Originally posted by MindsetI dont see how other heroes trying to kicks his ass helped him to dodge Hercues. Wade did use them and his surroundings to outmaneuver them, it's true. But if he was fighting Her alone there'd be even more space for him to maneuvre, no distractions and dodging Herc would've been a lot easier. Plus Wade has a teleporter as his standart equipment so even if Herc creates an earthquake by punching a ground he wont tag DP.
Having the other heroes around is the only reason Deadpool was able to outmaneuver Herc and momentarily put him down.
Originally posted by SamZEDIf there were no other heroes around there would have not been any people in Herc's way.
I dont see how other heroes trying to kicks his ass helped him to dodge Hercues. Wade did use them and his surroundings to outmaneuver them, it's true. But if he was fighting Her alone there'd be even more space for him to maneuvre, no distractions and dodging Herc would've been a lot easier. Plus Wade has a teleporter as his standart equipment so even if Herc creates an earthquake by punching a ground he wont tag DP.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
They actually posted scans of Thor superspeed feats you obnoxious jackass. Hell somebody even specfied that Hercules would lose due to lack of speed feats.
Listen up Cream Soda, it was a list of sub-par "feats" that was easily countered. Only one feat on the list was potentially above Wolverine's speed feats, while the rest where well below... hell half the list was "look something is close to Thor's head in this panel, than ZOMG, he dodged it!!!!," shit like that doesn't even get into normal respect threads... but in this case its all Thor has, I mean, the dude hasn't even speed blitzed someone, not even a one, how sad is that?
None of that matters though because Thor and Hercules are ZOMG TEH STRONGERS!!!!
Originally posted by srankmissingninA jaundiced and supremely inaccurate assessment of the list I created for you. A list of feats that you could only match, up to a certain point and then walked away from. You never bothered to even match the list (much less beat the list) by moving on to Wolverine having feats to match Thor's punking of multipe speedsters, superspeedsters and then scans of micro to nanosecond feats.
Listen up Cream Soda, it was a list of sub-par "feats" that was easily countered. Only one feat on the list was potentially above Wolverine's speed feats, while the rest where well below... hell half the list was "look something is close to Thor's head in this panel, than ZOMG, he dodged it!!!!," shit like that doesn't even get into normal respect threads... but in this case its all Thor has, I mean, the dude hasn't even speed blitzed someone, not even a one, how sad is that?
I also find it supremely ironic that you ignore how Thor's demonstrated on-panel combat speed and reflexes superior to Wolverine and instead focus on how he lacks Superman-type speed blitzes, as if that is the only way for you to acknowledge his proven and as of yet, unrebutted superiority in both combat speed and reflexes.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
A jaundiced and supremely inaccurate assessment of the list I created for you. A list of feats that you could only match, up to a certain point and then walked away from. You never bothered to even match the list (much less beat the list) by moving on to Wolverine having feats to match Thor's punking of multipe speedsters, superspeedsters and then scans of micro to nanosecond feats.I also find it supremely ironic that you ignore how Thor's demonstrated on-panel combat speed and reflexes superior to Wolverine and instead focus on how he lacks Superman-type speed blitzes, as if that is the only way for you to acknowledge his proven and as of yet, unrebutted superiority in both combat speed and reflexes.
What feats on the list are you even talking about? Nothing on the list with the possible exeption of the ditch digging was superior to Wolverine's better feats. Basicly, the only thing your list of feats did is remind me that Thor had trouble with a loser like Cobra (even before his speed was upgraded). If that was your goal... mission accomplished!
You will also notice that none of the feats I posted where common place feats that are posted all the time, like Battlehammer's favourte Living Lightning feat, and the Speed Demon feat... I didn't posted them because I assumed that you've seen them a million times (which you have), not because they don't exisit.
