Thief 4 coming

Originally posted by Digi
I'm not even quite sure what this means. Sounds like a melodramatic movie line.

Video game, actually.

Meh, ok.

It is pretty awful, to be fair.

Originally posted by Digi
As a more serious response, I just can't bring myself to feel hatred, or really even anger, toward something that is a release for me (video games, that is). 's probably why I've trended toward single player games in recent years. The abject aggression and bile spewing from the fandoms of several mainstream games is antithetical to my purpose for playing.

I don't necessarily disagree with some of your assessments, of course. I just have a different perspective on them. As such, it's been a bit disappointing that you've refused to engage some of my points, instead opting for veiled slights like this last post.

Also, have you played the game yet? I haven't seen much in the way of in-game critique. Or are you skipping it altogether?

"Refused to engage" some of your points? Like what? That I'm super ass angry at this video game? I'm not. Am I going to rush to buy it to try it out and validate my expectations? No, the same way I didn't rush out to see, say, Revenge of the Fallen when it was released to validate how I thought it would turn out. I don't shell out money on release for something I doubt I'll really like.

Will I ever play the game to validate said viewpoint? Maybe, but I probably won't pay for it. Borrow it? Sure man. It's probably not the worst game I've ever played, not even close. It's probably even a solid "okay". But a game has to either do better than that or appeal to some interest of mine for me to spend time and effort beating it.

Also ignore Backfire, he's just upset that I didn't instantly fall in love with The Last of Us (And even now that I've gotten a lot further in it, it's still only in "pretty good" territory). 👆

No, don't ignore me. That's my one weakness.

Jesus Christ man calm down. I know you're a mod but there is no need to abuse your power and try to bully me like that.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It is pretty awful, to be fair.

Agreed. For what it's worth, in-game Garrett is less emo looking. The promotional pics of him, his face at least, are somewhat exaggerated.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Wow, you really think I'm upset, don't you?

Actually, no, I don't. "Anger" is pretty relative on forums. But you have had some acerbic posts (devs getting cancer and whatnot), so it's at least been fairly angry by forum standards. In any case, this supposes I try to get into peoples' heads based off of very little information. I really, really don't care enough to attempt that.

Originally posted by NemeBro
"Refused to engage" some of your points? Like what? That I'm super ass angry at this video game? I'm not. Am I going to rush to buy it to try it out and validate my expectations? No, the same way I didn't rush out to see, say, Revenge of the Fallen when it was released to validate how I thought it would turn out. I don't shell out money on release for something I doubt I'll really like.

That's cool. No reason you should if that's how you feel.

It's just, your posts have been mostly rants against one aspect of the game or another, as I try to engage you on the actual merit of the game (or lack thereof). I've just been perplexed by your vitriol and certainty without having played it. If you're not going to, that's fine, but it's begs the question of your continued attacks.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Will I ever play the game to validate said viewpoint? Maybe, but I probably won't pay for it. Borrow it? Sure man. It's probably not the worst game I've ever played, not even close. It's probably even a solid "okay". But a game has to either do better than that or appeal to some interest of mine for me to spend time and effort beating it.

That's fine. I just wanted to know if you had played it yet.

It's a lot of work trying to interact with you. You know what I said about anger toward something that is a release for me? The same is largely true of KMC. I'm not trying to push your buttons, nor trying to assume anything about you personally. I'm trying to discuss a game, and somehow we're arguing with one another. Your approach to our discussion has been combative, and in this case needlessly so.

Originally posted by Digi
Agreed. For what it's worth, in-game Garrett is less emo looking. The promotional pics of him, his face at least, are somewhat exaggerated.

Could be, but I'm pretty big on functionality in my character designs (As seen in a lengthy rant in the Game of Thrones thread) most of the time, so eh.

Actually, no, I don't. "Anger" is pretty relative on forums. But you have had some acerbic posts (devs getting cancer and whatnot), so it's at least been fairly angry by forum standards. In any case, this supposes I try to get into peoples' heads based off of very little information. I really, really don't care enough to attempt that.

I uh, don't actually want the devs to die of cancer.

That's cool. No reason you should if that's how you feel.

It's just, your posts have been mostly rants against one aspect of the game or another, as I try to engage you on the actual merit of the game (or lack thereof). I've just been perplexed by your vitriol and certainty without having played it. If you're not going to, that's fine, but it's begs the question of your continued attacks.

I've acknowledged Thief isn't a truly epic travesty of a game in of itself, though it could be argued to be an abortion when put next to the other games in the series.

Certainty eh? I am indeed pretty certain that the game is a more casual rendition of the Thief ip. Am I wrong?

That's fine. I just wanted to know if you had played it yet.

It's a lot of work trying to interact with you. You know what I said about anger toward something that is a release for me? The same is largely true of KMC. I'm not trying to push your buttons, nor trying to assume anything about you personally. I'm trying to discuss a game, and somehow we're arguing with one another. Your approach to our discussion has been combative, and in this case needlessly so.

Calm down. You fight, and eat good food. You fight, and drink fine wine. You fight, and sleep with beautiful woman. Hell, fight with beautiful women! That is what it means to live.

