Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Fact 1. The rock is INTENDED to be really freakin' heavy, it's intentionally huge and made of heavy material. Nintendo's not stupid, they probably don't care how much it really does weigh, but the cutscene intentionally pans around the stone to show it's girth as Link [b[b]throws it. The lowest POSSIBLE number that could come out for that stone is 1100 tons, and that's not the entire stone, I left out a section of it to be even more conservative.
It IS canon he threw it. It was a feat of impressive strength by the devloper's design. all you have is crying toon force, when it's clearly not toon force. Let's say for my own amusement Link's only a 100 tonner, Ganon's still far too durable to be physicly harmed by Kain.And no durability feats for Ganon? LOL. Exploding castles, swords through the face with no death?
Fact 2. BT. Kain has complete regulation of magic in Nosgoth. your own quote betrays you. [/B]
Fact 1. The only fact within this is that he tossed it, the actual figuires are from you and you alone based on what exactley? their still your deductions, not nintendos, the developers likely did not even evaluate or take into account the rocks weight.
He was not physical while in that castle, he had already been douched...as usual...And swords through the face is not durability, his skin was pierced right through.
Fact 2. This fact only shows you cannot read, I wont even point out your mistake yet, lets just say theres diffrence between someones role and a limit.
Fact 2. This fact only shows you cannot read, I wont even point out your mistake yet, lets just say theres diffrence between someones role and a limit.
Furthermore, if the rock's stated to be granite, [It is, so whether Nintendo did the the math or not, it's granite.] and I math is as lighter than granite, and don't even factor in the entire rock.. The number is smaller? So they're not my own deductions, they're facts that I TONED DOWN. And yet you nitpick because you don't like it.
And surviving a sword into the face without any debilitation whatsoever? That's either durability or.. what?
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
You're aware that regulation is a multi-meaning word, right?
Weve been through the word meanings before, most if not all work in kains favour when taken into context with the game. almost every definition is based around govern and control.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Fact 3. There's a difference between a fair assumption and a no limits fallacy.Furthermore, if the rock's stated to be granite, [It is, so whether Nintendo did the the math or not, it's granite.] and I math is as lighter than granite, and don't even factor in the entire rock.. The number is smaller? So they're not my own deductions, they're facts that I TONED DOWN. And yet you nitpick because you don't like it.
And surviving a sword into the face without any debilitation whatsoever? That's either durability or.. what?
Yes there is, although if there really is no limit, then it cannot be a fallacy.
Can I see where its stated to be granite please....And how am I supposed to know if your Math is correct or not? or if youve taken in all the variables required to work out the exact weight of the rock or even lighter? I am no mathematician, so for all I know ,you could be talking bullshit.
Check the Link respect thread, it's on the first page with links to appropriate information and step by step mathematics, I showed my work, Nemebro checked it with his own calculator.
The statement is in the official Nintendo guide for Ocarina of Time.
Edit: down rounding the math shown there = 1000 tons for less than the entire stone, which btw he threw. Throwing something like that would take far more strength thsan simply lifting it. If you want to see some math for that, I can provide it? It puts Link well above 1000 tonnage.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Weve been through the word meanings before, most if not all work in kains favour when taken into context with the game. almost every definition is based around govern and control.
Sure, being able to regulate magic is not a bad thing. Of course it works in his favor. It's not like it works against him. I'm guessing you are using the sempiternal omnipotent meaning while those that debate against you use the circumscriptive elemental meaning?
Is there anything backing either up more than the other?
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Sure, being able to regulate magic is not a bad thing. Of course it works in his favor. It's not like it works against him. I'm guessing you are using the sempiternal omnipotent meaning while those that debate against you use the circumscriptive elemental meaning?Is there anything backing either up more than the other?
He takes it to mean no limits fallacy.
I wonder looking at what you wrote whether or not those Gauntlets are even canon or recurring items Link would typically get in a VS. The same arguments still stand however, the event may not even be canon itself and toonforce can remain. Also I thought you claimed it was a cutscene, all I saw in the video was gameplay.
