Kain can teleport so instantly Ganons TK is worthless.
Show me proof of G-dorfs TK feats.
This argument is over because you cannot provide any evidence and when you actually do its a joke, its just something youve hyped up with general statements, for example this apprent seal, I was hoping for some near instant gesture or a quick flash but a 20 second delay? joke....
Have you even shown Ganondorfs teleport?
Originally posted by Burning thought
The proof has already been provided, especially to Screampaste and others in this thread for everything I have said.
You've not proved anything. You've theorized.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain can teleport so instantly Ganons TK is worthless.
3:35. There's nothing instant about it.
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
You've not proved anything. You've theorized.3:35. There's nothing instant about it.
Point out a theory? this should be good....
Thats only one way of teleportation, I was thinking of the dimentional variant, but this one is quicker than the one you displayed:
5.35
Prob took about 0.40 odd seconds, quick enough to move before Ganon can do anything worth doing.
1.08
Dimentional port as shown above is quicker and allows many teleports in quick succession.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Point out a theory? this should be good....Prob took about 0.40 odd seconds, quick enough to move before Ganon can do anything worth doing.
Dimentional port as shown above is quicker and allows many teleports in quick succession.
- Most recent theory?
Originally posted by Burning thought
He would just open up his portal and teleport to another dimension
- 1.44 seconds but close enough. He was also silent for about 2 seconds before actually vanishing, implicating possible requirement of focus.
- That move require him to charge up first, before ending up teleporting short distances.
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
- Most recent theory?- 1.44 seconds but close enough. He was also silent for about 2 seconds before actually vanishing, implicating possible requirement of focus.
- That move require him to charge up first, before ending up teleporting short distances.
Thats not really a theory, just an estimation which is why I said "probably" since the exact time is unkown, it was less than a second and youtube does not deal in that timing and it would be hard to count anyway. Although by such a crude answer I imagine its amusing to say that you probably cannot point out what your claiming "theory". List the theories your suggesting I am making in this thread and I will try and teach you how they are not.
False, less than a second, you are probably counting extra time that does not excist, count the actual seconds from starting to phase then being gone, when are you counting from, to when?
For example at 5.35 he starts to fade, just before 5.36 he is gone.
Charge up? did you watch the video? all he did was in a split second went green and he was away. Too quick for Ganon to react to and furthermore he wouldnt be able to react to nothing, since he does not know where kain will be, not that its relevent, he will appear and the time aura will slow Ganon making Ganon useless.
Or lets suggest Ganon is a speedster and can react to Kain somehow doing this and ignore the time aura, lets pretend Kain did not use time powers at this moment, he could still teleport to a long distance to give himself a second or two to cast Repel shield and other auras.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats not really a theory, just an estimation which is why I said "probably" since the exact time is unkown, it was less than a second and youtube does not deal in that timing and it would be hard to count anyway. Although by such a crude answer I imagine its amusing to say that you probably cannot point out what your claiming "theory". List the theories your suggesting I am making in this thread and I will try and teach you how they are not.
Really? Not theory? Before I bring up more of your theories, provide proof that he can do what you claimed him capable of. Prove that he can escape Ganon's dimension.
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Really? Not theory? Before I bring up more of your theories, provide proof that he can do what you claimed him capable of. Prove that he can escape Ganon's dimension.
Escape the dimension once inside? or escape it from happening, because as shown it takes ages, about 20 seconds to actually acquire its victim.
Although lets assume Kain is inside, the power I just showed, the dimension port (the green flash) would allow him to port through the dimension like any dimentional mover. Its the dimention reaver he is using. Ganons realm would be a dimention, dimentional teleport would take him through it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Escape the dimension once inside? or escape it from happening, because as shown it takes ages, about 20 seconds to actually acquire its victim.Although lets assume Kain is inside, the power I just showed, the dimension port (the green flash) would allow him to port through the dimension like any dimentional mover. Its the dimention reaver he is using. Ganons realm would be a dimention, dimentional teleport would take him through it.