Now that I've shoehorned another video game quote into my post, allow me to reiterate: I'm not angry, nor am I even mildly upset. I think my posting style gives that impression sometimes, but I am far more laid back about shit like this than many others, some of whom have posted in this thread (Like FA for example, whom I often tell to calm down, especially since in this case he hasn't actually played the series being "butchered"😉.

Do I think Thief 4 is kind of shitty, even only relatively? Yeah, I suspect that is indeed the case.

Am I wrong?

Anyway, I'm off to play episode 2 of Walking Dead.

It is misleading to label this game as "shitty." It is a good game, a welcome development for the fans of this franchise.

The appeal factor of this game is dependent upon how it is played. If you (as a player) will play it just for completing missions, you are likely to be disappointed. If you will play it for Thief experiences, you are likely to enjoy it.

No.

To each his own.

When I am playing this game, my priorities are as follows:

# 1: LOOT (including collectibles)
# 2: MISSION

This is how this game is meant to be played, any Thief game is.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is misleading to label this game as "shitty." It is a good game, a welcome development for the fans of this franchise.

The appeal factor of this game is dependent upon how you play it. If you will play it just for completing missions, you will be disappointed. If you will play it for Thief experiences, you will be enjoy it.

There's a decent point hiding here somewhere. While the merits and flaws of a game exist regardless of your play approach, there's a lot to be said about the opportunity to make your own experience, so to speak. The open world and side missions help, and if you, say, decide you're going to be an absolute ghost for the entire game, it creates a new experience and mindset. I always feel like I'm cheating to put an arrow in a guard's head...I want to be a Thief, not an action hero. Fleecing an entire section of city and picking off guards one by one is still fun, if only because it allows me the type of creativity that most of the pre-set levels don't (which are still maddeningly linear for my taste).

That's not true of many games, even good ones. I won't say it glosses over the flaws (it doesn't). But it means I'll enjoy the immersion of the game at times despite the flaws.

Originally posted by Digi
There's a decent point hiding here somewhere. While the merits and flaws of a game exist regardless of your play approach, there's a lot to be said about the opportunity to make your own experience, so to speak. The open world and side missions help, and if you, say, decide you're going to be an absolute ghost for the entire game, it creates a new experience and mindset. I always feel like I'm cheating to put an arrow in a guard's head...I want to be a Thief, not an action hero. Fleecing an entire section of city and picking off guards one by one is still fun, if only because it allows me the type of creativity that most of the pre-set levels don't (which are still maddeningly linear for my taste).

That's not true of many games, even good ones. I won't say it glosses over the flaws (it doesn't). But it means I'll enjoy the immersion of the game at times despite the flaws.

Many have attempted this game with the wrong mindset. The correct aptitude for this game is this:

#1 Loot
#2 Exploration / Clearing paths
#3 Missions
#4 Story

This game isn't a COD, Dishonored, GOW, RPG and Battlefield. It should be played like its meant to be.

The PROLOGUE phase of this game is meant to familiarize people with the mechanics of this game. Real game begins from chapter 1.

SW Legend, I know your advanced case of micropenis tends to make you overcompensate by acting smug and arrogant, but by and large, the people who dislike this game don't dislike it for not being like CoD. They dislike it because they immensely preferred the older Thief games.

Also Dishonored is almost certainly better than this game.

Originally posted by NemeBro
SW Legend, I know your advanced case of micropenis tends to make you overcompensate by acting smug and arrogant, but by and large, the people who dislike this game don't dislike it for not being like CoD. They dislike it because they immensely preferred the older Thief games.

Also Dishonored is almost certainly better than this game.

Thief games are not just about story but also about Thieving experiences. This game is inadequate in story department for some (I understand) but it is superior to its ancestors in Thieving experiences department (more FUN).

And Dishonored is a different game. I am not sure why anybody wants to use it as an analog for Thief franchise.

No, I'm pretty sure people's problem is that it's more scripted and less fun in the thieving experience.

Sorry about the micropenis crack, that joke might have been in poor taste upon recollection.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Finally, someone who understands the concept of this game. 🙂

Many have attempted this game with the wrong mindset. The correct aptitude for this game is this:

#1 Loot
#2 Exploration / Clearing paths
#3 Missions
#4 Story

This game isn't a COD, Dishonored, GOW, RPG and Battlefield. It should be played like its meant to be.

Neme has a point about comparison to the past Thief games. It's lacking in certain departments. Your overall point is enough to save it from criticism oblivion, imo, but not to wash away such criticisms entirely.

Also, trying to prescribe a proper aptitude (I think you meant attitude) is a fool's errand.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The PROLOGUE phase of this game is meant to familiarize people with the mechanics of this game. Real game begins from chapter 1.

This is true of most games. Not quite sure why it's relevant.

So is this any good?
Thinking about tryin it.
Havent played the other Thief games.

I'm going to wait for some time and a Steam sale. Never played the originals and while I have Thief 3, I couldn't really get into it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Sorry about the micropenis crack, that joke might have been in poor taste upon recollection.

Yeah, it's odd to mock someone over a condition that you yourself suffer from.

I do not suffer from micropenis, I suffer from nihilpenis.