Ganon, Kratos, and Link vs Sephiroth, Dante, and Megaman.

PSI is the result of pound-foot force on a single inch of surface area, and a pound foot of force is equal to 1.3558179483314004 joules.

Link in OoT threw a granite block weighing 1388.994 tons at a speed of over 75 meters per second, with relative ease. For this exercise, I'll be rounding these numbers down to 1300 and 75.

To accellerate a block that heavy to that speed Link had to generate 3316894205 joules of energy. Ganon is stronger than even OoT Link with the gauntlets, and TP Link sword locked with Ganon. [AHAH, relevance!]

Now let's assume that TP Link is as strong as OoT Link. [He's actually stronger.], and Ganon for whatever reason, rather than resisting Link in the sword lock, remains static, thus it's only the reaction of Link's own action on the palms of his hands when he sword locks with Ganon in TP.

This is; 2446415618 foot-pounds of force, now divide by the area of his hands. let's assume for the pure lulz that the palms of his hands combine into a square foot of area. Divide by 144 for PSI and you get 16988997 from just his own down-rounded strength, spread over an impossibly large surface area, and this amount of force did no harm whatsoever to Link.

FYI, thats 8494 tons of PSI.

Edit: I laugh at the idea of a bullet hurting him. |:

This is relevant becaause the entire equation shows OoT Link's own strength acting on himself, with no additional forces whatsoever, and rounded down to the point of ridiculousness.

"Adding accurate (questionable) maths to a fictional object that may not even be serious and could indeed be simply a puzzle event and not an actual canonic and important feat for Link is redundant, hell the developers do not even point out the weight of the rock in question and Link never does something close again in his games, or show any other strength feat while using the gauntlets.

Links neck is fair game for any sword, certainly Dante's"

This and the like tell me its very hard to believe that link can tank a sword shot to his neck, and stand there to still be alive. Last time i checked link had his gauntlets to help him lift that rock, but then again thats where you all got into it about his "legs" and what not.

His legs support the weight just fine... I see no issue, the gunatlets make him stronger, not more durable. Link's pretty frikken durable.

Also, it's canon, you have to move the rock to beat the game.

I know, the gauntlets make him stronger, not more durable (exactly what i was trying to say). But whats inconsistent is that in tp when you have to wrestle the goron, you need his metal boots so you dont lose againts him, yet i thought his durability was supposed to "match" his strength. Hmm.. in one scenario link struggles to move a goron, yet you claim he can withstand tons and tons of force.

Originally posted by Sappho
I know, the gauntlets make him stronger, not more durable (exactly what i was trying to say). But whats inconsistent is that in tp when you have to wrestle the goron, you need his metal boots so you dont lose againts him, yet i thought his durability was supposed to "match" his strength. Hmm.. in one scenario link struggles to move a goron, yet you claim he can withstand tons and tons of force.

You need the Iron Boots because Link is strong and durable, not heavy as solid rock. I went over this in the Sephiroth thread a long time ago.

Plus TP Link isn't the same as OoT Link anyway.

The Goron's are /much/ heavier than he is.

Example, you, go push on the side of your house. No matter how strong you are, you cano't move it, you'll push yourself back first due to the weight difference. If you have somethign to anchor you, though, like iron boots, and are strong enough, howeve,r you will move your house.

Also, this thread uses OoT Link. /random side note.

and in TP Link does withstand tons and tons of force, for example stopping the mini-boss Goron in motion, this would crush an average person. Especially given that by my conservative estimations, the Goron weighs 200 tons, not counting it's armour.

O, gotcha. Just a question, can you show me a strength feat from ganon plz?

In OoT he disarms Link, despite Link's incredible strength and having the golden gauntlets, he's also stated to be stronger than Link.

He disintegrates stone blocks and pillars with swings of his swords.

In TP, he disintegrates asage with a punch, breaks the chains holding him in lace, despite being impaled, locks swords with TP Link, ect. While not a strength feat, Midna destroys Hyrule Castle with an attack focused on Ganon, and does no harm to him whatsoever.

Keep in mind that above numbers count him as remaining totally static, and thus accounting for zero strength. IE, they pretend he doesn't have any strength at all.

yea, imo i really dont see link tanking a full on sword shot to the neck from dante and living. more than 100+ tons of force is too much for link to sit there and "tank"

How is his neck < his hand..?

well the neck is less durable than the hand, but thats not why i said that. Link has never directly took 100+ pounds of force to his hand, the most you have is him lifing a block with gauntlents that let him do this, and him locking swords with ganon. While locking swords with ganon is quite impressive, locking swords < tip of a sword. When link locks swords with ganon, hes using his whole body to stop ganons attack, which means the force would be spread apart to his whole body almost evenly, but if someone where to hit link in the neck with the tip of a sword that would be completely different, it would not end so well. Putting pressure directly one point in the body is much more powerful that colliding two swords together.