And what facts do you have that this dimensional teleport is different from Nightcrawler's teleport?
I dont know the specifics of nightcrawlers teleport so I could not say. If his teleport passes through dimensions then perhaps they are not diffrent. If a being can make a portal from one dimension to another or teleport through them, then by rights it can pass through say, Ganons dimension to one of their choosing, or in the case of a VS match on KMC, back to the battlefield. Character from Warcraft such as the masters of the twisting netherI think do something similiar.
So you're theorizing your way to Kain's capability to move from one dimension to another like how you said. Nightcrawler is using a seperate dimension as a shortcut, but he has no actual control during the teleport other than the destination in the current dimension that he uses it in. If he would teleport in a seperate dimension, he'd return to the same dimension.
Looking at Kain in that video, I'd say that the same mechanic apply to his dimensional teleport. Can you prove that he could exit Ganon's dimension, assuming he end up in it?
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
So you're theorizing your way to Kain's capability to move from one dimension to another like how you said. Nightcrawler is using a seperate dimension as a shortcut, but he has no actual control during the teleport other than the destination in the current dimension that he uses it in. If he would teleport in a seperate dimension, he'd return to the same dimension.Looking at Kain in that video, I'd say that the same mechanic apply to his dimensional teleport. Can you prove that he could exit Ganon's dimension, assuming he end up in it?
obvioulsy Kain has control otherwise he would end up all over the place, he teleports in rapid succession in the same move, which signifies the fact he has control during the dimension periods, unlke nightcrawler who ports, then predicts his next target, then ports. Although regardless of control, it is still teleporting through dimensions, Kain would teleport through Ganons dimension prison to his original place.
The reaver gives Kain powers over dimension, which in the legacy of Kain universe includes opening door ways through dimensions, and sometimes bringing other things through, passing through dimensions at this stage would be easy unless Ganons dimension has a special property or field to stop those escaping.
Yeah, that first one is not .4 seconds, sorry. That teleport has lag time, and that specific instance seemed to be a bit faster than all the others in that fight. Unless Kain is going to use that one to run away, there would be plenty of time to react when Kain is on the second half of that.
As for the second one, Zant was able to project a wave of energy in all directions with a thought. Zant gets all his power from Ganondorf. If Zant can do it, Ganon can do it better and likely, faster.
Even without what I just stated, there's still no way for Kain to stop Ganon. Ganon can possess him, you've yet to refute Ganon sealing him between dimensions. Hell, in finding a way to stop that second teleportation technique, I found out that Ganon could literally make Kain kick his own ass WITHOUT possessing him.
Originally posted by Burning thought
obvioulsy Kain has control otherwise he would end up all over the place, he teleports in rapid succession in the same move, which signifies the fact he has control during the dimension periods, unlke nightcrawler who ports, then predicts his next target, then ports. Although regardless of control, it is still teleporting through dimensions, Kain would teleport through Ganons dimension prison to his original place.
That's Nightcrawler exactly. He goes through a dimension but doesn't have the option to stay in it. He doesn't even notice that he's going through a seperate dimension, because one instant he's at one place and the other at another place. He never experiences the seperate dimension. And given Kain's reactiontime and the time between his teleports, neither does he.
Originally posted by Burning thought
The reaver gives Kain powers over dimension, which in the legacy of Kain universe includes opening door ways through dimensions, and sometimes bringing other things through, passing through dimensions at this stage would be easy unless Ganons dimension has a special property or field to stop those escaping.
So you're theorizing his capabilities. Really, that IS what you're doing. Kain has never actually teleported from one dimension to another? The only "proof" you have is an in-game move that you've theorized that it works the way you claim it to do. Or is this actually written? Does he have actual control over which dimension he enters, and the choice to stay if he wants to? Is this stated, or are you theorizing that too?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yeah, that first one is not .4 seconds, sorry. That teleport has lag time, and that specific instance seemed to be a bit faster than all the others in that fight. Unless Kain is going to use that one to run away, there would be plenty of time to react when Kain is on the second half of that.As for the second one, Zant was able to project a wave of energy in all directions with a thought. Zant gets all his power from Ganondorf. If Zant can do it, Ganon can do it better and likely, faster.
