Originally posted by SuperLuigi
sidious was thrown down a shaft. that's how he died. galen unleashed a great deal of energy. sidious was unharmed and galen died. galen's power is overrated.
I know how he died. If you think I didn't, I'm insulted 😐 Darth Sidious returned though. And are you really basing your argument about Galen being overrated on the fact that he failed against one of the strongest Force users to have ever lived? The author compared Galen's powers to Luke Skywalker's. He brought down a Star Destroyer. He was a prodigy. I'm not sure where you see the overrate. He was stated top tier.
i know you know. i said that because no matter how powerful someone is they die in silly ways. if vader at that time was 80% of sidious's strength and he just got his ass mollywooped by galen. then logically galen had to be greater than 80% of sidious strength. by unleashing his suicide explosion he should have logically harmed sidious in some way. he didnt which makes me question he power. galen is powerful i never said he wasnt. but one can be powerful and overrated at the same time.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Hes never had trouble in beating Raziel, hell in the intro we see Kain quite casually beating the cr@p out of him and laughing about it. Grabbing him by the neck, launching him across the room etcOfcourse it was supposed ot happen, and that was what it seemed to Raziel, however the actual event is explained in depth later on in the game. Kain knew Raziel would return.
If I remember, Raziel could have killed him by stabbing him in the neck. He wasn't throwing around Raziel in Defiance. He got serious after a while. That's when he got cut by Raziel (not instantly), Raziel paralyzed him, ripped his heart out, and TKed him into the Demon Realm. Hell, how do you even know Kain didn't get serious?
Can you show me this?
Originally posted by The Valiant
If I remember, Raziel could have killed him by stabbing him in the neck. He wasn't throwing around Raziel in Defiance. He got serious after a while. That's when he got cut by Raziel (not instantly), Raziel paralyzed him, ripped his heart out, and TKed him into the Demon Realm. Hell, how do you even know Kain didn't get serious?Can you show me this?
Because he couldnt have done, as I said, he needs Raziel, the main reason Kain is doing anything in the games is to restore his destiny by using Raziel, also, if Kain has gotten serious he would have just ripped out his soul or used the reaver, if you watched the beginning of the fight, when he talks to Raziel he points out "I have no intention in imprisoning you within the blade"
I can show you a portion of it, the story unfolds through several of the games, but heres the most obvious from current memory:
Watch the whole thing, at the beginning, when he arrives Kain is not interested by the fact Raziel actually is alive, then note at 5:25, "one step closer to our destinies" e.g. Kain has planned this all along.
Originally posted by Q'AniliaYou DO realize that yoda nearly killed sidious whereas galen got WTF OWNED in TFU's darkside ending right?
Very well. Yoda strained with Luke's ship. Galen brought down a Star Destroyer. Galen showed great precision when he through the Force dismantled and reassembled his lightsaber, which consist of hundreds of tiny components. A touch for detail Yoda has never shown. He could slay a rancor with his lightning. He was, like Yoda, able to see the future. The author compared him to Luke Skywalker, who's way more powerful than Yoda.Now what do you got?
Seriously, yoda has done things that galen could never hope to do, such as using the force on a planatery scale to shift the dark side aura all over dagobah and merging it into a single cave.
Oh wait i forgot how yoda was able to lift an entire mountain easily during the clonewars as well as being able to lift 2 fighter craft ships with relative ease.
You want to talk about precision? Yoda was able to make jedi holocrns, which required the maker to manipulate the force on a sub atomic scale which outclasses anything marek has done with his lightsaber(a weakling AOTC anakin skywalker could do that).
And please don't even get me started on how you think the author compared him to luke skywalker, they merely said that was what luke would have done if he trained under vader.
Luke has done things that eclipse all of galens feats, such as manipulating blackholes with the force, instantly slaying yuuzhan vong warriors with one blast of lightning and looking like he wielded 20 sabers at one time.
And starkiller NEVER brought down a star destroyer, it was merely crashing down when he made a futile attempt to stop the ship from crashing.
Originally posted by The Valiant
That's what I said (He had 8/10 of Emperor's power).
Where did you find this then?
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
You DO realize that yoda nearly killed sidious whereas galen got WTF OWNED in TFU's darkside ending right?Seriously, yoda has done things that galen could never hope to do, such as using the force on a planatery scale to shift the dark side aura all over dagobah and merging it into a single cave.
Oh wait i forgot how yoda was able to lift an entire mountain easily during the clonewars as well as being able to lift 2 fighter craft ships with relative ease.
You want to talk about precision? Yoda was able to make jedi holocrns, which required the maker to manipulate the force on a sub atomic scale which outclasses anything marek has done with his lightsaber(a weakling AOTC anakin skywalker could do that).
And please don't even get me started on how you think the author compared him to luke skywalker, they merely said that was what luke would have done if he trained under vader.
Luke has done things that eclipse all of galens feats, such as manipulating blackholes with the force, instantly slaying yuuzhan vong warriors with one blast of lightning and looking like he wielded 20 sabers at one time.
And starkiller NEVER brought down a star destroyer, it was merely crashing down when he made a futile attempt to stop the ship from crashing.
Fair enough.
You DO realize that yoda nearly killed sidious whereas galen got WTF OWNED in TFU's darkside ending right?Seriously, yoda has done things that galen could never hope to do, such as using the force on a planatery scale to shift the dark side aura all over dagobah and merging it into a single cave.
