Ganondorf runs a gauntlet.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Kil'Jaeden doesn't have anything special to get him out of dimensions, basically he is an incredibly potent magician demon.

If there is no limit on Ganondorfs Dimension Seal ability, then he could seal them all away.

Not without someone helping him.

Kil'Jaeden cross dimensions all the time. He even entered the realm of spirits. He has ripped open the Twisting Nether and not even used a shadow of his true powers yet.

He can do it without help. He couldn't enter Azeroth without help, that's all. Azeroth is not some regular system anyone can just walk into. It's shielded by the barrier of the Pantheon. Not even Sargeras could breach Azeroth with extremely excessive spellweaving.

Kain can cross dimensions as well, theres no way Ganon could beat Kain in any form, certainly not one who can be harmed physically.

I should have made this thread a poll.

About Kil'jaeden crossing dimensions: what Q said.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain can cross dimensions as well, theres no way Ganon could beat Kain in any form, certainly not one who can be harmed physically.

We know.

Then Kiljaeden need not even be mentioned, we also know he can wipe Ganon out handily too.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Then Kiljaeden need not even be mentioned, we also know he can wipe Ganon out handily too.

Should.

Lol, BT, I want to hear this, how would Kain beat Ganon?

[Apologies to everyone else in this thread, but admit it, this has to be good.]

Most of his powers could defeat Ganon, any of his soul destroying powers, his lightning storm would fck him up, his time bolts and any speed advantage anyone may think he has over Kain would be elminated immedialtey through either Kains teleportation or his AOE time powers to slow ganon to a crawl.

what does Ganon have to possibly even harm Kain? hell even hit him for that matter?

Lol, you're kidding right? Ganon possesses Kain, and makes him rip his own head off.

Soul destroying? No limits fallacy, I see, this assumes he can destroy any soul, Ganon's soul is far from your garden variety flesh inhabiting soul. Without any form of body Ganon is still more powerful than Kain.

Lightning? This falls under the 'don't start wars you can't win' category.

Slow him down, that'll really help once he TK's Kain.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol, you're kidding right? Ganon possesses Kain, and makes him rip his own head off.

Soul destroying? No limits fallacy, I see, this assumes he can destroy any soul, Ganon's soul is far from your garden variety flesh inhabiting soul. Without any form of body Ganon is still more powerful than Kain.

Lightning? This falls under the 'don't start wars you can't win' category.

Slow him down, that'll really help once he TK's Kain.

Or the other way round, not that Ganon could ever possess Kain, whats he ever done with his possession? what has it worked on?

Not a fallacy at all, does Ganon have soul protection or not? simple question...

Ganons highest durability feat is?

erm, TK's Kain? apart from the fact Kain could easily do the same ot ganon, Kain could easily just teleport or mist to escape, Ganon cannot mist and ive not seen his teleport if he has one at all, all Kain has to do is teleport next to Ganon while his time slow is in effect then send incapaciation, a time freezing bolt into Ganon, making him a statue.....screwed...

Originally posted by Burning thought
Or the other way round, not that Ganon could ever possess Kain, whats he ever done with his possession? what has it worked on?

Not a fallacy at all, does Ganon have soul protection or not? simple question...

Ganons highest durability feat is?

erm, TK's Kain? apart from the fact Kain could easily do the same ot ganon, Kain could easily just teleport or mist to escape, Ganon cannot mist and ive not seen his teleport if he has one at all, all Kain has to do is teleport next to Ganon while his time slow is in effect then send incapaciation, a time freezing bolt into Ganon, making him a statue.....screwed...

Yes Ganon's soul is protected.

He's possessed another being with the power of one of the three deities of Hyrule.

Ganon's highest durability feat, lemme see. Surviving castle explosions totally unharmed, surviving his own anathema through his skull without being disabled, KO'd, or otherwise incapacitated. There's no way Kain can even hurt Ganondorf, lol.

Incapacitation bolt has to get through Ganon's defenses, he's shown to be able to block such things, including light arrows, sorry. And even then, it's not stopping Ganon.

