BT, that's just nonsense. Zant has no powers outside of the ones that Ganon gave him. Midna is the only person of the Twilight that uses the magic of their tribe. Everything that Zant can do, he can do because Ganon let him.
Your Respect Kain thread didn't say much about any of the pillars/emblems. Can you tell me a bit more about the Balance emblem?
Originally posted by Burning thought1. Humans in fiction are not held by the same restraints as they are in reality, this is such basic fvcking logic. And humans did not succeed over the Hylians, the Hylians are just a dying breed after the Great Flood in which most died. Also, I cannot believe I forgot to bring this up. Stupidity on my part. Link in Twilight Princess has the Triforce of Courage, THAT is what gives him his immense(and consistant) strength, it is also what protected him from the Twilight Magic that affects souls. There is one toonforce feat. One. And it was not even a feat. Just a little animation. In all the Zelda games that is the only one you will find. Link consistently in TP portrayed immense superhuman strength, being able to throw normal-sized Gorons out of a ring and then able to throw a much larger one. Being able to stop a charging ram(that was the size of a bull at least) and toss it to the ground, hell, being able to even clash with Ganon(Although Ganon was weakened a bit from constant fighting). Inconsistant with the rest of the game after that? The rest of the five minutes after the game? There was like five minutes after getting those, most of the game being a fight with the most powerful entity in LoZ short of the Goddesses. Oh, and going by your logic...If Kain can lift 30 tons as you say...Why does he have to go mist to get through iron bars when he should be able to just knock them down? Why does he not just tackle through the stone, castle walls he infiltrated in the beginning of Defiance? Yeah, shut up.
1. It means everything. humans are not attributed any incredible attributes and from reading their LOZ wiki articles, Link is often refered to as human, in fact humans succeed over the Hylians in the storyline or so it says, fact is, by actual canon of the characters and their limits, their nothing more than actual humans, considering toonforce exists in the game, this further solidifies the fact that any of links major feats, certainly those that are not empowered by a sort of item or power are merely toonforce/game play fun. The golden gauntlets are inconsistent with the rest of the game after that, tossing that granite was the only impressive thing ive seen from them, other than that, he has shown me that his strength cannot be that great considering the physics of the world.1. So you assume and speculate on soul resistances.....just because hes going to fight Hades in GOW 3...thats a mighty basis....
So size is important on what Ganon can seal? I like how this is not mentioned before.
2. I claimed that Sephiroth has no plans when fighting Cloud, the fact he uses Cloud in Disc 2 has no baring on my point and argument which was unlike Kain, Sephiroth has no reason to let Cloud live in AC or in their major battles.
2. I think he actually uses those chain blades that rip souls on Kratos in the fight. Yeah.
Of course it would be. It is the transportation of a physical object to another place, he has not done it to anything near that size. Not like anyone but him and Kiljaedan are that large anyway.
3. If that is indeed what you claimed I apologise and admit that.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Of course it would be. It is the transportation of a physical object to another place, he has not done it to anything near that size. Not like anyone but him and Kiljaedan are that large anyway.
It'd be an awesome sight if it's some portal or something and it was attempted to suck Kil'Jaeden into it and he ended up too big and got stuck with his butt in the portal 😛
Eh ...
I don't know what you're talking about. I just had this image pop up in my head. Don't know how whichever ability you're talking about works 😛
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
It'd be an awesome sight if it's some portal or something and it was attempted to suck Kil'Jaeden into it and he ended up too big and got stuck with his butt in the portal 😛Eh ...
I don't know what you're talking about. I just had this image pop up in my head. Don't know how whichever ability you're talking about works 😛
Somebody get the man some butter or Vaseline.
