Originally posted by FinalAnswerWhich looks better?
The person who looks like a nondescript thug or the dude in bondage gear and mascara?
Haha.
That looks like a rejected alternate costume for Noob Saibot or Smoke or something. Wtf.
I hate how everything is automatically better because it's darker, has more edges, and adds unnecessary accessories (Like eye shadow, fingerless gloves and a bondage costume) nowadays. That and stupid hipster garbage is the the biggest problem plaguing western society. ✅
Originally posted by NemeBroExcept corsets don't attach to armsleaves or hoods. The entire upper body part (with the exception of the gloves and the face cover) seems to be one part. It looks formfitting, but and somewhat tight. It makes up for this in that the entire outfit looks like its made out of cloth and leather which bends and wrinkles. That entire outfit also looks super lightweight. That combined with the fact that its formfitting seems a lot better for a guy who has to keep in motion. No, it doesn't provide protection, but neither does old Garrets costume. They're thieves, not knights.
Only if you grew up on terrible Cable comics in the 90's could you find his outfit "badass" or "practical".That Blax is actually making a post that isn't trolling (<3) is evidence enough of that fact, but let's really analyze Garret's outfit.
As Blax has touched on, Garret is first of all wearing a corset. A corset is famously uncomfortable to just stand around and walk in. Garret has to run, fight, jump, climb, and steal while wearing it. Old Garret has no corset, so in this regard his outfit is more practical.
Now let's look at a pretty similar problem, namely, how tight the outfit is. Look at the legs, torso, and especially the arms, and see how impractically form-fitting the entire ensemble looks. Once more, this would be very uncomfortable and seriously limits Garret's range of motion. Old Garret's outfit is not overly loose, but is loose enough to give him a considerably greater range of motion, so it wins over the new one as well.
Let's see, what else... Ah yes, armour. New Garrett is clearly unarmoured, you can't bullshit me and say that his skin-tight bodysuit provides anything resembling decent protection. Old Garret, while not exactly wearing full plate, has armguards, and wears full leather armour. So, while not impervious to damage, old Garret can take glancing wounds more gracefully than new Garret.
Now let's address the popular criticism of old Garrett. Namely, his cloak. Popular perception of capes and cloaks as impractical is unfortunate, though not entirely unwarranted, admittedly. As seen in Incredibles or Watchmen, cloaks can snag, and cost you your life. But that criticism has far less relevance in a Medieval society, where there are no turbine engines or revolving doors to get your cloak caught on. Furthermore, they add to old Garrett's anonymity, adding to his nondescript appearance (Will elaborate on this later). It hides his full arsenal from being seen at a glance, and in the shadows makes his shape less human so he can blend in better. Also it keeps him warm. The cloak is perfectly practical.
Next let's cover how much new Garrett stands out. I mean really, just ****ing look at him. Eye shadow, painted nails, corset, gimp-esque outfit, new Garrett if actually seen sticks out like a sore thumb. He's very distinct looking, whereas old Garrett basically just looks like a nondescript commoner or thug. The very first level in Thief involves to some extent exploiting the fact that you can just walk the **** up to guards when not on private property without being apprehended because, well, you just look like a regular dude. The same can not be said of new Garrett, who looks exactly like an edgemaster doing edgy, disreputable things. There is literally no practical purpose toward dressing like that.
The final criticism that comes to mind is simple aesthetic. The older Thief games were fantastical, not a real-world mediaval equivalent, but the differences were so subtle at first that you don't even notice. New Garrett shits on the subtlety, he's obviously a cartoonish caricature of a rogue who exists in an equally cartoonish caricature of a medieval stealth game. It looks ****ing stupid. It would be like if, in Game of Thrones, rather than wearing her practical armour, Brienne charged into battle wearing a bikini she stole off the set of Heavy Metal.
tl;dr the new outfit sucks and is impractical.
Edit: Oh hey another criticism came to me.
New Garrett's lack of fingered gloves. This would make swordplay, archery, and really a multitude of tasks involving his hands quite a bit more painful than it need be. A fairly short criticism but, well, icing on the cake.