Seriously, Kain vs Ganon is spite, Kain has no chance, lol.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Or the other way round, not that Ganon could ever possess Kain, whats he ever done with his possession? what has it worked on?

Not a fallacy at all, does Ganon have soul protection or not? simple question...

Ganons highest durability feat is?

erm, TK's Kain? apart from the fact Kain could easily do the same ot ganon, Kain could easily just teleport or mist to escape, Ganon cannot mist and ive not seen his teleport if he has one at all, all Kain has to do is teleport next to Ganon while his time slow is in effect then send incapaciation, a time freezing bolt into Ganon, making him a statue.....screwed...

2. Considering Ganon's own soul powers are greater than Kain's and he can use them with a thought, this point is irrelevant.

3. Surviving multiple hits from the Master Sword and Light Arrows without a scratch, the Light Arrows disintegrate anything that is not Ganon.

4. Problem is Ganon's TK is far greater than Kain's, holding up his castle and even Zant, who possesses a minute fraction of Ganon's power, easily TK held Link and Midna, and repelled the most powerful Light Spirit in Hyrule with a thought. Yes, Ganon can do this with a thought.

He didn't even need to think to keep his castle levitated.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ganon can teleport freely, instantly and without limit. He can discorporate at will, but is strong enough that Kain's TK won't even effect him. If Kain tries to "mist" out, he'll still be trapped in TK, and he can still be harmed in mist form, well played.

Yes Ganon's soul is protected.

He's possessed another being with the power of one of the three deities of Hyrule.

Ganon's highest durability feat, lemme see. Surviving castle explosions totally unharmed, surviving his own anathema through his skull without being disabled, KO'd, or otherwise incapacitated. There's no way Kain can even hurt Ganondorf, lol.

Incapacitation bolt has to get through Ganon's defenses, he's shown to be able to block such things, including light arrows, sorry. And even then, it's not stopping Ganon.

Seriously, Kain vs Ganon is spite, Kain has no chance, lol.

Show me. and hes not strong enough. If kain is mist he wont be trapped unless Ganon has held vapour, show me...

by what? show me this protection, what has it protected against?

And Kain is protected against possession, Marcus could not control his mind and this was young Kain.

Ive seen it, all it was, was some dragon flame that ive not seen the strength of to gauge, and some rubble from his castle falling on him, hardly as powerful as Kains lightning.

Its a bolt of energy, if he tries to block it, he will be hitting it, thus freezing himself, and you did not read my post, I said while he is slowed in time.

If you said the reverse you would be correct.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. He possessed Zelda and made her fight Link. And besides, Kain has never shown resistance to such a power.

2. Considering Ganon's own soul powers are greater than Kain's and he can use them with a thought, this point is irrelevant.

3. Surviving multiple hits from the Master Sword and Light Arrows without a scratch, the Light Arrows disintegrate anything that is not Ganon.

4. Problem is Ganon's TK is far greater than Kain's, holding up his castle and even Zant, who possesses a minute fraction of Ganon's power, easily TK held Link and Midna, and repelled the most powerful Light Spirit in Hyrule with a thought. Yes, Ganon can do this with a thought.

1. Hes shown resistance to having his mind taken control, what form does Ganons possession take? show me him possessing.

2.Not really, explain and provide proof of these claims.

3. What have they disintegrated? their just arrows of light created to defeat evil, weaker than actual blasts of lightnig from the heavens that can splatter beings.

4. provide evidence please of the castle feat and ability to use with a thought.

This still does not change the fact Kain would be invulerable to Ganon in mist form, Kain cannot be defeated by Ganon still, Ganon i still vulerable to mind powers, soul powers, time powers, most of which Ganon could not stop because Kain merely has to teleport next to him for it to take effect, thus the beauty of Duration based Auras.

1. He discorporates and enters their body, puppeting them from the inside.

2. I'm at skool so I can't get to any good sites, I'll do it later, the point stands, maybe Nemebro will do it, he seemed happy to steal my job as the forum math-wiz. Fvcker. <3

3. Normal people survive lightning all the time, light arrows consistently disintegrate anything they hit in LoZ. A light arrow would one shot Kain, fyi.

