Mandrakk vs. Thanos w/ HOTU

Started by Mindset15 pages

Originally posted by Allankles
Mindset, it has something to do with how the characters are treated. I don't want to write an essay about it (I'm tempted to) but basically, Mongul's straight forward brutality makes him dangerous and vulnerable i.e. his vulnerability makes him a good foil for heroes (in a way Thanos isn't).

With Thanos many of his writers don't really have a solid clue about where to go with his identity. His fascination with death weighs his stories down imo and writers often make his enemies and peers job i.e. it's either they are scrubs (the elders) or unaware of their own problems.

That doesn't answer my question, or explain your reasoning, but I'd rather not have you write a paragraph.

I was kiddin with Eny, the emoticon made it clear. 🙂

Not really.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There is no story in a vs thread.

That's actually debatable. Since we are basically creating hypothetical situations, aka stories. We just happen to disagree on the endings and what happens after the beginning. 😛

Originally posted by Allankles
Tough guys, force blocks, physical confrontation their preferred means of achieving goals. Thanos is more cultured, but give Mongul Jr. a few years and the rough edges will smooth over.

Thanos nihilistic tendencies have (funnily enough) seemed to take the edge of his menace (based on Annhilation), but usually he lets his proverbial "fists" do a lot of his talking.

Mongul is a peasant when compared to Thanos. Thanos doesn't prefer getting physical, but he does excel at it. He does like to from time to time, but he looks down on brutes who only rely on their physical prowess. It's his mind that is his most dangerous weapon.

You seem to be quite ignorant of Thanos in all regards. Anyone who claims that he and Mongul have similarities doesn't really get Thanos.

Anyone who claims the she hulk story was better than infinity abyss or Thanos quest..... 😘

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That's actually debatable. Since we are basically creating hypothetical situations, aka stories. We just happen to disagree on the endings and what happens after the beginning. 😛
No, there really isn't a story in here. They fight based on their feats, power levels, and what's in character for them.

Current Mongul is nothing compared to Thanos

Original Mongul was a beast though

Originally posted by quanchi112
Mongul is a peasant when compared to Thanos. Thanos doesn't prefer getting physical, but he does excel at it. He does like to from time to time, but he looks down on brutes who only rely on their physical prowess. It's his mind that is his most dangerous weapon.

You seem to be quite ignorant of Thanos in all regards. Anyone who claims that he and Mongul have similarities doesn't really get Thanos.

Anyone who claims the she hulk story was better than infinity abyss or Thanos quest..... 😘

Since when did Thanos achieve anything without the proverbial "fisticuffs"?

As far as brain power is concerned, no one said Thanos wasn't smart, I didn't even bring up intelligence, so why make those assumptions?

And it's not like Mongul isn't brainy himself, or haven't you read up on Mongul? The guy is no slouch in terms of brains, I only mentioned his forceful (often times), brutal approach to problem solving.

PS: Infinity Abyss was derivative crap. The She-Hulk story was fun, the writer actually made the Thanos clone somehwhat delightfully devious, a good foil for the heroes.

Originally posted by Allankles
Since when did Thanos achieve anything without the proverbial "fisticuffs"?

As far as brain power is concerned, no one said Thanos wasn't smart, I didn't even bring up intelligence, so why make those assumptions?

And it's not like Mongul isn't brainy himself, or haven't you read up on Mongul? The guy is no slouch in terms of brains, I only mentioned his forceful (often times), brutal approach to problem solving.

😂 Thanos used his mind in Thanos' quest for one. The one story you claim to have read.

Mongul and Thanos are completely different characters. Thanos' intelligence blows his out of the water and I am being polite.

Just because Mongul has made something of himself due to a powerup don't act like he's great or has accomplished something. Sinestro is still out there.

Thanos has used his mind in pivotal ways before to stop help stop the Magus(both times), the goddess, he knew how to defeat the Hunger, he tricked Meph before, had tech lying around that he created that was powerful enough to temporarily defeat Thor, fooled the Surfer into faking his own death, created a clone more powerful than Galactus, engineered a plan that was necessary to defeat the Omega clone, etc.

That's Mongul Jr. Mongul was every bit a powerhouse as Thanos.

Originally posted by cloud102
That's Mongul Jr. Mongul was every bit a powerhouse as Thanos.
I was only discussing Mongul jr.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I was only discussing Mongul jr.

I see. You'd be surprised that many people think there aren't 2 Mongul's. Or think one and the same.

Originally posted by quanchi112
😂 Thanos used his mind in Thanos' quest for one. The one story you claim to have read.

Mongul and Thanos are completely different characters. Thanos' intelligence blows his out of the water and I am being polite.

Just because Mongul has made something of himself due to a powerup don't act like he's great or has accomplished something. Sinestro is still out there.

Thanos has used his mind in pivotal ways before to stop help stop the Magus(both times), the goddess, he knew how to defeat the Hunger, he tricked Meph before, had tech lying around that he created that was powerful enough to temporarily defeat Thor, fooled the Surfer into faking his own death, created a clone more powerful than Galactus, engineered a plan that was necessary to defeat the Omega clone, etc.

Again, everything (just about) is achieved through straight force. This isn't a criticism he's just not that good at intrigue. He uses his brain on technical terms but the end result?... One big fight, explosion or confrontation after another. Two exlpoding planets and some nukes to stop Hunger.

