Originally posted by xJLxKing
Actually, the link you proved explained it. Dunadains are men from the west. IE: Gondor, Númenóreans, and Rohan. They are all Dunedains; theoden was from Rohan.
Dunedains are the descendents of the survivors from The Fall of Numenor, who travelled across after it fell into the ocean, but not every human in middle Earth decends from the Numenoreans...
That's why Eowyn was shocked by Aragorn saying he was 87...
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Dunedains are the descendents of the survivors from The Fall of Numenor, who travelled across after it fell into the ocean, but not every human in middle Earth decends from the Numenoreans...That's why Eowyn was shocked by Aragorn saying he was 87...
Originally posted by xJLxKing
They all are part Dunedain!!
The Rohirrim are descended from the Eotheod who themselves were Northmen not really the same as the Dunedain.
Amongst the Dunedain themselves there are many classes and 'ranks'. By the War of the Ring the Rangers of the North (eg Aragorn) were basically the most elite remnant of the Dunedain line.
Guys such as Faramir and Boromir and the Southern Rangers were still Dunedain but weren't quite the same in superiority as Aragorn etc. Both lived longer than other human races (i.e the Rohirrim). I'm pretty sure Faramir was in his 100s when he died.
The Rohirrim were not Dunedain the way you are saying.
Originally posted by Warrior18
The Rohirrim are descended from the Eotheod who themselves were Northmen not really the same as the Dunedain.Amongst the Dunedain themselves there are many classes and 'ranks'. By the War of the Ring the Rangers of the North (eg Aragorn) were basically the most elite remnant of the Dunedain line.
Guys such as Faramir and Boromir and the Southern Rangers were still Dunedain but weren't quite the same in superiority as Aragorn etc. Both lived longer than other human races (i.e the Rohirrim). I'm pretty sure Faramir was in his 100s when he died.
The Rohirrim were not Dunedain the way you are saying.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, I think you missing the point. Rohan and Gondor was once the same.
Some people are mixed which is why they don't live as long. Aragorn line wasn't mixed( as much, or at all). So in a way, they are all somewhat Dunedains.
No it wasn't. The Eothed were granted the land which would eventually be called Rohan in 2510 by Gondor as a reward for military aid. The land they were given was a province of Gondor called Calenadhon. Originally they came from the land between the Carrock and the Gladden but they left there in TA 1977.
Just because they would live within a province of Gondor doesn't in the slightest make them the Dunedain you claimed them to be.
You claimed all the Rohirrim warriors at Helms Deep were all men who lived incredibly long and were granted the perks of being a Dunedain. This is wrong. The Rohirrim lived to about 70 or 80 and simply were not the Dunedain who lived long or were superior in mind, body and spirit.
In other words a completely different race of men with little to no common ancestry.
Still take the team. It would be like 300, but with less men, with ****in firepower and kickass martial arts.
The orcs wouldn't even know what's happening between two genades and a punch in the face.
And don't forget: If a dwarf and an elfe can kill nearly 100 orcs by themselves, how many orcs Bulleyes and the Punisher would they kill with some machine guns, grenades, toothpick, etc?
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Originally posted by Warrior18
No it wasn't. The Eothed were granted the land which would eventually be called Rohan in 2510 by Gondor as a reward for military aid. The land they were given was a province of Gondor called Calenadhon. Originally they came from the land between the Carrock and the Gladden but they left there in TA 1977.Just because they would live within a province of Gondor doesn't in the slightest make them the Dunedain you claimed them to be.
You claimed all the Rohirrim warriors at Helms Deep were all men who lived incredibly long and were granted the perks of being a Dunedain. This is wrong. The Rohirrim lived to about 70 or 80 and simply were not the Dunedain who lived long or were superior in mind, body and spirit.
In other words a completely different race of men with little to no common ancestry.
Also, I am not 100% sure, but did Gondorians and Rohirrim like get mixed which is why some were very old?
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Still take the team. It would be like 300, but with less men, with ****in firepower and kickass martial arts.The orcs wouldn't even know what's happening between two genades and a punch in the face.
And don't forget: If a dwarf and an elfe can kill nearly 100 orcs by themselves, how many orcs Bulleyes and the Punisher would they kill with some machine guns, grenades, toothpick, etc?
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6303/daredevilthetargetbk01182qe.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2738/daredevilthetargetbk01198dr.jpg
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Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yes it was. Gondorians kept referring to them as Middle men who were distantly related to them.
No. They were not. The Rohirrim's ancetsors were an essentially separate people (their true ancestral homelands were in Rhovanion) who migrated to and/or lived in Gondorian territory.
Emphasis on distant. I suppose the equivalent would be evolutionary relation to humans and chimps. 😄
Besides I'm pretty sure Tolkien himself stated the referring to the Rohirrim as Middle Men was simply self serving fiction or propaganda on behalf the Numernoreans.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Also, I am not 100% sure, but did Gondorians and Rohirrim like get mixed which is why some were very old?
Well Dunedain thinning the bloodline with lesser men would shorten the lifespan not lengthen it.........................
The Rohirrim and everybody else save the Dunedain(even then only the purer ones) were essentially ordinary. They had normal lifespans and didn't have the typical higher Dunedain attributes.