4. Evidence of the castle feat? Go to youtube, [I can't] and type in 'OoT Ganon's castle', Any video you find should show a massive castle floating above a pit in the ground filled with lava. Ganon doesn't even need to think about it to maintain the effect, and later on collapses the castle.

Edit: 5. Kain would not be invulnerable to Ganon in mist form, Kain can be hurt in this form. Show me these Aura's helping Kain against an enemy even close to Ganon's power. [I don't think any exist in the Blood Omen universe, but I have a feeling there are beings that aren't effected by some of Kain's powers].

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. He discorporates and enters their body, puppeting them from the inside.

2. I'm at skool so I can't get to any good sites, I'll do it later, the point stands, maybe Nemebro will do it, he seemed happy to steal my job as the forum math-wiz. Fvcker. <3

3. Normal people survive lightning all the time, light arrows consistently disintegrate anything they hit in LoZ. A light arrow would one shot Kain, fyi.

4. Evidence of the castle feat? Go to youtube, [I can't] and type in 'OoT Ganon's castle', Any video you find should show a massive castle floating above a pit in the ground filled with lava. Ganon doesn't even need to think about it to maintain the effect, and later on collapses the castle.

1. So its actually a physical movement? he actually has to enter Kains body? lol.......he would end up losing his soul pretty quick, especially if he has no physical form..

2. k

3. normal people survive normal lightning you mean....lol a light arrow probably would not even harm Kain, hes not evil afterall, not to mention one would not hit him anyway.

4. But I need evidence of him actually the one keeping the castle levitated, evidance that it is his power, that it is actually TK.

5. No, Kain can be hurt in the mist Shroud form, which hides Kain in the mist, its a BO2 move specific to that series. Ganon would require resistance to time to survive the aura, sincehe does not have this resistance, he is immedialtey screwed against Kain.

Lemme see, the castle used to be in the ground when it belonged to The Hyrulian royal family, then you come back after he takes it over, and it's levitating above the pit in the ground that Ganon tore it out of, what else could do that?

Edit; so what you're saying is if Ganon tore up a chunk of the earth's crust and TK'd Kain's mist form into the lava beneath, Kain'd be fine? =P Sorry, but I doubt this.

1. Lol at Kain stealing Ganon's soul. Kain'd get puppeted.

2. k.

3. A light arrow is outside Kain's proven reaction time, sorry. =P

4. See above.

5. See above.

Does not mean he is using TK or any other force, maybe he used a spell that took him days to cast to create the levitation, do you actually know for a fact what he uses to keep it leviated? is it stated in the game or are you assuming?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

Edit; so what you're saying is if Ganon tore up a chunk of the earth's crust and TK'd Kain's mist form into the lava beneath, Kain'd be fine? =P Sorry, but I doubt this.

1. Lol at Kain stealing Ganon's soul. Kain'd get puppeted.

2. k.

3. A light arrow is outside Kain's proven reaction time, sorry. =P

4. See above.

5. See above.

Edit: tore up a chunk of the earths crust? lol.....that immedialtey made this edit a joke but ill humour you, Kain is mist, first and foremost, you would have to prove Ganon can even TK vapour in the first place, which I highly doubt and I doubt mist in lava would do anything, maybe dispurse it into even more mist...makes no diffrence to Kain, not that Ganon could TK him while in mist form.

1. Thats just a troll statement, you did not make an argument or counter argument to my own.

3. But not outside the reaction time of the one drawring the weapon that fires it.

4. see above

5.see above

Here's my win for the night.

Ganon can create teleport proof prisons as seen in every game ever, Zelda who can teleport at will is held helpless inside of jewel shaped prisons which Ganon can create at will. Oh noez, Kain turned into mist inside his bubble, isn't that cute? Then in an instant, Ganon drops the bubble and zaps the crap out of Kain before he can react. Lightning? Kain's lightning < Ganon's lightning.

And no, blocking a bolt doesn't meant it hits him, it means Ganon stopped it harmlessly, he can do it to a light arrow, which outpowers anything Kain has, and is anathema to Ganon, and he can stop it harmlessly.