Originally posted by srankmissingninWhat is up with you? How can you possibly be so obtuse? Basically every feat I listed from the point where I started listing Thor's punking of multiple speedsters and even super-speedsters is superior to Wolverine's feats. These are the speedster and super-speedster feats:
What feats on the list are you even talking about? Nothing on the list with the [b]possible exeption of the ditch digging was superior to Wolverine's better feats. Basicly, the only thing your list of feats did is remind me that Thor had trouble with a loser like Cobra (even before his speed was upgraded). If that was your goal... mission accomplished!You will also notice that none of the feats I posted where common place feats that are posted all the time, like Battlehammer's favourte Living Lightning feat, and the Speed Demon feat... I didn't posted them because I assumed that you've seen them a million times (which you have), not because they don't exisit. [/B]
Originally posted by OneDumbG0These are the measurable and clearly superior feats that you couldn't even begin to match. Here's the only one you tried making a half-hearted attempt to lowball. Thor is flying around outside, unaware that Cobra and Jane Foster are in this particular building. Jane Foster screams, and Cobra fires a dart only a few feet from jane Foster. Thor's not even in the room, but AFTER the dart's fired, in the space of a split second, he manages to maneuver in and intercept the dart:
Here, Thor builds a trench around crazed citizens and Avengers, including a zooming Quicksilver:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/ThorSuperspeed07Avengers098.jpgHere, Thor punks the Newman speedster, Juvan, who was created by the High Evolutionary, using nothing but his bare hands:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/ThorSuperspeed11a447.jpgHere, Thor catches another High Evolutionary creation who possesses superspeed, the godling, Zefra:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/ThorSuperspeed15475.jpgAnd Thor has punked the superspeedster, Hermes, the literal Greek God of Speed, not just once, but twice:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/ThorSuperspeed11Avengers281.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/ThorSuperspeed16av27.jpg
When has Wolverine, AFTER a dart-like projectile has already been fired at a victim only a few feet away, zoomed in from outside that room and intercepted it? Show us a scan.
Here's another superspeed feat. Thor's flying around in the sky and spots a boy who is going to be hit in 1.2 seconds. Within the 1.2 seconds, he's able to zoom down to the ground, calculate the precise trajectory, slam Mjolnir down to create a shockwave and have the shockwave travel to bounce the truck up:
When has Wolverine done anything remotely close to this? Show us a scan.
For that matter, when has Wolverine ever thrown a haymaker punch and spun around to catch a zooming object in the space of microseconds? That's within millonths of a second:
You seem so confident in Wolverine's speed, so show us a scan.
Has Wolverine ever defended himself from a neutral position AFTER a blast moving at least light speed has already been fired? Show us a scan. And don't even bother trying to pass off aim-dodging or blocking as remotely comparable:
Then there's that time Thor caught a fired tank shell in his bare hand which you brought up. Has Wolverine ever caught artillery shells? Show us a scan. Are you going to try to pass off that ridiculous rocket-riding feat as being comparable?
Then there's this time where Gladiator throws a building section at Thor but he swipes the debris away with two successive strikes which follow each other so quickly that nothing penetrates between swings AND a speeb-blitzing Gladiator hasn't even reached him despite being feet away after the first swing:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/ThorSuperspeed19v234.jpg
Got anything? If so, show us a scan.