Oh wait i forgot how yoda was able to lift an entire mountain easily during the clonewars as well as being able to lift 2 fighter craft ships with relative ease.
You want to talk about precision? Yoda was able to make jedi holocrns, which required the maker to manipulate the force on a sub atomic scale which outclasses anything marek has done with his lightsaber(a weakling AOTC anakin skywalker could do that).
Why the hell isn't this in my Starkiller vs Yoda thread. Get yourself over to the SWV section.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
You DO realize that yoda nearly killed sidious whereas galen got WTF OWNED in TFU's darkside ending right?Seriously, yoda has done things that galen could never hope to do, such as using the force on a planatery scale to shift the dark side aura all over dagobah and merging it into a single cave.
Oh wait i forgot how yoda was able to lift an entire mountain easily during the clonewars as well as being able to lift 2 fighter craft ships with relative ease.
You want to talk about precision? Yoda was able to make jedi holocrns, which required the maker to manipulate the force on a sub atomic scale which outclasses anything marek has done with his lightsaber(a weakling AOTC anakin skywalker could do that).
And please don't even get me started on how you think the author compared him to luke skywalker, they merely said that was what luke would have done if he trained under vader.
Luke has done things that eclipse all of galens feats, such as manipulating blackholes with the force, instantly slaying yuuzhan vong warriors with one blast of lightning and looking like he wielded 20 sabers at one time.
And starkiller NEVER brought down a star destroyer, it was merely crashing down when he made a futile attempt to stop the ship from crashing.
This post kind kills Starkiller's chance of clearing, the thing that Galen had going for him was star destroyer feat. Yoda's broken though.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
And please don't even get me started on how you think the author compared him to luke skywalker, they merely said that was what luke would have done if he trained under vader.
That's a case of interpretation. Haden Blackman stated that Galen Marek is up in the top tier. That he's extremely powerful. He's described as the photo negative of Luke Skywalker and that he is what Luke would have become (Which from my perspective is different from "would have done"😉 but again, case of interpretation.
Blackman also claim Galen to have potentials becoming the strongest Force user ever. Galen Marek is an undeniable prodigy, which not you nor anyone else can argue.
The Star Destroyer that Galen Marek brought down was influenced by his usage of the Force, that there is no doubt about. At least if trailer and what was preformed in-game could be considered canon. Galen was also able to compress walkers into small cubes and throw an amount of rancor beasts with the Force as if they were pebbles and his Force pushes shred buildings.
He might not be Yoda in terms of power, but he's not exactly a weak case in the Force.
Originally posted by Obsidian FuryHaden blackman doesn't decide whats canon nor does he establishes. The officials do at LFL.
That's a case of interpretation. Haden Blackman stated that Galen Marek is up in the top tier. That he's extremely powerful. He's described as the photo negative of Luke Skywalker and that he is what Luke would have [b]become (Which from my perspective is different from "would have done"😉 but again, case of interpretation.
Blackman also claim Galen to have potentials becoming the strongest Force user ever. Galen Marek is an undeniable prodigy, which not you nor anyone else can argue.
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George lucas himself stated that anakin would have been the most powerful force user EVER had he not sustained his injuries on mustafar.
George lucas canon > haden blackmans.
Its true that hes an undeniable prodigy, but don't believe claims by blackman that he is potentially the most powerful force user ever when higher canon sources stated otherwise.
And don't even get me started on how you think he is potentially the most powerful force user ever, you must have never read Dark Empire where it shows palpatine at his prime(like you know, whose mere presence was able to turn a "lush and fertile world" into one of the most powerful dark side enriched planets in the galaxy)
Originally posted by Obsidian FuryWhat is performed in game isn't canon, gameplay mechanics aren't canon at all. Hell by going by gameplay mechanics people like han solo could easily shoot down and topple ATAT's with ease when in SW reality he can't.
The Star Destroyer that Galen Marek brought down was influenced by his usage of the Force, that there is no doubt about. At least if trailer and what was preformed in-game could be considered canon. Galen was also able to compress walkers into small cubes and throw an amount of rancor beasts with the Force as if they were pebbles and his Force pushes shred buildings.
And please do read the novel and comic, galen tried to use the force to stop the destroyer from crashing but his attempt was futile.
And hell palpatine was able to lift a super star destroyer and at the same time mind wipe almost the entire population of coruscant at the same time making them forget that theres a SSD beneth coruscants landscape, that alone refutes any claims that starkiller is potentially the most powerful force user ever.
Hell when he tried to turn on palpatine in the DS ending palpatine literally beats his ass without even getting a scrath on himself and then proceeds to grab a starship and crush galen with it.
Originally posted by Obsidian FuryNobody is claiming that except the other ignorant members, he STILL can beat the vast majority of the combatants listed here, but he isn't as powerful as some people blindly believe he is.
He might not be Yoda in terms of power, but he's not exactly a weak case in the Force.
That's exactly what I am saying, Nephthys.
Mediclorians reside in the body. If two people have the same concentration of mediclorians in their bodies, but one man has a larger body, he will be the man with the stronger influence over the Force.
That being said, every time Anakin lost his limbs, he lost a great deal of mediclorians, making him weaker in the Force. Although he mostly machine as Darth Vader, because Anakin is the Chosen One and has a mediclorian concentration that is "off the charts", he is still formidable in the Force.