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Originally posted by Mr Master
Well, that ... and this:

The Marvel Brothers Look [b]exactly like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

The Marvel Brothers are locked in an eternal struggle just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

They have the same Name: ... The Brothers!

The Marvel Brothers battle with swords, just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

The Marvel Brothers are blue and red, just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

The Marvel Brothers are guardians of the realities they architected, just like the original Brothers. (Marvel & DC)

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They do not look exactly alike, look close at the scans and you will see a some differences in the design of the armor, parts missing and some in the wrong color, by all means, they are not the same brothers.

Strugles and eternal ones are nothing uncommon.

Brothers, the same Name, well that's not unique.

Swords are also not an very unique weapon.

Same for colors.

At best LT might get intrigued and created Borthers of his own, with his spectral hooded friend who is by all means an Marvel char and not DC's spectre, else he would name Spectre by his proper Name. 😉

Originally posted by operator616

@Mr Master: Also, in case you were unaware, while in the issue itself, it was the universe which is destroyed, the handbooks confirm that the muliverse and beyond were destroyed, and there's a marvunapp page which says and i quote " the multiverse (if not the entire omniverse)" was destroyed.

this is largely due to the fact that the M'kraan Crystal was universal at the time, later changed to multiversal and beyond, hence the 2006 bio and the marvunapp page.

That aside, what's funny is, if we take it at face value, then that Mkraan Cyrstal
destroyed not just one single universe, but it was an Alternate reality,
which Diverged from 616.

Nice head scratcher ey.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
They do not look exactly alike, look close at the scans and you will see a some differences in the design of the armor, parts missing and some in the wrong color, by all means, they are not the same brothers.

Strugles and eternal ones are nothing uncommon.

Brothers, the same Name, well that's not unique.

Swords are also not an very unique weapon.

Same for colors.

At best LT might get intrigued and created Borthers of his own, with his spectral hooded friend who is by all means an Marvel char and not DC's spectre, else he would name Spectre by his proper Name.

If it does not ... peace and love with your unsupported opinions.

Originally, the story involved the DC and Marvel entirety,
and Mike Carlin, who was currently an Executive Editor at DC,
approved the project, added his ideas and allowed his name to be highlighted.

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I used to debate against this, but it is what it was,
the Spectre being alluded to being involved,
but in the most obvious way:

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Interestingly enough,
I always thought the LT held the ALPHA & OMEGA on the other hand,
but in fact, it is the BrotherS that ARE the Beginning & the End:

"Alpha & Omega revolve on the Wheel of Destiny ...
a Wheel spun by his mighty Hand .. A Hand soon opening
to allow two Brothers to assume their pre-destined roles
as architects of new realities."

Wow ... nice!

So the LT undoubtably, imo,
held the power/embodiment/beginning-end ... of Two MegaverseS in one hand.

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This truth above is supported:

This page over at Marvuanapp hasn't been updated since mid 2004,
but at-least until then, this is the Bio of the Retcon BrotherS:

(bio was created by Marvel/DC comic book Writers)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

btw. The guy who created Marvunapp is the person who came up with the term "Megaverse"
which Marvel comics and even DC applies to their worlds.

After 2006, Marvel has been referencing a sole Omniverse
with endless representations of 616, so that detail's changed,
but the rest, is right on point with me.

stoned

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm sorry friend, but I can't entertain circles, so this should do it:

If it does not ... peace and love with your unsupported opinions.

Originally, the story involved the DC and Marvel entirety,
and Mike Carlin, who was currently an Executive Editor at DC,
approved the project, added his ideas and allowed his name to be highlighted.

-------------------------------------

I used to debate against this, but it is what it was,
the Spectre being alluded to being involved,
but in the most obvious way:

--------------------------------

Interestingly enough,
I always thought the LT held the ALPHA & OMEGA on the other hand,
but in fact, it is the BrotherS that ARE the Beginning & the End:

"Alpha & Omega revolve on the Wheel of Destiny ...
a Wheel spun by his mighty Hand .. [b]A Hand soon opening
to allow two Brothers to assume their pre-destined roles
as architects of new realities."

Wow ... nice!

So the LT undoubtably, imo,
held the power/embodiment/beginning-end ... of Two MegaverseS in one hand.

==================================

This page over at Marvuanapp hasn't been updated since mid 2004,
but at-least until then, this is the Bio of the Retcon BrotherS:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

btw. The guy who created Marvunapp is the person who came up with the term "Megaverse"
which Marvel comics and even DC applies to their worlds.

