Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, only superman's story can beat him. Like Galan said already, "everything comes from Superman".
my understanding was that it was not superman, but the story of the superhero, the very concept, which superman is the prime example.
in DC, superman is the greatest example of a superhero, so he'd naturally be the one to embody the concept...
Originally posted by Enyalus
Heh. Luckily, I have all the information you need. And probably more than you want...Basically, the Heart of the Universe is an artifact made by TOAA especially for Thanos, granting Thanos TOAA's in-universe power (TOAA is the writer, and Thanos didn't get those 4th wall powers. But he has all the power of a truly Supreme Being does within the comics.)
xJLx didn't really explain the whole dying thing very well. The MU had a fundamental flaw in it, first caused by Wonder Man originally being brought back to life after dying. Various people being resurrected irreversably damaged the very fabric of the MU, to where it was dying. No one, not even Eternity was aware of this flaw. Only Thanos could perceive it, because of his omniscience. Being that he had died and was resurrected, he was part of this problem. After getting pissed off and destroying the omniverse, Thanos finally works up the courage to do what must be done and heal the flaw...in the process, he wipes out both himself and any trace of the HOTU. No one, not even the most cosmically aware (such as Watchers, etc.) remember Thanos's time as the Supreme Being of the MU. I'll post the relevant scans now. There's a lot of 'em, but they only take a quick look through to understand the scope of what was going on:
1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU2.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU3.jpg
4. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU4.jpg
5. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU5.jpg
6. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU6.jpg
7. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU7.jpg
8. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU8.jpg
9. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU9.jpg
10. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU10.jpg
11. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU11.jpg
12. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU12.jpg
13. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU13.jpg
14. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU14.jpg1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU_problem1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU_problem2.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU_problem3.jpg
4. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU_problem4.jpg
5. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU_problem5_1.jpg
6. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU_problem5.jpg
7. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU_problem6.jpg
8. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU_problem7.jpg
9. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU_problem8.jpgKay. If you looked through all of that, you'll notice multiple occasions when its stated that he's supreme over all reality and all existence and was bonded to omni-reality and destroyed all. As well as Eternity and others acknowledging that he wielded the Supreme Power and was now the new Almighty. Occasionally they will use the term 'universe' but just as often they use the 'all reality' comment. And the 'universe' terminology is just fine...the title of the arc is Marvel Universe: The End. They're referring to the end of all of the MU, period. Personally, I think destroying a celestial with a gesture was the most awesome thing. 😛 But as you can see, he tanks LT's best shot like its nothing and absorbs everyone and everything easily. Thanos w/ HOTU was the Supreme Being of the Marvel Universe at the time and Mandrakk has zero chance at winning here.
It's also confirmed that Thanos was the Supreme Being of the MU in his official Marvel bio, and confirmed that he destroyed and recreated the MU in both his Marvel.com bio and Marvel.com 'Marvel Universe' history bio.
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nice explanation, even if i disagree with your evaluation of the match itself.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's all subjective in the end anyways. I never said it was. I said that just because you think that Superman is the greatest story out there and so does dc that proves nothing in regards to marvel stories. Nothing.
facepalm
read the damn comic.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, tell me Tricky...1. Who has better on panel feats... Thanos w/heart or Mandrakk?
2. Who was defeated on panel Thanos or Mandrakk
3. Mandrakk's orgins and power are very specific to the DC universe and DC universe alone. So, explain to me how his power would carry over to a Neutral one?
4. What would stop Thanos from creating his own CA armor or bringing she-hulk to the battle field to tear up any comic book that has Mandrakk eating any story or even existing?
I said this to which you said
1. Mandrakk by far... So, please explain to me then Mandrakk's best feats which beat Thanos with the Heart? It's laughable but please do give us all a chuckle and back up your claim
2. Then here you said Mandrakk again wins this one... lol. How does he win this question I posed. Your saying Mandrakk wasn't defeated? haha. Your also saying Thanos was... So, please explain to me how Mandrakk didn't lose on panel and how thanos did. Again I'm going to be amused how your squirm out of your bias or try and back it up.
Don't keep avoding the questions Trick
Originally posted by Raoul
nice explanation, even if i disagree with your evaluation of the match itself.
I can't see why you would. Mandrakk's best feats are beating a Spectre and Radiant off-panel whose powers weren't working the tie-in beforehand, and releasing the power of a billion suns to injure Supes.
Compare that to what Thanos had done and its like comparing Batman's feats to PR Beyonder's.
Heh. 😛
Originally posted by RaoulI have.
my understanding was that it was not superman, but the story of the superhero, the very concept, which superman is the prime example.in DC, superman is the greatest example of a superhero, so he'd naturally be the one to embody the concept...
nice explanation, even if i disagree with your evaluation of the match itself.
facepalm
read the damn comic.
