Battlehammer: Support Wolvie. Don't support him using the backwards logic of aim blocking lasers.
Originally posted by jinzinIrrelevant. And wholly anticipated from you when I started scanning it. The purpose of this scan is to illustrate a common premise. It's one of the most recent explications of how street-levelers do what they do off the top of my head. It explains exactly why street-levelers are able to do what they are able to do. Unless you can prove that someone didn't anticipate and begin to move to evade or block until after the bullet/laser is fired, then you have absolutely no reason in hell to suggest that they only reacted AFTER the bullet or laser was fired:
Let's get something straight off the bat, Elektra dark reign is using an Elektra who's practically on her last leg, it's no indication of her typical speed which has her blocking automatic gunfire by the individual bullet which has nothing to do with "aim blocking" like you're talking about
The ability to react to a bullet only after it's fired requires movement speed far beyond street-level. For a laser? It requires superspeedster level since light travels a foot in a nanosecond. This common premise is initimably clear on KMC when people discuss bullet-dodging or laser-dodging feats among street-levelers, e.g. Batman, Nightwing, Dardevil, Cap, Elektra, Punisher, Blade, Wolvie, etc. And with all the comics you have obviously read, you are in a better position to understand this moreso than most. But you keep bringing up the same garbage argument. You're not stupid. So you must be trolling. The only reason you could possibly have is to use semantics to ignore this common premise and equivocate your position in this thread. ONLY if the bullet/laser is fired BEFORE he's in position to evade/defend is it indicative of such high levels of speed or reflexes. There is a VAST distinction between Cap dodging each bullet fired in the first scan (a common generic example amongst thousands) and Cap dodging the bullet in the second scan:
In the former scan, we can't know for sure whether Cap is simply telegraphing the pistol's shots and already moving at each moment before the gunman squeezes off a properly aimed shot with his pistol. Without seeing his position relative to each shot, it's impossible to tell. In the latter scan, we know for sure Cap hasn't moved when the bullet is fired because we see in the same exact panel, that the bullet is fired from point-blank range and Cap is not in a defensive or evasive position. He had to shift his body in the space fo the bullet leaving the muzzle and it reaching his body. Very few street-levelers have demonstrated this level of speed. Elektra arguably does, Batgirl definitely does. You haven't shown any for Wolverine. But you keep trying to pass off scans where we cannot tell whether Wolverine telegraphed bullets or lasers as if they were the same. Garbage. And you're smart enough to know it. Drop it or bring this issue to a battlezone.
Originally posted by jinzinExcept you keep ignoring the speed required of such feats as illustrated. I've given you several oppurtunites to quantify and allot the 1.2 seconds amongst Thor diverting his direction to the ground, landing, calculating the trajectory and exact strength of the blow, swinging his hammer down, and the time needed for the shockwave to travel. You've also offered nothing but semantics and incorrect statements, i.e. the bricks are moving faster than Gladiator because you're unable to accept the level of speed required for such a feat. Even if you decided to take srankmissingnin's ridiculous take and argue they're only falling at the speed of gravity, go ahead and imagine a huge pile of bricks fell on top of you. If you had to take successive swings to knock the bricks away, how fast would you have to swing it back and forth? Even if you can't allow yourself to wrap your head around that, go ahead and lowball Gladiator and argue that he's only speed-blitzing at the speed of sound. That still requires Thor to have swung his hammer twice in the space of thousandths of a second.
and once again, all I see is you scraping the bottom of the barrel here to lowball everything Wolverine's done while blowing Thor's feats out of proportion... Seriously.... to use his hammer while flying around to slam into the ground taking the majority of 1.2 secons is NO indication that he's faster than Wolverine in combat, nor is batting a building away with two swings.... Both of those are more strength related than speed....
