the NEW GODS vs EXITAR

Originally posted by Allankles
I never talked about relative reality manipulation. OS is the universe and anyone trapped inside it is subject to its power unless you have feats that Exitar can even warp reality let alone escape from an ever adapting cosmic hamster wheel.

Originally posted by Allankles
Eny: Starlin had DS absorbing the power of the Source in his story and outsmarting the Source. I'd say according to the same Starlin (whose work was retconned by the way) DS can fathom the Source.

Originally posted by Allankles
That's just a fraction of the equation as its presented to the lower vibrational worlds outside the 4th world.

This scan states that like most of the weapons of the higher vibrational world of the New Gods, we only see a fraction of the equation, the entirety of which is unimaginably vast.

Originally posted by Enyalus

We know what the ALE is. It's:

loneliness + alienation + fear + despair + self-worth ÷ mockery ÷ condemnation ÷ misunderstanding x guilt x shame x failure x judgment n=y where y=hope and n=folly, love=lies, life=death, self=dark side.

Also, I'm not entirely sure how accurate this is because I took it from Wikipedia and I see no sources, but:

When Starlin returned to writing the New Gods in 2007's Death of the New Gods mini-series, the retcon was reversed and revised, with the Anti-Life Equation Entity being revealed to be one-half of a cosmic being that was split into two by the war of the old gods (the other half of the cosmic entity being the Source). In a text page published in "Final Crisis Secret Files", Grant Morrison attempts to reconcile the Starlin version of the Anti-Life Equation with his own version, by suggesting that the Equation is indeed sentient (as Starlin suggests) and that even after "mastering" the Equation, Darkseid still does not understand the true horrific nature of what the Anti-Life Equation is and its relationship with the Source.

You claimed Darkseid could fathom the 'mind' of the Source. He can't. And hasn't. [/B]

DOTNG is basically moot. and as for Darkseid not understanding what the ALE is? Oh he does. That's the frightening thing about it. The ALE is NOT sentient. Grant specifically retconned the entire premise of DOTNG. Darkseid knows full well what the equation does and it has no relationship with the Source. Hell, he tried to surplant GOD and make himself into the meaning of existence.

And as for the Source, he's screwed it over several times and outright corrupted it at least twice. He doesn't need to fathom the Source, he is the dark side of it. and yes, that pun was intentional. All new gods have an innate connection to the Source, Darkseid just happens to be the worst of it.

Originally posted by Enyalus

You just said the keyword in the same statement you used as evidence: retconned. It was retconned. DS can't fathom the Source. [/B]

I was using your sources against you. And he can fathom the Source as evidence by his actions against Miracle who he recognized as the "New Takion". Not to mention his manipulations in the past concerning the Source outside of Starlin retcons.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Well, yeah. To normal observers. Exitar exists on higher planes himself. If you want to go literal, higher up than even the fourth dimension. [/B]

I don't see how that matters (I hope you're not insinuating that the NG's are in the 4th dimension?). Exitar's ego doesn't hold a candle to the giant concepts DS has wrestled with in his mind.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
DOTNG is basically moot. and as for Darkseid not understanding what the ALE is? Oh he does. That's the frightening thing about it. The ALE is NOT sentient. Grant specifically retconned the entire premise of DOTNG. Darkseid knows full well what the equation does and it has no relationship with the Source. Hell, he tried to surplant GOD and make himself into the meaning of existence.

And as for the Source, he's screwed it over several times and outright corrupted it at least twice. He doesn't need to fathom the Source, he is the dark side of it. and yes, that pun was intentional. All new gods have an innate connection to the Source, Darkseid just happens to be the worst of it.

And agree with nearly all of it. It hurts Allan's case.

Not really since TP mentioned a point I'd overlooked.

What did I say?

Dark side of the Source.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
What did I say?

And yes, Darkseid is the dark side of the Source. But again, Exitar is a being made of pure Hyperspace energy, which on one canon view makes up the entirety of the omniverse. IE, Exitar's being is composed of the fundamental essence of the Marvel Universe. He's also canonically several magnitudes above infinity, power-wise.

Originally posted by Enyalus
He's also canonically several magnitudes above infinity, power-wise.

😂 Like that means anything. How many times have the words "omnipotent" and "infinite" been used on DS? No one beleives he's those things, and by feats neither is Exitar.

Originally posted by Allankles
😂 Like that means anything.

The difference is that one is a description of an ability/power and the other is hyperbole.

Precisely.

DS Omega Sanctions the Marvel Universe, fanboys, get over it.

No ALE or Warlagog? That's what the new gods are all about! 😄

Originally posted by Enyalus
No, Imperiex-Prime is not and no, he did not use the OS on him and no, he did not solo him.

Naija's point was the one I was going to bring up. "Fundamental force of restriction" means absolutely zilch, since...there is no such thing. What would that even equate to IRL, anyway? The Strong Nuclear Force?

Morrison is really going overboard on the hyperbolic verbal vomit.

Yes Imperiex is, thought you said who has DS taken out on or 'above' Exitar, missed the OS part 😎

Exitar, easily.

Originally posted by kevdude
Yes Imperiex is, thought you said who has DS taken out on or 'above' Exitar, missed the OS part 😎

What about Imperiex? DS is below him right?