Nothing mandrakk has done has proven he can defeat Thanos in a comic. Nothing. This whole fourth wall crap shouldn't be allowed in debates it's ridiculous.
Originally posted by Raoul
my understanding was that it was not superman, but the story of the superhero, the very concept, which superman is the prime example.in DC, superman is the greatest example of a superhero, so he'd naturally be the one to embody the concept...
To me, it was quite clear that Superman's story was the only story that would fuel the CA and beat Mandrakk.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I can't see why you would. Mandrakk's best feats are beating a Spectre and Radiant off-panel whose powers weren't working the tie-in beforehand, and releasing the power of a billion suns to injure Supes.Compare that to what Thanos had done and its like comparing Batman's feats to PR Beyonder's.
Heh. 😛
that's not very fair.
nobody equals the batman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have.Nothing mandrakk has done has proven he can defeat Thanos in a comic. Nothing. This whole fourth wall crap shouldn't be allowed in debates it's ridiculous.
it happened. you not liking it doesn't change that.
mandrakk was feeding on existence itself.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I am not quite sure since I barely understood FC, but near the end while Superman was construction the MM, they said HIS story. The last man from Krypton, rocketed to Earth...etc.To me, it was quite clear that Superman's story was the only story that would fuel the CA and beat Mandrakk.
not JUST his story, though.
superman's story was the prime example, it started all the others. the concept of superhero came from superman, and in turn empowered him by growing to what it is now with other heroes, and then feeding in to him. he became THE superhero, singular. he was what inspired and maintained all others.
even if spider-man or green lantern or the x-men have wonderful feats of heroism, those are at their very core inspired by superman.
his is the prime example, i think, and because of that, he's powered by all others.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I can't see why you would. Mandrakk's best feats are beating a Spectre and Radiant off-panel whose powers weren't working the tie-in beforehand, and releasing the power of a billion suns to injure Supes.Compare that to what Thanos had done and its like comparing Batman's feats to PR Beyonder's.
Heh. 😛
Originally posted by Raoul
that's not very fair.nobody equals the batman.
it happened. you not liking it doesn't change that.
mandrakk was feeding on existence itself.
not JUST his story, though.
superman's story was the prime example, it started all the others. the concept of superhero came from superman, and in turn empowered him by growing to what it is now with other heroes, and then feeding in to him. he became THE superhero, singular. he was what inspired and maintained all others.
even if spider-man or green lantern or the x-men have wonderful feats of heroism, those are at their very core inspired by superman.
his is the prime example, i think, and because of that, he's powered by all others.
in DC only this is true. Are you really trying to say superman is the hero of a rival company that has very different story lines and origins? That is just beyond silly Raoul and im not sure how u can claim such a thing. Superman isnt the hero of marvel by any stretch of the imagination
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
in DC only this is true. Are you really trying to say superman is the hero of a rival company that has very different story lines and origins? That is just beyond silly Raoul and im not sure how u can claim such a thing. Superman isnt the hero of marvel by any stretch of the imagination
that isn't what i said. at all.
Originally posted by Raoul
that isn't what i said. at all.
Well then explain what you meant by this friend
his is the prime example, i think, and because of that, he's powered by all others.even if spider-man or green lantern or the x-men have wonderful feats of heroism, those are at their very core inspired by superman.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
in DC only this is true. Are you really trying to say superman is the hero of a rival company that has very different story lines and origins? That is just beyond silly Raoul and im not sure how u can claim such a thing. Superman isnt the hero of marvel by any stretch of the imagination
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well then explain what you meant by this friendhis is the prime example, i think, and because of that, he's powered by all others.[B]even if spider-man or green lantern or the x-men have wonderful feats of heroism, those are at their very core inspired by superman.
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i thought i was clear... 😕
because superman was the first superhero of comic books. every superhero is in part inspired (even indirectly) by superman because superheroism (in this medium) started with superman.
he was the first mainstream superhero. it is his success that gave us comics as they are today. DC, MARVEL, Image, Top Cow. Anyone who publishes or creates superhero comics does so because in 1932 two jewish guys sat down and came up with a superhero.
Originally posted by Raoul
i thought i was clear... 😕because superman was the first superhero of comic books. every superhero is in part inspired (even indirectly) by superman because superheroism (in this medium) started with superman.
he was the first mainstream superhero. it is his success that gave us comics as they are today. DC, MARVEL, Image, Top Cow. Anyone who publishes or creates superhero comics does so because in 1932 two jewish guys sat down and came up with a superhero.
BtW: Those jewish guys were dumb, they sold Superman from the newspaper for like a thousand dollars. They could have made billions.