Here I thought you just gave up trying to prove that Wolverine neither surpasses, much less even matches Thor's on-panel combat speed and reflexes. This whole time you've looked at them and still act like Wolverine's speed is greater. Are you clowning around or something? Don't be a troll.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Here, Thor builds a trench around crazed citizens and Avengers, including a zooming Quicksilver:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Avengers098.jpg
Yes, Thor flew around in a circle spinning his hammer. We all know about Thor's flight speed and the fact that his hammer spins in excess of light speed... bravo.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Here, Thor punks the Newman speedster, Juvan, who was created by the High Evolutionary, using nothing but his bare hands:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...speed11a447.jpg
Yeah that looks really fast to me. 🙄
Wolverine's tagged Rogue dozens of times, and she has caught machine gun fire and literally out raced a bullet flying side by side, he's also speed blitzed Domina who put the boots to Rogue. Just because Thor hit a speedster doesn't mean it was a speed feat, I mean, does it look like either of them are moving particularly fast to you? Or am I wrong and are all the examples of Wolverine tagging Rogue speed feats also?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Here, Thor catches another High Evolutionary creation who possesses superspeed, the godling, Zefra:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...rspeed15475.jpg
Where is Thor's speed in this example? She flew into his cloak, that's all her...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And Thor has punked the superspeedster, Hermes, the literal Greek God of Speed, not just once, but twice:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Avengers281.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...speed16av27.jpg
The first one is the only legitimate speed feat of the bunch (the second is a whole lot of nothing once again), so it will be the first - and only - one from this group that I count with a scan... so... Enjoy:
Not only does Wolverine tag Speed Demon, but he actually manages to keep up with his blur, he manages to stay right behind the speedster, which is vastly superior to any of the Thor feats above.
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1830/strategyte6.jpg
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Jane Foster screams, and Cobra fires a dart only a few feet from jane Foster. Thor's not even in the room, but AFTER the dart's fired, in the space of a split second, he manages to maneuver in and intercept the dart:When has Wolverine, AFTER a dart-like projectile has already been fired at a victim only a few feet away, zoomed in from outside that room and intercepted it? Show us a scan.
The feat is pretty ambiguous. How fast is the dart? We have no clue. Where was Thor when the dart was fire? We don't know, we know where he was BEFORE the dart was fire (IE right outside the window), but where was he when the dart was being fire? Jane clearly yelled for help, prior to the dart being fire, which would give anyone who happened to be flying around outside any open windows plenty of time to save the day.
Here is Wolverine on second base, and Storm in the outfield about to get clocked in the face by a base ball. Wolverine covers the ground between them instantly and catches the ball with his claw. Easily on par with the dart feat.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Speed/UncannyX-Men37906Speed.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Speed/UncannyX-Men37907Speed.jpg
Wolverine blocks the barrel of a gun with his claws, after the trigger was pulled but before the bullet leaves the chamber. Vastly superior to the dart feat.
A terrorists decides to take a shot at Wolverine from more than 20 feet away. The bullet grazes Wolverine's cheek and he speed blitzes his assailant, closing the ground between them instantly and severing the shooters arm. Again vastly superior to the dart feat.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8499/xmenv2133p03gm1.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6867/bulletsidestepkq1.jpg
Bishop presses the button on his arm to activate his teleportation. Wolverine is feat away from him when the button is pushed but he still manages to hit him before he teleports away. Once again... vastly superior to the dart feat.
http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/?action=view¤t=Cable-016.jpg
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Here's another superspeed feat. Thor's flying around in the sky and spots a boy who is going to be hit in 1.2 seconds. Within the 1.2 seconds, he's able to zoom down to the ground, calculate the precise trajectory, slam Mjolnir down to create a shockwave and have the shockwave travel to bounce the truck up:When has Wolverine done anything remotely close to this? Show us a scan.
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That's not even a speed feat. He hit the ground in 1.2 seconds? ZOINKS!!! That's not even impressive for a real human... in fact... that's incredibly slow. He did sent a shock wave though, so you are right about that... but wrong at any implication of precision trajectory... unless picking a direction = precision now.
You want a scan of Wolverine showing speed superior to that? Pick any single Wolverine speed feat at random... but for the sake of organization, here is one for you:
Nightcrawler is knocked from his perch and before he can fall the 10-20 feet into the fire bellow, Wolverine cuts a large section out of the wall and catches him.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7726/elfcatchinlv7.jpg
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
For that matter, when has Wolverine ever thrown a haymaker punch and spun around to catch a zooming object in the space of microseconds? That's within millonths of a second:You seem so confident in Wolverine's speed, so show us a scan.
Given it is a single feat that hasn't been replicated, and none of Thor's other feats even begin to suggest he is capable of microsecond reactions, I am more than comfortable with writing that one example off as PIS.