The old Garret, on the other hand, has a bunch of loose, baggy, and overall heavier looking clothing. The loose arrows he keeps in the quiver on his back would also be all over the place. The massive cape he would have fluttering and trailing behind him doesn't help either. You say it makes him look less human, but it doesn't make him any less visible. It makes him bigger and easier to spot. The warmth aspect and the fact that it adds a degree of an anonymity are true enough though. The new Garret has that long thick string that keeps the knife (or whatever that is) tethered to his waste, so even if it fell out of its sheathe, it would stay on him. Everything, overall, seems to be strapped down perfectly for a guy who has to stay on the move.
The darker colors and the fact that the only part of skin showing on his body is his eyes (and the gloves, which I actually agree are stupid) seems a lot better for staying out of sight. Old Garret, on the other hand, has the light brown quiver, the light brown vambrace, the uncovered face (although he rocked a face cover sometimes too), and a loose hood that would catch wind and blow off any time he picked up momentum or a gust came through. He's also an overall grey/brownish color.
I agree with you're points about the gloves. I agree that it does look too cartoony, but if this fits the world, its not a big point. Would a WoW player complain about their armor being cartoony? Corvo from Dishonored fits his world too. I agree that old Garret looks more inconspicuous for Hitman's disguise type stealth. I agree that these aesthetics would look f*cking stupid in Game of Thrones. I agree that the painted nails and eyeshadow look f*cking stupid anywhere.
I still believe that new Garret would still be better suited for stealth that involves actually keeping out of site in shadows and staying on the move (Metal Gear type stealth). He looks sleeker, darker, and lighter with no loose articles flinging about due to everything being strapped down. Taking everything you said into account, old Garret seems better suited for a kind of hiding-in-plain-sight type stealth, but not making quick, shadowy escapes. Old Garret is more Hitman, while new Garret is more Metal Gear.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Except corsets don't attach to armsleaves or hoods.
Nor does Garrett's.
http://www.gameranx.com/img/13-Mar/thief-garrett.jpg
It is not attached.
The entire upper body part (with the exception of the gloves and the face cover) seems to be one part. It looks formfitting, but and somewhat tight. It makes up for this in that the entire outfit looks like its made out of cloth and leather which bends and wrinkles.
Ever wear a T-shirt too small for you? Remember how raising your arm lifted it above your navel?
Imagine that, only due to the corset and the straps keeping it in place, there is nowhere for it to go, so it just severely limits your range of motion.
That entire outfit also looks super lightweight.
So was old Garrett's.
That combined with the fact that its formfitting seems a lot better for a guy who has to keep in motion.
It wouldn't actually allow him to keep up that motion.
No, it doesn't provide protection, but neither does old Garrets costume. They're thieves, not knights.
Old Garrett has armguards and is wearing full boiled leather. Protection.
The old Garret, on the other hand, has a bunch of loose, baggy, and overall heavier looking clothing.
No. 👆
Want to know who did wear loose and baggy clothing, because it suited their job best?
Ninjas.
Old Garrett's clothing isn't even particularly loose or baggy mind you. Heavier? Only marginally.
The loose arrows he keeps in the quiver on his back would also be all over the place.
Old Garrett also has a quiver on his back, lol.
The massive cape he would have fluttering and trailing behind him doesn't help either.
You've seen too many movies. Unless he is in the middle of a hurricane, it won't billow and flutter behind him while sneaking, nor is it even a particularly heavy cloak. In-doors, there is no issue at all.
This is all of course ignoring the fact that if he does indeed have a job where the cloak isn't viable, he can... Take it off. Easily, lol.
You say it makes him look less human, but it doesn't make him any less visible. It makes him bigger and easier to spot.
The cloak is as wide as he is, it just conceals his limbs and his weaponry (Which can reflect light) better.
The warmth aspect and the fact that it adds a degree of an anonymity are true enough though. The new Garret has that long thick string that keeps the knife (or whatever that is) tethered to his waste, so even if it fell out of its sheathe, it would stay on him. Everything, overall, seems to be strapped down perfectly for a guy who has to stay on the move.