Of course individuals were shown to have the capacity to mix,Faramir married Eowyn after all, but not really what you were saying. You were implying that the Rohirrim were rife with traces of Dunedain blood which would imply a recent common ancestry between the two, which there isn't.
Well Dunedain thinning the bloodline with lesser men would shorten the lifespan not lengthen it......................... The Rohirrim and everybody else save the Dunedain(even then only the purer ones) were essentially ordinary. They had normal lifespans and didn't have the typical higher Dunedain attributes. Of course individuals were shown to have the capacity to mix,Faramir married Eowyn after all, but not really what you were saying. You were implying that the Rohirrim were rife with traces of Dunedain blood which would imply a recent common ancestry between the two, which there isn't.
Besides I'm pretty sure Tolkien himself stated the referring to the Rohirrim as Middle Men was simply self serving fiction or propaganda on behalf the Numernoreans.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yeah, it would shorten the lifespam of Dunedain, but not Rohirrim(which still should have blood of Dunedain); It would increase theirs.Like I said, when I read LORT, and the other ones, I was 15-16(2 years ago), I barely understood it. Either way, I am pretty sure it was stated that they view them as distant, but they are still from the same tree.
1. Would it? Did it? Any evidence of the Rohirrim with abnormally long lifespans?
2.By that I guess you mean the three main books. Fellowship,Two Towers and the Return of the King? Thing is the tonnes of other works which elaborate on the histories explain things easier and in more detail.
The distance of relation is practically primordial and still had no bearing on the physicality or biology of the Rohirrim at Helms Deep. Which is what I've been saying.
Originally posted by Warrior18
1. Would it? Did it? Any evidence of the Rohirrim with abnormally long lifespans?2.By that I guess you mean the three main books. Fellowship,Two Towers and the Return of the King? Thing is the tonnes of other works which elaborate on the histories explain things easier and in more detail.
The distance of relation is practically primordial and still had no bearing on the physicality or biology of the Rohirrim at Helms Deep. Which is what I've been saying.
2. NO I also read hobbit(but at that time I didn't know it was related to LOTR), and I also read Simllirion, or whatever it's spelled. It was hard to understand though. That entire thing with Miars, Eru, Valars...etc
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Frank at the front door with the machine gun, Deadshot with the bazooka, Bulleyes with the toothpick and the ninjas will keep the orcs away of the wall.
Any ways, that formation is not bad. Except one thing. One volley of arrows will kill all the ninjas.
Also, I doubt a machine gun would go through shield, armor, a body, and shield to get to the target.
One balista could also damage them, if not kill them. Don't forget, they 150 ninjas WILL not cover the wall. They can try, but they won't. They will be separated from each other.
Elite Elfs, and Rohirrim soldier couldn't keep them off for more then a few minutes. I doubt 150 ninja's can do anything.
urukhai are not extra durable wtf are you talking about?
the ONLY true sign of "durabiltiy" that you keep repeating over and over again is pointless. oh meh godz the beserker took two shots. where were these shots? in the freakin SHOULDERS. the beserkers only job was to run in a straight line. taking two arrows to the shoulders isnt going to mean anything at all. boromir took three arrows to the chest and kept on fighting by himself which means that arrows ultimately arent that big of a deal at all anyway.
i dont know who wins but can the pro lotr peopel actually KNOW what theyre talking about? how many of you have read the simarillion and the books recently?
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Again. they are uruk-hais.Any ways, that formation is not bad. Except one thing. One volley of arrows will kill all the ninjas.
Also, I doubt a machine gun would go through shield, armor, a body, and shield to get to the target.
One balista could also damage them, if not kill them. Don't forget, they 150 ninjas WILL not cover the wall. They can try, but they won't. They will be separated from each other.Elite Elfs, and Rohirrim soldier couldn't keep them off for more then a few minutes. I doubt 150 ninja's can do anything.
Again, it depends wich type of machine guns and wich type of armor...
Or what about that: They have 36 hours prep, right? They destroy all the bridges and puts mines in the ground. After that, they shoot anyone. For the arrows, they could built a roof... I don't know, lol. After all, they are ninjas! The next best thing after pirates.
Originally posted by WO Polaski
urukhai are not extra durable wtf are you talking about?the ONLY true sign of "durabiltiy" that you keep repeating over and over again is pointless. oh meh godz the beserker took two shots. where were these shots? in the freakin SHOULDERS. the beserkers only job was to run in a straight line. taking two arrows to the shoulders isnt going to mean anything at all. boromir took three arrows to the chest and kept on fighting by himself which means that arrows ultimately arent that big of a deal at all anyway.
i dont know who wins but can the pro lotr peopel actually KNOW what theyre talking about? how many of you have read the simarillion and the books recently?
Uruks are superhuman durable, that's common knowledge. To quote Saruman, "You know no pain, you know no fear (...)".
Boromir is a Dunedain.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Uruks are superhuman durable, that's common knowledge. To quote Saruman, "You know no pain, you know no fear (...)".Boromir is a Dunedain.
"You know no pain, you know no fear (...)"
That doesnt make them any more durable in the fact that thay cant be damaged and killed by simple means such as a arrow or sword.