Has Wolverine ever been said to have microsecond reaction speed? No, but like most streets, he has feats that would require that level of speed to accomplish (the gun barrel blocking feat above comes to mind), but realistically such speeds are well outside what Logan is capable of.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Has Wolverine ever defended himself from a neutral position AFTER a blast moving at least light speed has already been fired? Show us a scan. And don't even bother trying to pass off aim-dodging or blocking as remotely comparable:
Nice, did you just arbitrarily decided that the speed of that blast was light speed?
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Get the **** out of town buddy.
Look, Wolverine blocked lasers!!! Light-speed reflexes? 😱
http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/?action=view¤t=axm-017.jpg
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Then there's that time Thor caught a fired tank shell in his bare hand which you brought up. Has Wolverine ever caught artillery shells? Show us a scan. Are you going to try to pass off that ridiculous rocket-riding feat as being comparable?
Why have you arbitrarily determined that he speed of that rocket as being slower than an artillery shell? That's convenient...
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Here's the feat for anyone who is curious:
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/...cketridekz0.jpg
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Then there's this time where Gladiator throws a building section at Thor but he swipes the debris away with two successive strikes which follow each other so quickly that nothing penetrates between swings AND a speeb-blitzing Gladiator hasn't even reached him despite being feet away after the first swing:http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/ThorSuperspeed19v234.jpg
Got anything? If so, show us a scan.
Once again... not that impressive. Two swings? Big deal.
Wolverine cuts a barrage of arrows out of the air... and his claws were still sheathed inside his arms when the arrows were fired.
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3575/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0nx6.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6679/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0vc8.jpg
Wolverine slices a skintight suit of armor off Geist in the time it takes from him to say clean shave... and he was so accurate that Geist didn't even feel anything, in fact, he thought Wolverine missed.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpg
Replicates the feat against Doc Sampson.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/892/samsonripdp5.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6002/samsonrip2od2.jpg
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Here I thought you just gave up trying to prove that Wolverine neither surpasses, much less even matches Thor's on-panel combat speed and reflexes. This whole time you've looked at them and still act like Wolverine's speed is greater. Are you clowning around or something? Don't be a troll.
I didn't give up, I proved my point the first time around, for some reason it just didn't manage to sink in with you.
Please feel free to ignore everything I've provided and repost the post that I just replied only worded slightly different as you always do, I don't see any point in you changing your system now.
Srankmissingnin: You started out by basically just echoing the rationale I already discussed when it comes to speed feats that involve punking a speedster. In fact, I specifically discussed that when I first posted the original list of feats. Instead of recognizing it and inverting it back onto Wolverine's own catalogue of ambiguous speedster punking feats to avoid a drawn out, pointless back-and-forth, you continue to hide behind double-standards and lowball Thor's punking of speedsters and highball Wolverine's. Not just that, you ignore that Thor's done it more often and done it to actual superspeedsters. As for Speed Demon, Logan admitting that he can only tag him by figuring out where he will be next? Nuff said.
Seriously, nuff said about that. Unlike you, I don't rely on punking speedsters or superspeedsters to prove Thor's combat superspeed or superspeed reflexes alone. So let's move on:
Originally posted by srankmissingninOn par, because it's subject to the same scrutiny that you attempt to heap onto Thor's dart feat. So let's move on...
The feat is pretty ambiguous. How fast is the dart? We have no clue. Where was Thor when the dart was fire? We don't know, we know where he was BEFORE the dart was fire (IE right outside the window), but where was he when the dart was being fire? Jane clearly yelled for help, prior to the dart being fire, which would give anyone who happened to be flying around outside any open windows plenty of time to save the day.Here is Wolverine on second base, and Storm in the outfield about to get clocked in the face by a base ball. Wolverine covers the ground between them instantly and catches the ball with his claw. [b]Easily
on par with the dart feat.[/b]
Originally posted by srankmissingninFirst, fix your god damn links. Second, bullcrap! He's already lunging at him with his claws before the bullet is discharged! In fact, you can't even tell whether he was already in the process of lunging before he started pulling the trigger! What the hell kind of bs is this? Even if you assume that Wolverine only started lunging after the crippled old man started depressing the trigger, a bullet only discharges when you fully depress the trigger, not when you start pulling on the trigger! Do you not understand this concept? This is especially important when you're dealing with a crippled man in a wheelchair because you can't possibly measure how quickly he would actually depress the trigger fully! Absolute garbage.