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Humans in fiction are not held by the same restraints as they are in reality, this is such basic fvcking logic. And humans did not succeed over the Hylians, the Hylians are just a dying breed after the Great Flood in which most died. Also, I cannot believe I forgot to bring this up. Stupidity on my part. Link in Twilight Princess has the Triforce of Courage, THAT is what gives him his immense(and consistant) strength, it is also what protected him from the Twilight Magic that affects souls. There is one toonforce feat. One. And it was not even a feat. Just a little animation. In all the Zelda games that is the only one you will find. Link consistently in TP portrayed immense superhuman strength, being able to throw normal-sized Gorons out of a ring and then able to throw a much larger one. Being able to stop a charging ram(that was the size of a bull at least) and toss it to the ground, hell, being able to even clash with Ganon(Although Ganon was weakened a bit from constant fighting). Inconsistant with the rest of the game after that? The rest of the five minutes after the game? There was like five minutes after getting those, most of the game being a fight with the most powerful entity in LoZ short of the Goddesses. Oh, and going by your logic...If Kain can lift 30 tons as you say...Why does he have to go mist to get through iron bars when he should be able to just knock them down? Why does he not just tackle through the stone, castle walls he infiltrated in the beginning of Defiance? Yeah, shut up.2. I think he actually uses those chain blades that rip souls on Kratos in the fight. Yeah.
Of course it would be. It is the transportation of a physical object to another place, he has not done it to anything near that size. Not like anyone but him and Kiljaedan are that large anyway.
3. If that is indeed what you claimed I apologise and admit that.
Humans in fiction? what fiction? you cant just assume just because its a fiction humans are automatically superior to real humans, the fiction itself would have to point that out, and from what ive seen, LOZ does not. And does it actually state the degree of the triforce of courage? The only toonforce feat I would find likely because I dont actually get to see any evidence.
I would like to see this charging ram feat myself.
The rest of the series I was refering to, does he ever have those gauntlets elseware in the games? if not then they are not actually a consistant item throughout the series anyway.
That hardly compares really, Kain can quickly and nigh instantly pass through such gates wheras Link has to do a lot of gain half the items, then use them on enemies. He has to negotiate far vaster regions that he could have done quicker by smashing through the obstacles than Kains one or two gates that he can quickly get through anyway.
2. He may use them but we cannot assume that in canon they actually hit him and he shrugs off their soul taking effect, although tbh thats not the same type of resistance as you would need to stop your soul from being taken by Kains or perhaps Ganon means.
Now ive seen the seal, its obvious to me that what your saying makes sense, the portal itself is tiny and would hardly acquire any of the characters in this matchup if they did not want it.
3. Fair enough
The powerful TK from your fanfiction you mean, Kain will not stand 20 seconds above that seal, unlike Ganons already destroyed creation. Its likely Ganon cannot even trap beings not of his own creation in this portal, has he ever traped an entity not of his make in here?
Irrelvent question tbh mainly because no combatant in this gauntlet would possibly get near it, let alone stand 20 seconds over it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I was countering your "link is a 1000 tonner" nonsense and youve not provided much of anything to this debate at all, youve just constantly said the same thing over and over again without evidence.
Pot, kettle?
And lol, you have a hard time accepting canon, eh BT? Stop trying to downplay Ganon's durability. I have proof of Link's strength, and if I'm wrong, Link is stronger. All you've done is cry toonforce.
Fact 1. The rock is INTENDED to be really freakin' heavy, it's intentionally huge and made of heavy material. Nintendo's not stupid, they probably don't care how much it really does weigh, but the cutscene intentionally pans around the stone to show it's girth as Link [bthrows it. The lowest POSSIBLE number that could come out for that stone is 1100 tons, and that's not the entire stone, I left out a section of it to be even more conservative.
It IS canon he threw it. It was a feat of impressive strength by the devloper's design. all you have is crying toon force, when it's clearly not toon force. Let's say for my own amusement Link's only a 100 tonner, Ganon's still far too durable to be physicly harmed by Kain.
And no durability feats for Ganon? LOL. Exploding castles, swords through the face with no death?
Fact 2. BT. Kain has complete regulation of magic in Nosgoth. your own quote betrays you.