But anyway, blasting Kain into bits would be worthless considering Kain can transform and transmute and even control his bodies form from physical flesh to water vapour. From droplets of water to flesh would be beyond just being in pieces, its the same as being in particles AND in a different form.
If Kain started reforming himself from the mist inside Malek, theres nothing Malek could do, hell...he could just condense the mist into the guys body, it cant be healthy.
Even if your quite so weak theory would be proper, Kain would return a little smaller every time he reform due to a decreasing amount of liquid to work from. A lightsaber slash will vaporize particles and so will shattering Kain with the Force do.
Mist although incorporeal is not a safe form for Kain. Incorporeal substances is not untouchable for the Force. Galen could with utter ease keep Kain from coming anywhere near his body in any shape or form: liquid or mist.
Originally posted by SuperLuigi
until it is proven without any doubt stop saying the apprentice is strong in the force than yoda.
Let me respond you like this: Prove that Yoda is stronger than Galen. We have examples that put Galen above Yoda. You strongly believe Yoda is above Galen, so obviously you have proof for this. Bring it.
Originally posted by SuperLuigi
im not the one making the claims. you are. so until you can prove that in fact starkiller, the apprentice, galen is stronger in the force than yoda do not use it as basis for your argument.
Very well. Yoda strained with Luke's ship. Galen brought down a Star Destroyer. Galen showed great precision when he through the Force dismantled and reassembled his lightsaber, which consist of hundreds of tiny components. A touch for detail Yoda has never shown. He could slay a rancor with his lightning. He was, like Yoda, able to see the future. The author compared him to Luke Skywalker, who's way more powerful than Yoda.
Now what do you got?
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Even if your quite so weak theory would be proper, Kain would return a little smaller every time he reform due to a decreasing amount of liquid to work from. A lightsaber slash will vaporize particles and so will shattering Kain with the Force do.Mist although incorporeal is not a safe form for Kain. Incorporeal substances is not untouchable for the Force. Galen could with utter ease keep Kain from coming anywhere near his body in any shape or form: liquid or mist.
quite so weak? its not theory at all, its what Kain does on a regulour basis, what is theoreticle about it? mist form is a common move. And no, water vapour will simply become more vapour if slashed with a lightsaber, as you said "vapourise" you will simply be making yet more vapour, making it more impossible for Malek to know which part of hte mist is actually Kain.
Can you show me a force user controlling vapour in such a way? do we know Galen has this power if it exists?
riddle me this master jedi, if galen was so much more powerful in the force than yoda then why didnt he kill sidious with that little explosion? because yoda and sidious were nearly equals, if i heard correctly, meaning the more powerful galen should have been able to kill sidious.
Yoda had more important things to do that put together a lightsaber with the force.
galen didnt instantly pull down the star destroyer it took a lot concentration. plus gravity was on his side. whereas yoda was working against gravity and water pressure.
galen himself said sometimes "jedi" can see into the future. that trait is not limited to him and yoda.
I would like to see Galen Marek himself use the force instantly, something powerful or enough to break someone into piecies at least, then I would be sustained.
When Marek was about 7 yrs old he telekinetically stole Vaders lightsaber by accident. Throughout the book he uses the force with no more than a 'wave of his hand' at one point sending someone to sleep with one. When having a force vision the whole ship begins to shake and things start to float just becuase he's distressed.
Other instances of instant force use: Luke pins his nephew to the floor without looking at him, building up the force or making any gesture (this is specifically mentioned). Kas'im (a force-weakling) blasts open a heavy stone door while in a vicious lightsaber duel. Darth Zannah snaps two jedi's necks just by getting angry at them when she's 8. She later disintegrates her cousins arm by lashing out in a panic, like flailing a limb. Darth Bane disintegrates numerous techno-beasts while in combat with them. Those last two are comparable to Mareks strength level.
So yeah, the Force doesn't always need to be charged up all the time, but it becomes more powerful when it is, like in the game.
And my opinion is that Marek and Yoda are about as powerful as each other. I think Yodas best TK feat was lifting up 2 400meter ships, but I've heard talk of mountains. The difference is that Marek has been taught to use the Force instinctively. But Yoda does use it instantly at times too, like when he blocked Sidious' lightning in ROTS.
Originally posted by SuperLuigi
riddle me this master jedi, if galen was so much more powerful in the force than yoda then why didnt he kill sidious with that little explosion? because yoda and sidious were nearly equals, if i heard correctly, meaning the more powerful galen should have been able to kill sidious.Yoda had more important things to do that put together a lightsaber with the force.
galen didnt instantly pull down the star destroyer it took a lot concentration. plus gravity was on his side. whereas yoda was working against gravity and water pressure.
galen himself said sometimes "jedi" can see into the future. that trait is not limited to him and yoda.
Darth Sidious was more powerful than Yoda. Just because Galen would be more powerful than Yoda, does not mean he's more powerful than Darth Sidious.
What you're basically saying is "absence of proof is not proof of absence". Yoda has never shown such a finger for detail as Galen has.
Yoda did not instantly pull up Luke's ship. Luke's ship did also not have engines running to keep it where it was.