Wolverine blocks the barrel of a gun with his claws, after the trigger was pulled but before the bullet leaves the chamber. [b]Vastly superior to the dart feat.http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n43-p14-1.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n43-p15-1.jpg[/b]
Originally posted by srankmissingninAre you kidding me?! Are you going to sit there and tell me that Wolverine interrupting him before he can discharge a second bullet is vastly superior? We have absolutely no way to measure just how quickly that mook would have squeezed off another shot. No possible way. We don't even know if he tried squeezing off another shot! Get that shite outta here.
A terrorists decides to take a shot at Wolverine from more than 20 feet away. The bullet grazes Wolverine's cheek and he speed blitzes his assailant, closing the ground between them instantly and severing the shooters arm. Again [b]vastly superior to the dart feat.http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8499/xmenv2133p03gm1.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6867/bulletsidestepkq1.jpg[/b]
Originally posted by srankmissingninOh. My. God. Are you once again, assuming without any way to measure how quickly the teleportation is completed after Bishop pressing the button, that it is somehow instantaneous? Take the crap, leave it in the toilet where it belongs. Snagging the hit baseball was the only legitimate feat that matches Thor's dart feat. And you could have left it there and moved on, but you had to destroy your credibility by trying to pass off the other three feats as "vastly superior." What kind of desperation lead you to such blatant and twisted attenuation?
Bishop presses the button on his arm to activate his teleportation. Wolverine is feat away from him when the button is pushed but he still manages to hit him before he teleports away. Once again... [b]vastly superior to the dart feat.http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/?action=view¤t=Cable-016.jpg [/B]
Originally posted by srankmissingninSeeing the boy, then flying out of the sky, landing on the ground, slamming Mjolnir down to send a shockwave across a city to precisely make a truck leap over a child without hurting anybody else.... all in 1.2 seconds is slow? Utter bullcrap. You're being blatantly obtuse because you know you've got nothing. By focusing on the 1.2 seconds aspect while ignoring the distances involved and reaction times involved you would actually go so far and suggest a real human can do that? Simply. Pathetic. Logic.
That's not even a speed feat. He hit the ground in 1.2 seconds? ZOINKS!!! That's not even impressive for a real human... in fact... that's incredibly slow. He did sent a shock wave though, so you are right about that... but wrong at any implication of precision trajectory... unless picking a direction = precision now.[/url]
Originally posted by srankmissingninNot even close. Considering Wolverine was already in position being right next to the wall and right next to where Nightcrawler is falling and you can't measure how high up Nightcrawler started falling from nor when Wolverine saw that Nightcrawler was falling that isn't close at all.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7726/elfcatchinlv7.jpg
Originally posted by srankmissingninComfortable writing it off, HA. It's the only desperate move you could possibly resort to. Considering that Thor deals with superspeedsters and has other feats to support this, you "writing off speed feats" only serves to expose just how outclassed you are when it comes to posting feats.
Given it is a single feat that hasn't been replicated, and none of Thor's other feats even begin to suggest he is capable of microsecond reactions, I am more than comfortable with writing that one example off as PIS.Has Wolverine ever been said to have microsecond reaction speed? No, but like most streets, he has feats that would require that level of speed to accomplish (the gun barrel blocking feat above comes to mind), but realistically such speeds are well outside what Logan is capable of.
