator (or any sub-skyfather) has done. imo.
Originally posted by james2099
There has never in the history of ANY comicbook that any hulk has ever surpassed superman in strength.... Hulk does NOT have limitless strength.... there is no limit to how strong he can get if he can reach limitless anger..WHICH HE CANNOT... NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL... gladiator has near limitless strength at base... You have never seen a full confidence gladiator and you sure as hell will NEVER see a limitless strength hulk... you cannot put a limit on hulks strength because it increases as he angers... His anger has a limit but it has not been reached but once.. his azz fell out from anger because his mind shut down. Gladiator gets stronger the more he sets his mind to something. Hulk can only be so mad, there is NO limitless anger, he cannot get madder and madder forever. The uppermost limit of gladiators strength is unknown because it is tied to his willpower which is greater than anger. There has never been any hulk that has surpassed Kurse in strength... WWH is not now or ever will be 4 times stronger than thor.
Huh? in straight battle, where thor threw his hammer away and battled hulk without it, hulk nearly KILLED thor. in a similar type battle, thor beat down juggernaut. and it's funny that in a battle where thor was present, it was HULK who did the heavy work against onslaught.
and what makes you so sure willpower>anger?? confidence wains. anger is constant. glads fights someone who can match him, his confidence FALTERS. hulk fights someone who can match him, he gets ANGRIER. hulk shattered a current, STRONGER colossus. a weak colossus battled glads and gave him hell. can't even claim pis--why? because for pis to occur, the showing needs to diverge greatly from the NORM. glads's norm is to be INCONSISTENTLY portrayed.
in a slugfest with wwh, glads' would need to be FAR stronger than he has EVER been shown to be to win. THAT would diverge from the norm.
Originally posted by leonidas
😂so we simply say the scientists in the story were wrong? and the aliens that went around destroying planets USING asteroids never really did that either?
i never said it made sense. it IS supported repeatedly in the feature though. and it seems pretty clear he punched it to me, or powered straight through it. regardless it was a pretty damn big, full-page worthy smash. hell, i was just shown recently that hercules held the entire heavens! smashing an asteroid doesn't seem that big a deal. AND i used it as ONE example of the many LUDICROUS things hulk has done--MOST of which don't make sense. i have no idea what you're going on about regarding the stone. "nothing but stone". where'd you get that? after he broke it he was brought to the alien ship. doesn't say anything about stone.
and glads' feat wasn't unquantifiable. it was never shown. and how exactly do you collapse a star using strength?
anyway, glads' strength is NOT limitless, and hulk wins this.
What the hell are you on about now, son?
There's hardly any difference between Hulk and Gladiator's powers. Gladiator's powers are belief-driven, and Hulk's powers are anger-driven. You can't claim that one is endless, where as the other isn't.
I never claimed that either was limitless, as that is just plain ridiculous. And having "DA UNLIMITED STRENGTHZ!" doesn't mean he'll beat anyone without.
Originally posted by janus77
Hulk's powers are not "anger driven", that's just plain wrong.Hulk's braced mountain ranges, held together a planet and done impossible feats whilst not angry or enraged.
anger/rage can speed up his amping, but it is not the mechanism by which he grows stronger/tougher.
And Gladiator still possesses superhuman stats when doubting himself 😐
Doesn't change the fact that he refers to them as belief-driven.
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