I didn't even notice the string. Know what else it does though? It would get caught in something far more easily, it limits his range of motion, and in combat could be grabbed, giving his opponent leverage over him.
The darker colors and the fact that the only part of skin showing on his body is his eyes (and the gloves, which I actually agree are stupid) seems a lot better for staying out of sight. Old Garret, on the other hand, has the light brown quiver, the light brown vambrace, the uncovered face (although he rocked a face cover sometimes too), and a loose hood that would catch wind and blow off any time he picked up momentum or a gust came through. He's also an overall grey/brownish color.
Actually his cloak is dark blue, and it covers most of his body.
Dark blue is actually far better for stealth within shadows or night time than black is. Black would actually stand out if you tried to hide while wearing it, because you'd be darker than the darkness around you (So edgy). Old Garrett actually has less showing than new Garret, only his mouth and chin.
A hood doesn't come off just from running, not when it's covering most of your face.
I agree with you're points about the gloves. I agree that it does look too cartoony, but if this fits the world, its not a big point.
Why did they turn Thief's setting into a cartoon setting? Why make a new game in the series if you won't adhere to the themes and tones of the original?
Would a WoW player complain about their armor being cartoony?
Yes actually, a lot of people do complain about WoW's stupid looking armour. One of my best friends is one such person, and he dislikes it because WoW armour used to look like this:
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071228011903/wowwiki/images/a/ac/Auduin_Lothar.jpg
Corvo from Dishonored fits his world too.
Yeah but his world was always like that, it wasn't altered to appeal to a newer, more mainstream crowd like Thief is.
I agree that old Garret looks more inconspicuous for Hitman's disguise type stealth. I agree that these aesthetics would look f*cking stupid in Game of Thrones. I agree that the painted nails and eyeshadow look f*cking stupid anywhere.
Good.
I still believe that new Garret would still be better suited for stealth that involves actually keeping out of site in shadows and staying on the move (Metal Gear type stealth). He looks sleeker, darker, and lighter with no loose articles flinging about due to everything being strapped down. Taking everything you said into account, old Garret seems better suited for a kind of hiding-in-plain-sight type stealth, but not making quick, shadowy escapes. Old Garret is more Hitman, while new Garret is more Metal Gear.
Naw dude, dude naw.
Old Garrett is just better, and he's better because more genuine thought was put into his design. New Garrett was made to edgify the series and make him and his setting more mainstream and easily accepted by new players.
I for one hope the game bombs and that everyone involved is out of a job. Also I'm a communist.
lol This has been an all out war. If you don't like the look thats cool...If the jumping thing bothers you then ok thats fine but even combined I don't think that will decide if the games going to be good or not. Wait for it to come out and give it an unbiased try...rent it if you don't wanna buy it.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
lol This has been an all out war. If you don't like the look thats cool...If the jumping thing bothers you then ok thats fine but even combined I don't think that will decide if the games going to be good or not. Wait for it to come out and give it an unbiased try...rent it if you don't wanna buy it.
Well if you have a decent PC rig, Go and track down the other Thief games.
Watched one review for this game
6/10 & a 7/10
the 6/10 person is like me and everyone else who have played the previous games, Says it didn't capture that magic of the original Thief games
also points out that there is one level later on in the game which harkens back to the earlier games
the 7/10 is from someone that's new to the franchise
and from what they showed the game basically hand holds you through the entire game pretty much gives you a objective marker.
Originally posted by Kazenji
Watched one review for this game6/10 & a 7/10
the 6/10 person is like me and everyone else who have played the previous games, Says it didn't capture that magic of the original Thief games
also points out that there is one level later on in the game which harkens back to the earlier games
the 7/10 is from someone that's new to the franchise
and from what they showed the game basically hand holds you through the entire game pretty much gives you a objective marker.
That's a shame. Hopefully you can turn such options off.
I preordered this, something I almost never do. Will be DLing it from Amazon later this evening.