So its not actually the best source of information.....and I cant actually see this guide can i, especially since I am not going to go and buy it or go looking for it myself to see if its in there.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Sure, being able to regulate magic is not a bad thing. Of course it works in his favor. It's not like it works against him. I'm guessing you are using the sempiternal omnipotent meaning while those that debate against you use the circumscriptive elemental meaning?Is there anything backing either up more than the other?
Where is the defintion for the Circumscriptive elemental meaning? the only defintions I see are those based around how regulation is like a governing rule.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He takes it to mean no limits fallacy.
Regulation is without limit because its the regulator who sets those limits.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Still claiming toonforce. And no, when Link picks up the stone gameplay stops and there's a brief cutscene. And the gauntlets are canon, you need them to beat the game, and this isn't a Link vs thread, but even so, they apply there too because it's Canon.Also, no limits fallacy.
Well unfortunatley, there is toonforce in the LOZ. You only need them to get past that rock which is a gameplay limit, in canon, if link was as strong as you assume with those gauntlets he could carve his way through the mountain instead. And all you see is link tossing a rock, just because the player is not moving (his character is already making the action) does not make it a cutscene.
The book may not actually be canon either, is it stated somewhere that everything found in the book is offical lore?
It's the official Nintendo guide.
And there's no toonforce in LoZ, one Goron bouncing on lava in a seperate game A isn't toonforce because nothing was achieved by the supposed 'force' in toon force, and B doesn't discredit all the other feats set up here. Link's never used toonforce to achieve anything in any game.
And no, it's a 30 MB cartridge game on the N64, I'm sorry but the gameplay won't support your ridiculous ideas, which would break gameplay and kill the fun. 😐
Originally posted by Burning thought
Where is the defintion for the Circumscriptive elemental meaning? the only defintions I see are those based around how regulation is like a governing rule.Regulation is without limit because its the regulator who sets those limits.
What has Kain or previous guardians done that makes you certain this is the proper definition?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's the [b]official Nintendo guide.And there's no toonforce in LoZ, one Goron bouncing on lava in a seperate game A isn't toonforce because nothing was achieved by the supposed 'force' in toon force, and B doesn't discredit all the other feats set up here. Link's never used toonforce to achieve anything in any game.
And no, it's a 30 MB cartridge game on the N64, I'm sorry but the gameplay won't support your ridiculous ideas, which would break gameplay and kill the fun. 😐 [/B]
Being official does not mean anything, all it means is that its the actual guide developed to help players through the game by Nintendo, that does not mean that every description is actually canon to the lore of the game.
No it just shows Link is seen as a Toon by his own developers and therefore can do Toon feats or "humorous funnies!" for younger audiences to enjoy such as bouncing Gorons.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
What has Kain or previous guardians done that makes you certain this is the proper definition?
What are you asking exactly? you did not dig up that definition I asked of you, perhaps because it does not exist, when you look at definitions they are all based around law, government and rule setting, the only definition that is not is:
1. The act of regulating or the state of being regulated.
2. A principle, rule, or law designed to control or govern conduct.
3. A governmental order having the force of law. Also called executive order.
4. Embryology The capacity of an embryo to continue normal development following injury to or alteration of a structure.
5. Sports The standard playing period for a timed game, prior to overtime or a shootout.
Considering the Guardians are not birth controllers or sport referees the other definitions of regulation are the the canon by default.
Originally posted by Burning thought
What are you asking exactly? you did not dig up that definition I asked of you, perhaps because it does not exist, when you look at definitions they are all based around law, government and rule setting, the only definition that is not is:Considering the Guardians are not birth controllers or sport referees the other definitions of regulation are the the canon by default.
Your right. I'm lying my tongue green just because I can't stand you being right. You got me there.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Your right. I'm lying my tongue green just because I can't stand you being right. You got me there.
I thought so.
Originally posted by SuperLuigi
you dont have an argument thats while you made the tearing through mountain statement. you claimed toon force as a way to save kain from his beat down at the hands of ganondorf.
You can give Ganondorf infnite strength and durability if you like, it wont help him against Kain....Toonforce excists in LOZ, therefore I can bring it up any time I like for suspicious feats, especially when they are not actually directly stated by developers either.