Don't even try to confuse other people who may assume that microsecond-timing is like split-second timing. Microseconds are millionths of a second. Nanoseconds are billionths of a second. Even batting away bullets doesn't require you to move your limbs within millionths of a second. And Wolverine has never even batted away bullets, like say Daredevil. Your pathetic gun barrel feat, even if it weren't already utterly debunked wouldn't require microsecond speeds.
Originally posted by srankmissingninTelepathy moves FTL. It is, for all intents and purposes, instantaneous. You've obviously read enough X-Men and know that telepathy has connected Xavier and Lilandra across galaxies. So answer this, "How fast does telepathy move?" Answer: Faster than l___t.
Nice, did you just arbitrarily decided that the speed of that blast was light speed?Get the **** out of town buddy.
Look, Wolverine blocked lasers!!! Light-speed reflexes? 😱
http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/?action=view¤t=axm-017.jpg
"How fast do you think telepathic blasts move?" Logical answer: Well since it's telepathy, and the scan says it's instantaneous, it's probably as fast as telepathy, which is instanteous, which is faster than l___t.
Obviously, I can already imagine your disingenuous response. "So what if it's made of telepathy? And who cares that I don't have any evidence that telepathic blasts aren't instant like telepathy is? I'll just assume that telepathic blasts hold different properties than the telepathy it is made of and hope nobody notices! Wee!"
I assumed for the sake of argument that it is only travelling at light speed. Unless you have proof to suggest that a telepathic blast would manifest speeds different from regular telepathy, don't even try to equivocate.
As for your pathetic attempt at straw-manning by posting the laser blocking scan, I already told you in parentheticals no less, NO AIM BLOCKING. What? Thor doesn't have dozens of aim blocking feats with Mjolnir? Don't be a troll.
Originally posted by srankmissingninAh yes. I remember you trying to pass this off as being superior to Midnighter kicking a fired tank shell out of mid-flight. You pasted the link incorrectly, which I've fixed. So yes, let's see who thinks riding a rocket is as impressive as catching a fired artillery-shell with your bare-hand.
Why have you arbitrarily determined that he speed of that rocket as being slower than an artillery shell? That's convenient...Here's the feat for anyone who is curious:
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Originally posted by srankmissingninArrows feat, first: He swiped with both arms in a single motion. Do you not understand the distinction? Guess not. So let me spell it out for you: swinging both of your arms simultaneously is distinct from swinging a mallet in one direction, then swinging it in another. The former involves two arms and one motion. The latter involves two arms and two motions. Simple enough for you now? One motion versus two separate motions? Look at the Thor scan again:
Once again... not that impressive. Two swings? Big deal.Wolverine cuts a barrage of arrows out of the air... and his claws were still sheathed inside his arms when the arrows were fired.
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3575/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0nx6.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6679/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0vc8.jpghttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpghttp://img208.imageshack.us/img208/892/samsonripdp5.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6002/samsonrip2od2.jpg
Had Wolverine actually swung both of his arms in one direction, then swung them back in the opposite direction, and no arrows got through, the arrow feat might be on par. As it is, it completely fails to match it on every possible level. You had to have understood that. You're not stupid. You're just desperate that nobody would notice. That's being a troll. As for the pathetic carving up armor scans, I don't even have to bother. How you could possibly manage to try to pass that off as coming close to Thor using successive swings to bat away half a building's worth of flying debris so that none of it gets through... AND in the space of time it takes for a speedblitzing Gladiator to only advance a few feet? Utterly outrageous.
In the end, you posted an absolute phail that was supposed to be your measured rebuttal. It only proved just how desperate you are and what lengths you'll go, to not admit you're wrong. You've thrown everything out there: double-standards, strained attenuation, even resorting to, "that clear, measurable speed feat doesn't count." And putting up scan links haphazardly without thinking about how easily I can rip them apart when you know I take the time to address each and every one? Did you try to think this through?
One half of me is glad about how easy it was to seal this debate and prove you wrong. The other half of me is plain insulted that you stopped to such pathetic levels.