One on one fights with the clueless elders, straight up fights with heroes and gods, in his quests over the cosmic cube, Hotu and the gauntlet. Even Omega was all about a big physical threat.

As far as Mongul goes, it doesn't really matter what happens with Sinestro. The guy is easily the best candidate the fear power rings have had since Sinestro imo.

Instead of building up resumes that cramble under the demand of a good story, Mongul is written as and thus remains, an intergalactic threat that wants to curve out a big sizable niche for himself and expand from there, this is how you properly build up a career as a villain.

I prefer this approach than the over-the-top writer wanking that results in no-hope minis like Thanos Quest. No one likes a gary stuish tale.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Heh. Luckily, I have all the information you need. And probably more than you want...

Basically, the Heart of the Universe is an artifact made by TOAA especially for Thanos, granting Thanos TOAA's in-universe power (TOAA is the writer, and Thanos didn't get those 4th wall powers. But he has all the power of a truly Supreme Being does within the comics.)

xJLx didn't really explain the whole dying thing very well. The MU had a fundamental flaw in it, first caused by Wonder Man originally being brought back to life after dying. Various people being resurrected irreversably damaged the very fabric of the MU, to where it was dying. No one, not even Eternity was aware of this flaw. Only Thanos could perceive it, because of his omniscience. Being that he had died and was resurrected, he was part of this problem. After getting pissed off and destroying the omniverse, Thanos finally works up the courage to do what must be done and heal the flaw...in the process, he wipes out both himself and any trace of the HOTU. No one, not even the most cosmically aware (such as Watchers, etc.) remember Thanos's time as the Supreme Being of the MU. I'll post the relevant scans now. There's a lot of 'em, but they only take a quick look through to understand the scope of what was going on:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Thanos_HOTU1.jpg
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Kay. If you looked through all of that, you'll notice multiple occasions when its stated that he's supreme over all reality and all existence and was bonded to omni-reality and destroyed all. As well as Eternity and others acknowledging that he wielded the Supreme Power and was now the new Almighty. Occasionally they will use the term 'universe' but just as often they use the 'all reality' comment. And the 'universe' terminology is just fine...the title of the arc is Marvel Universe: The End. They're referring to the end of all of the MU, period. Personally, I think destroying a celestial with a gesture was the most awesome thing. 😛 But as you can see, he tanks LT's best shot like its nothing and absorbs everyone and everything easily. Thanos w/ HOTU was the Supreme Being of the Marvel Universe at the time and Mandrakk has zero chance at winning here.

It's also confirmed that Thanos was the Supreme Being of the MU in his official Marvel bio, and confirmed that he destroyed and recreated the MU in both his Marvel.com bio and Marvel.com 'Marvel Universe' history bio.

😎

Requoted for Raoul's benefit.

Allan, Quan....be quiet 'til he reads it. 😛

He isn't missing much Enyalus. 😉

Except a brain~! 😱

😛

Mindset, I forgot to tell you: you should get some sleep tonight, busy working day tomorrow.

What am I talking about? You never sleep.

Originally posted by Allankles
What am I talking about? You never sleep.

Mindset runs on fuel produced by a fraction of Doctor Doom's awesomeness, a patented source of limitless energy.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Mindset runs on fuel produced by a fraction of Doctor Doom's awesomeness, a patented source of limitless energy.

I always wondered how he did that! 😱

Originally posted by Allankles
Again, everything (just about) is achieved through straight force. This isn't a criticism he's just not that good at intrigue. He uses his brain on technical terms but the end result?... One big fight, explosion or confrontation after another. Two exlpoding planets and some nukes to stop Hunger.

One on one fights with the clueless elders, straight up fights with heroes and gods, in his quests over the cosmic cube, Hotu and the gauntlet. Even Omega was all about a big physical threat.

As far as Mongul goes, it doesn't really matter what happens with Sinestro. The guy is easily the best candidate the fear power rings have had since Sinestro imo.

Instead of building up resumes that cramble under the demand of a good story, Mongul is written as and thus remains, an intergalactic threat that wants to curve out a big sizable niche for himself and expand from there, this is how you properly build up a career as a villain.

I prefer this approach than the over-the-top writer wanking that results in no-hope minis like Thanos Quest. No one likes a gary stuish tale.

In comics fights tend to happen, but Thanos is known for his mind at his dangerous weapon not his fists.

The elders weren't cluless. The GM was ready for Thanos but was out thought. Meph was played by Thanos as well.

Thanos achieved all his goals while I can't say the same for any other character that comes to mind. He gets the powerups he seeks unlike other characters who fail.

How doesn't it matter? What has Mongul really done again?

Mongul is running around taking out some considerable characters such as arkillo minus the ring. He has set up shop on daxam currently, but we will see how things play out. I don't even think it will take that much to overthrow him at all.

Thanos' plan was well organized against Omega. Thanos had to separate him from his ship while keeping his distracted and leaving when everything was set in motion.

Sinestro actually unified the Am,Prime, henshaw, etc. for a time with a common goal and took on the entire gl corps. Mongul is just a small time villain in a much bigger story. He is a small timer, brah.

The stuff you like is so basic and common place it's actually scary. You liked that horrible she hulk crap and like the basic mongul idea. he acquires a ring and takes over a planet, enslaves the population, etc.

You can't get any more basic than that.