Nothing proved anything lol, you proved your baseless theories are a load of bullshit, Lllinnk proved that Ganons seal is a pathetic small portal on the ground that could never take Kratos because of size as well as the fact all of them are not going to stand over the portal for 20+ seconds and you proved Ganon has no actual TK feat, Durability feat or Teleportation and that most of Ganons hype is fanfiction.
Sephiroth is too quick for Ganon and slashes him in one hit, or blade beams him like he does with the Cannon or he could just knock his head into the ground until it caves in.
Kratos would just slap him and he would splatter. Kain would teleport next to him, slow him in time then rip out his soul or blood shower him.
Malek? I need not say more really, Ganon implodes from the force
Kil'jaeden wouldnt even try.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ganon gets to Kil'Jaeden, now we need info on Kil'Jaeden to argue THAT, and see whether Ganon can clear.
Good luck on that 😛 You'll have to dig up more theories than a Sephiroth fanboy 😊 One of the few things we know about Kil'Jaeden is that he is a sucker for souls and is at least the size of a mountain.
No TK? LOL! He only levitates and busts entire castles.
No Teleporting? further lolz. Ganon teleports all through the series, you're a fool 😐
and no, the portal opens instantly, Ganon took his time lowering the phantom in. He could easily TK someone in very quickly, and there's no mention of how big a portal he can create. We do know he can overlap entire dimensions, so to think the largest portal he can make is ten feet across is laughable.
You've proved nothing except that you're not ready to stop clinging to Kain like a security blanket yet.
Can we debate Kil'Jaeden now, as that's the fight that's in actual doubt?
Furthermore, lol, you actually think Sephiroth can hurt Ganon? Wow. You're just bitter, I guess.
@Q. So most of Kil'Jaeden is like.. unknown and speculated? He's just huge and eats souls? o.O that's kind of hard to debate.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No TK? LOL! He only levitates and busts entire castles.No Teleporting? further lolz. Ganon teleports all through the series, you're a fool 😐
and no, the portal opens instantly, Ganon took his time lowering the phantom in. He could easily TK someone in very quickly, and there's no mention of how big a portal he can create. We do know he can overlap entire dimensions, so to think the largest portal he can make is ten feet across is laughable.
You've proved nothing except that you're not ready to stop clinging to Kain like a security blanket yet.
Can we debate Kil'Jaeden now, as that's the fight that's in actual doubt?
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Self idolising blabber from a young child who cannot debate....
BT waits until Nemebro comes back, perhaps he will debate.....or someone more promising?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
@Q. So most of Kil'Jaeden is like.. unknown and speculated? He's just huge and eats souls? o.O that's kind of hard to debate.
Kil'Jaeden is the second most powerful in the Burning Legion, only surpassed by Sargeras himself. Throughout history Kil'Jaeden has rarely gotten his own hands dirty, much rather having sent soldiers of his to do his bidding. He rely on deception and illusions. He takes knowledge from the minds of his future victims and manipulate them to do his bidding rather than killing them, and is an indirect commander who sits back and observes the show.
It's specified though that assuming his deceptive and illusion tricks and spells to be the limits of his power is a grave mistake. He can shapeshift, both in size and form to suit that particular situation better. He's also declared more powerful than Archimonde and his magical powers are limited only by his own mind.
But he only has about a handfew actual combat feats 😛 So he is not kind of hard to debate, but rather very hard to debate.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Sephiroth is too quick for Ganon and slashes him in one hit, or blade beams him like he does with the Cannon or he could just knock his head into the ground until it caves in.Kratos would just slap him and he would splatter. Kain would teleport next to him, slow him in time then rip out his soul or blood shower him.
Malek? I need not say more really, Ganon implodes from the force
Kil'jaeden wouldnt even try.
1. lol one hit
2. lol slap
3. lol kain
4. lol please say more
5. lol then he would die faster
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Debating difficulty noted. In that case I'm sticking to my "Idunno."
Factors that should be taken in consideration:
- The size of a mountain.
- Ripped Ner'Zhuls soul out.
- Fire, lightning, shadow and arcane magic.
- Able to create a reflection of his opponent with physical and spell equality.
- He can summon meteors.
The three latter should be taken lightly. They are factors from the in-game encounter.
Originally posted by Burning thought
A mountain that can rip out souls....."Ganon throwz an apple with the force of a meteors and splatters kiljaeden!"
Although in all seriousness
Kiljaeden would just use any one of his spells ,or just punch Ganon into the ground.
I guess he could become Ganon's size and fight him hand to hand just for the show.
Originally posted by Burning thought1. But we should assume that simply being human means they are subject to our same limitations? Although this is a moot point anyway, he performs his feats of strength with unnatural means anyway. The degree of the Triforce of Courage? What the hell are you talking about? As for being the only toonforce feat thing...You are asking me to bring evidence that would not be beneficial to my argument at all...Dude naw.
Humans in fiction? what fiction? you cant just assume just because its a fiction humans are automatically superior to real humans, the fiction itself would have to point that out, and from what ive seen, LOZ does not. And does it actually state the degree of the triforce of courage? The only toonforce feat I would find likely because I dont actually get to see any evidence.I would like to see this charging ram feat myself.
The rest of the series I was refering to, does he ever have those gauntlets elseware in the games? if not then they are not actually a consistant item throughout the series anyway.
That hardly compares really, Kain can quickly and nigh instantly pass through such gates wheras Link has to do a lot of gain half the items, then use them on enemies. He has to negotiate far vaster regions that he could have done quicker by smashing through the obstacles than Kains one or two gates that he can quickly get through anyway.
2. He may use them but we cannot assume that in canon they actually hit him and he shrugs off their soul taking effect, although tbh thats not the same type of resistance as you would need to stop your soul from being taken by Kains or perhaps Ganon means.
Now ive seen the seal, its obvious to me that what your saying makes sense, the portal itself is tiny and would hardly acquire any of the characters in this matchup if they did not want it.
3. Fair enough
2. ...Dude I am not going to search through hours of Youtube videos to look for a vid showing Link doing something that was not relevant to the plot at all.
3. Wait, what? Lol are you serious? You are aware that it is a completely different Link with different abilities and items in every Zelda game right(barring a few exceptions)? In canon, Link only had those Gauntlets for 5-10 minutes, he then returned the Master Sword to its pedestal, never wearing the gauntlets again considering he did not have them in Majora's Mask, the canonical sequel to Ocarina of Time.
4. And he gained all of them without that strength, the Golden Gauntlets, they were the final items he received.
5. Possibly.
It was a portal which has been shown to devour human(albeit an extremely large one) sized enemies, it would not work on anything larger.