Firstly, sword damage is an expression of PSI, and Link's hands have withstood a massive aqmoutn of PSI unharmed, and secondly in OoT, Link, with a single hand, has his sword struck by Ganon, disarming him. The amount of force on his hand, and thus PSI, would be utterly insane.

So, we do know that in cutscenes Link can withstand incredible forces. For Dante to be able to produce more force than this he'd have to be almost as strong as Ganon. I say almost because the handle of Link's sword is not sharp, and so I'm again being conservative, and even then, it didn't hurt Link.

Ganon striking links sword and his sword going flying would not equal a lot of pressure on his hand. For starters, ganons not directly hitting his hand. Secondly, its still a collision, not a stab, a stab is a lot more severe. Lastly, he knocked the sword out of his hand, which means a lot of the force went into the sword, and when link could no longer hold on to it, it went flying. Its a joke to say that a lot of this force will go onto his hand. If link had ran up and swung his sword with all his might, and ganon did the same, they collided swords, and neither of them dropped the swords, then maybe half the force applied there would go to his hand, the rest would be in the sword/ transfered through the whole body, but then again this is not the case.

Dante, on the other hand, would stab links neck with the tip of his sword. First, this is someone who stopped the punch of a 100+ ton stone figure, without putting to much effort in. Secondly, this wasnt even the tip of his sword. Stabbing a fragile part of the body like the neck with 100+ pounds of force, using a sword would equal a tremendous amount of force, like I said laughable to think that link could tank this.

I'm going to regret asking this, but where was it stated that the stone pillar Link lifted is over a megatonne in weight? 1300 tonnes... I don't see that in that pillar unless it is INSANELY dense. judging from how it was thrown, then broken up, i'd wager not that dense at all, and certainly not all that sturdy.

since all of Link's supposed strength is dependant on this and the Goron feat (Which is nowhere near 200 tonnes mind you), this has been grossely exaggerated.

Dark, do you honestly think link could tank a sword shot to the neck from someone dispensing 100+ pounds of force? I loled first when i heard this, but i mean c'mon, this is going on to far. Scream is taking everything to head on, using math when he doesnt need to, exactly what bt said.

Depends... Link has the tools to tank such a blow if prepared, but if your talking execution style? or a suprise attack? Probably not. No matter how tough you are, tanking a solid hit is different from getting cut anyways... and link has been hurt by FAR less than a sword even in his most powerful incarnations.

It's stated in the player's guide to be granite. I measured it to the pixel, and used the weight per cubic foot of granite.

I also had the Goron weigh far too little per cubic foot to be made of stone, which Gorons are, and it still game out to 200 tons.

As to this thing with a stab, it's an expression of PSI, and Link can take /a LOT/ of PSI, Dante's not one-shotting him. O-o

The blow on Link's sword applies a massive amount of force to his hand, which is holding the sword to defend against the attack. The hilt's not sharp, buyt Ganon is so strong it doesn't matter, it's still retardedly impressive.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Depends... Link has the tools to tank such a blow if prepared, but if your talking execution style? or a suprise attack? Probably not. No matter how tough you are, tanking a solid hit is different from getting cut anyways... and link has been hurt by FAR less than a sword even in his most powerful incarnations.

pixelation of graphics are FAR from perfect, even for the N64.

How dense is the Granite there though....? unless you have exact figures for that ore particularly, it;s still rough guesswork and completely fabricated.

Hmm... so even though they have only rock skin (For exmple, their eyes and mouths are flesh, and they are animated) they are still being measured as entirely solid rock? I don't think so...

Your applying such PSI over an absolutely tiny sharp area though. It's not as hard to cut link as your claiming, and I would certainly say Dante can dish out a whole lot more than a mere 100 lbs of psi, considering his own strength and speed feats. Downing something as monsterously huge as leviathan, and actually cutting through Phantom's armour.

pixelation of graphics are FAR from perfect, even for the N64.

How dense is the Granite there though....? unless you have exact figures for that ore particularly, it;s still rough guesswork and completely fabricated.

Hmm... so even though they have only rock skin (For exmple, their eyes and mouths are flesh, and they are animated) they are still being measured as entirely solid rock? I don't think so...

Your applying such PSI over an absolutely tiny sharp area though. It's not as hard to cut link as your claiming, and I would certainly say Dante can dish out a whole lot more than a mere 100 lbs of psi, considering his own strength and speed feats. Downing something as monsterously huge as leviathan, and actually cutting through Phantom's armour.

8494 tons of PSI have been applied to Link's hands at an absolute minimum, as I totally negated Ganon's strength, relegatign him to zero, and counted only Link's own strength as he swings his sword against a static object.