Originally posted by Nephthys
When Marek was about 7 yrs old he telekinetically stole Vaders lightsaber by accident. Throughout the book he uses the force with no more than a 'wave of his hand' at one point sending someone to sleep with one. When having a force vision the whole ship begins to shake and things start to float just becuase he's distressed.Other instances of instant force use: Luke pins his nephew to the floor without looking at him, building up the force or making any gesture (this is specifically mentioned). Kas'im (a force-weakling) blasts open a heavy stone door [b]while in a vicious lightsaber duel
. Darth Zannah snaps two jedi's necks just by getting angry at them when she's 8. She later disintegrates her cousins arm by lashing out in a panic, like flailing a limb. Darth Bane disintegrates numerous techno-beasts while in combat with them. Those last two are comparable to Mareks strength level.So yeah, the Force doesn't always need to be charged up all the time, but it becomes more powerful when it is, like in the game.
And my opinion is that Marek and Yoda are about as powerful as each other. I think Yodas best TK feat was lifting up 2 400meter ships, but I've heard talk of mountains. The difference is that Marek has been taught to use the Force instinctively. But Yoda does use it instantly at times too, like when he blocked Sidious' lightning in ROTS. [/B]
Darth Vader crushed a head that was out of his sight with his back turned and by simply closing his fist while talking to Darth Sidious 😊
master jedi
i said nearly equal. 51/49 split. you are telling me that someone, supposedly stronger than yoda, unleashed, perhaps the strongest move displayed in star wars, against sidious, who how was not too much stronger than yoda, and left not one scratch on him? i have to call b.s. on that. i respect your knowledge of star wars but its gonna take alot more for me to believe galen was close to yoda.
i never said yoda did anything instantly. if you recall earlier in this thread i said even yoda had to concentrate. and im not gonna knit pick about yoda building light sabers.
the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence... just because yoda never displayed great feats of the force doesnt mean he cant do them. 800 years vs 10 years.... the ball is in your court
Originally posted by SuperLuigi
master jedii said nearly equal. 51/49 split. you are telling me that someone, supposedly stronger than yoda, unleashed, perhaps the strongest move displayed in star wars, against sidious, who how was not too much stronger than yoda, and left not one scratch on him? i have to call b.s. on that. i respect your knowledge of star wars but its gonna take alot more for me to believe galen was close to yoda.
i never said yoda did anything instantly. if you recall earlier in this thread i said even yoda had to concentrate. and im not gonna knit pick about yoda building light sabers.
the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence... just because yoda never displayed great feats of the force doesnt mean he cant do them. 800 years vs 10 years.... the ball is in your court
Darth Sidious and Yoda aren't near. Darth Sidious is way more powerful. Darth Sidious is so powerful that he's actualy torn the fabrics of space open. Yoda has lifted a fighter. Enjoy comparing those two. In the battle between the two, which I'm sure you've seen, Darth Sidious lifted several platforms while Yoda strained with a single.
You never said Yoda did anything instantly, but you did say that Galen did not. Which implies that it was possible you believed that Yoda could do something better, merely because it took Galen time to bring down a several hundred thousand tons Star Destroyer.
Sure, it's easily assumed that this or that character can do this or that particular move, but without ANYTHING backing it up other than his age and the possibility of his competence, I have a hard time accepting it. Galen Marek was a prodigy. Yoda was not. Luke Skywalker soon enough was more than ten times younger than Yoda and more powerful.
hold your horses master jedi. if sidious was waaaaaaaaaay more powerful the why didnt he kill yoda with ease? oh and sidious throwing the platforms from standstill doesnt require the amount of focus as it did yoda to stop those same platforms from hitting him(yoda).
i said that galen didnt instantly take down the starship, which he didnt. i said that because earlier in this thread the way that feat was introduced, it seemed like galen pulled down the starship with utter ease as you like to say. i said "even yoda had to concentrate". no where did i allude to yoda doing galen's feat in an instant or without concentration.
galen is not luke skywalker, a descendant of the force itself. using luke to make yoda seem weak is an underhanded tactic.
hold your horses master jedi. if sidious was waaaaaaaaaay more powerful the why didnt he kill yoda with ease? oh and sidious throwing the platforms from standstill doesnt require the amount of focus as it did yoda to stop those same platforms from hitting him(yoda).
Yoda and Sidious are about equal at the time of ROTS, but after that Sidious spends the next 20 years gathering the greatest collection of force knowledge in history, because he now controls the entire galaxy, and studying the Force deeply in all its forms and depths. By his own admission he is vastly more powerful, even by the time of Marek (3 yrs before ANH?) as of the time Luke rolls in.
Yoda on the other hand, sits in a swamp and slowly dies.
Originally posted by SuperLuigi
hold your horses master jedi. if sidious was waaaaaaaaaay more powerful the why didnt he kill yoda with ease? oh and sidious throwing the platforms from standstill doesnt require the amount of focus as it did yoda to stop those same platforms from hitting him(yoda).i said that galen didnt instantly take down the starship, which he didnt. i said that because earlier in this thread the way that feat was introduced, it seemed like galen pulled down the starship with utter ease as you like to say. i said "even yoda had to concentrate". no where did i allude to yoda doing galen's feat in an instant or without concentration.
galen is not luke skywalker, a descendant of the force itself. using luke to make yoda seem weak is an underhanded tactic.
He was not as powerful then, but another answer would be ... For the same reason that Darth Maul died against Obi-Wan Kenobi. For the same reason that Darth Vader killed Darth Sidious. For the same reason that Darth Sidious struck down two of three Jedi Masters with a mere lightsaber charge. More of an answer you can't expect. It shouldn't have happened in matter of power. Have you never asked yourself why this or that character did not do this or that when you know they are able to?
Luke is not Galen, but he's as powerful. At least if we are to believe the Galen Marek author. The only reason I'm using Luke is because the author claimed the two equals. Galen IS a prodigy.