Originally posted by OneDumbG0
First, fix your god damn links. Second, bullcrap! He's already lunging at him with his claws before the bullet is discharged! In fact, you can't even tell whether he was already in the process of lunging before he started pulling the trigger! What the hell kind of bs is this? Even if you assume that Wolverine only started lunging after the crippled old man started depressing the trigger, a bullet only discharges when you fully depress the trigger, not when you start pulling on the trigger! Do you not understand this concept? This is especially important when you're dealing with a crippled man in a wheelchair because you can't possibly measure how quickly he would actually depress the trigger fully! Absolute garbage.
I'll let S-Rank deal with the rest of your post, but I'm sorry, this one was just so wrong that I couldn't let it stand.
I'm sorry, but it was not a "crippled old man in a wheelchair" that fired at Logan. It was actually a deranged serial killer who would go on to kill the wolverine that Logan set after him, take several hostages, and get into a brawl with police officers that culminated with him tearing the throat out of one with his teeth, and bashing in the head of another with a human femur.
The "wheelchair" you see him falling into in the scan is actually a trash can with wheels that he was pushing around in his guise as the zoo's janitor. He may not have been a superhuman opponent, but he was not a cripple either.
Here is the "crippled old man," bragging about his height:
1. http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5517/wolverine43p12a.jpg
Note that we also see the "wheelchair" behind him.
And here is where his attack on the police officers is mentioned:
2. http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/268/wolverine090p06.jpg
The feat stands as impressive, since we see Wolverine outrun a serial killer's finger, and plant his claw into the barrel of the gun before the bullet could leave. How that doesn't match Thor's feat, especially with the similar ambiguity both you and S-Rank have brought up, I don't know.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
First, fix your god damn links. Second, bullcrap! He's already lunging at him with his claws before the bullet is discharged! In fact, you can't even tell whether he was already in the process of lunging before he started pulling the trigger! What the hell kind of bs is this? Even if you assume that Wolverine only started lunging after the crippled old man started depressing the trigger, a bullet only discharges when you fully depress the trigger, not when you start pulling on the trigger! Do you not understand this concept? This is especially important when you're dealing with a crippled man in a wheelchair because you can't possibly measure how quickly he would actually depress the trigger fully! Absolute garbage.
Jinzin: It's a good thing I posted plenty of measurable and unambiguous combat speed and reflex superspeed feats then, isn't it? Oh wait. Were you not done addressing those? Hard to tell since you only address my criticism of the pistol barrel feat. Which as of now, still remains unanswered. When did Wolverine recognize that the killer drew a gun on him? When did Wolverine start moving relative to when he began pulling the trigger? Is it a feat comparable to aim-dodging, whereupon Wolverine saw that he was about to get shot and simply had to beat him to the draw? Or did Wolverine not notice that a gun was drawn on him until after the murderer started pulling the trigger and only then did Wolverine notice him and subsequently leaped from across the room to stick a claw in the barrel? You have the comic, post the scans, because I'd like to know.
Originally posted by Ize19Fair enough. He was not a crippled old man in a wheelchair. I did not know that.
I'm sorry, but it was not a "crippled old man in a wheelchair" that fired at Logan. It was actually a deranged serial killer who would go on to kill the wolverine that Logan set after him, take several hostages, and get into a brawl with police officers that culminated with him tearing the throat out of one with his teeth, and bashing in the head of another with a human femur.
Originally posted by Ize19Here's the problem, because your response does not address the scrutiny I laid on the feat. When did Wolverine start moving relative to when the murderer began pulling the trigger? From the scan, I cannot tell. Did Wolverine start moving before he started pulling the trigger? Was Wolverine right next to him when the gun was drawn? Was Wolverine just completely oblivious to the murderer until he heard that first click? Since you have the comic in front of you, you can post the pages leading up to it to provide this context.
The feat stands as impressive, since we see Wolverine outrun a serial killer's finger, and plant his claw into the barrel of the gun before the bullet could leave. How that doesn't match Thor's feat, especially with the similar ambiguity both you and S-Rank have brought up, I don't know.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And putting up scan links haphazardly without thinking about how easily I can rip them apart when you know I take the time to address each and every one? Did you try to think this through?
*sigh* So true. I would have thought that Hercules loses but as far as im concerned you did a very good job with the Thor speed feats.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Here's the problem, because your response does not address the scrutiny I laid on the feat. When did Wolverine start moving relative to when the murderer began pulling the trigger? From the scan, I cannot tell. Did Wolverine start moving before he started pulling the trigger? Was Wolverine right next to him when the gun was drawn? Was Wolverine just completely oblivious to the murderer until he heard that first click? Since you have the comic in front of you, you can post the pages leading up to it to provide this context.
^ Hell if I know.
Ize19: So having just been stabbed by a knife... (i) Wolverine was standing within arm's distance of Linus, (ii) Wolverine saw Linus draw the gun on him, (iii) Linus announced his intention to shoot him in the chest, and (iv) we don't see when Wolverine started moving between the last panel, second page where Linus draws the gun and third panel, third page when he begins pulling the trigger because the scene cuts away from Logan to a close-up of the gun.
In other words, an arm's length swipe was all that was necessary for Wolverine to beat Linus. And we have no way to accurately measure when exactly Wolverine started swinging his claw relative to when Linus began pulling the trigger. This feat would be impressive had Wolverine been several yards away when Linus had drawn the gun on him. The feat would be impressive had Linus already fully depressed the trigger before Wolverine even started moving, and beat the bullet leaving the pistol chamber. But neither happened here.
This scene is analagous to a quick-draw contest between two gunmen. You have the trigger-happy bloke who draws first, but before squeezing off a shot, the quicker more experienced gunman manages to draw his pistol from his holster and shoot him. That isn't a speedblitz. It's winning a quick-draw contest. Response?