Even without what I just stated, there's still no way for Kain to stop Ganon. Ganon can possess him, you've yet to refute Ganon sealing him between dimensions. Hell, in finding a way to stop that second teleportation technique, I found out that Ganon could literally make Kain kick his own ass WITHOUT possessing him.
Its less than a second, 5:35 he is there, 3:36 he is not, its that simple. And that specific moment was a cut scene, where reality is revealed which is why its in a cut scene Kain actually states what he gains, the game ofcourse cannot mimic all the powers Kain would command with dimension at his call (sorry, sort of flooded into my discussion with Obsidian but its a similar thing). What do you mean second half? theres not a half, in less than a second Kain is gone, Ganon cannot react to that no matter how much fan wanking he gets and especially not the dimensional port.
Gaining a power source and what you can do with that power source are two very diffrent things, assuming he has the power is one thing, and maybe in a friendly discussion I would discuss it further but thinking its better is a guess. Either way its useless, what good will sending energy in all directions do? Kain could appear at any minute, Ganon would not know when to use the power.
And Kain can possess Ganon as well with spirit wrack and that teleportation is likely faster than ganons possession. I dont need to refute it, it takes ages for the seal to work, 20 seconds I counted, and thats against a foe who is not fighting back so this sealing is out of the question against any foe, let alone one who can destroy Ganon with ease.
Ganon still has no defence against blood shower, spirit death, soul wrack, time powers, hell as i said, all Kain has to do is teleport next to him with the time aura and Ganon is screwed, all Kain would really have to do is teleport out of Ganons range, buff up all his powers using the repel shield, auras etc and teleport next to Ganon, then we have Ganon who cant harm Kain, who is slowed in time anyway and a second later could be turned into a bloodless corpse, souless flesh or otherwise.
And cannot stop kain after he casts Repel shield, which takes a couple of seconds making him immune to physical attacks and reflecting spells.
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
That's Nightcrawler exactly. He goes through a dimension but doesn't have the option to stay in it. He doesn't even notice that he's going through a seperate dimension, because one instant he's at one place and the other at another place. He never experiences the seperate dimension. And given Kain's reactiontime and the time between his teleports, neither does he.So you're theorizing his capabilities. Really, that IS what you're doing. Kain has never actually teleported from one dimension to another? The only "proof" you have is an in-game move that you've theorized that it works the way you claim it to do. Or is this actually written? Does he have actual control over which dimension he enters, and the choice to stay if he wants to? Is this stated, or are you theorizing that too?
So kain would simply flash right through Ganons dimension without him even realising hes gone through, especially if he was using the dimension powers to begin with.
The power of dimension is clearly stated what it is, and Kain directly states thats what the dimension reaver gives him, how can it possibly be theory when the game directly outlines what it means? Whether he can stay in a dimension or not is neither here nor there, he does not want to stay does he, he wants to leave, not that its relevant since Kain wont be standing over a portal for 20 seconds or more.
BT, he opened the void in an instant, and casually lowered his creation into it while he dialogued, speaking to Link.
If Kain's stupid enough to teleport next to Ganon, time aura or not, he deserves everythign that happens to him, like the horrible death at Ganon's hands.
Edit; how can you even theorise that Kain can even hurt Ganondorf? Kain's too weak physicly and magicly to harm Ganon. Nothing he's ever done have shown him to have the power to harm Ganon.
Originally posted by Burning thought
So kain would simply flash right through Ganons dimension without him even realising hes gone through, especially if he was using the dimension powers to begin with.The power of dimension is clearly stated what it is, and Kain directly states thats what the dimension reaver gives him, how can it possibly be theory when the game directly outlines what it means? Whether he can stay in a dimension or not is neither here nor there, he does not want to stay does he, he wants to leave, not that its relevant since Kain wont be standing over a portal for 20 seconds or more.
More theories. You don't have any proof, do you?