After 2006, Marvel has been referencing a sole Omniverse
with endless representations of 616, so that detail's changed,
but the rest, is right on point with me.

stoned [/B]

In the end you end up with "imo" and not a fact, sorry no offense.

People can work for both companies, still if the book isn't published by both it isn't canon for the other and they are not allowed to use the name of a DC char or vice versa. A Superman alike char appeared in a Thor comic, doesn't mean it's superman.

What the MARVEL Brothers are is not important, in MARVEL. They are however not the Brothers from the Crossovers, maybe clones or copies. But look at the pic and compare them. The original Red Brother didn't even had shoulder Plates, you see all the differences in the designs, sure they are similar, like most copies but they are clearly not the same.

Marvelbios are Marvel bios and not valid for DC. So they are not important tbh. Still they are also just bios, we can see for ourselves in the comics that the Brothers look differen't. Why should they change their looks?

The Terminology isn't a prove for them being the same Brothers. But let's get to the point, Marvel is an Omniverse *check, DC is an Omniverse *check, both are independent of each other *check, means they are not one and the same omniverse, as illogical as it sounds.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The events are not Canon to DC, even if Access appeares, for all means and purposes it means.

DC has an Access character whi isn't the same as in DC vs Marvel, when they publish them in an non DC/Marvel book.

Are you serious? one of the most important elements of the Access character, is that he can travel between the DC and Marvel realities, so when he traveled to DC (in a canon issue), which fits with what's happening in the other (out of continuity) mini, you'd say it's a different version of the character? Please.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah. That just suggests they were the power behind the creation of said Megaverses.
I would say being the Alpha and Omega, makes them embodiments.

Well, that ... and this:

The Marvel Brothers Look [b]exactly like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

The Marvel Brothers are locked in an eternal struggle just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

They have the same Name: ... The Brothers!

The Marvel Brothers battle with swords, just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

The Marvel Brothers are blue and red, just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

The Marvel Brothers are guardians of the realities they architected, just like the original Brothers. (Marvel & DC)

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Coincidence? hm Not imo, but perhaps.

The originals were embodiments, and everything else is a perfect copy:

(Marvel vs DC)

(Adventures of the X-Men)

You feel me opr? [/B]

Yeah, i see your point more clearly now. And it's a reasonable one.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Originally, the story involved the DC and Marvel entirety,
and Mike Carlin, who was currently an Executive Editor at DC,
approved the project, added his ideas and allowed his name to be highlighted.

👆 Mike Carlin was also the Executive Editor of that particular GL issue.

Originally posted by operator616
Are you serious? one of the most important elements of the Access character, is that he can travel between the DC and Marvel realities, so when he traveled to DC (in a canon issue), which fits with what's happening in the other (out of continuity) mini, you'd say it's a different version of the character? Please.

Yeah, i see your point more clearly now. And it's a reasonable one.

👆 Mike Carlin was also the Executive Editor of that particular GL issue.

Yes. I am. There are enough similar Characters through the Multiverse that you can distinguish only by little details. Look at Superman and his various incarnations.

Look at the pic of the Brothers I posted, they look differen't and are not the same chars. Obviously.

^^ No offense, but you're nitpicking on that pic. 😬

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

In the end you end up with "imo" and not a fact, sorry no offense.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

People can work for both companies, still if the book isn't published by both it isn't canon for the other and they are not allowed to use the name of a DC char or vice versa. A Superman alike char appeared in a Thor comic, doesn't mean it's superman.
What the MARVEL Brothers are is not important, in MARVEL. They are however not the Brothers from the Crossovers, maybe clones or copies. But look at the pic and compare them. The original Red Brother didn't even had shoulder Plates, you see all the differences in the designs, sure they are similar, like most copies but they are clearly not the same.
Marvelbios are Marvel bios and not valid for DC. So they are not important tbh. Still they are also just bios, we can see for ourselves in the comics that the Brothers look differen't. Why should they change their looks?
The Terminology isn't a prove for them being the same Brothers. But let's get to the point, Marvel is an Omniverse *check, DC is an Omniverse *check, both are independent of each other *check, means they are not one and the same omniverse, as illogical as it sounds.

So for the record, not imo, but in the factual harmony certified in my prior post,
both DC and Marvel were in cahoots regarding this "Adventures of the X-Men" story.

I never stated that this is relevant Now, I did clearly add, originally or initially,
cause that's the truth.

So yea, the LT, the Marvel Brothers have nothing to do with DC Now
and perhaps shortly after the freakin story "Adv. of the X-Men" ... But ...
there is No doubt, that when the comic was published, that was the plot,
and the LT and Spectre (not by name but obviously)
were depicted as being above all that is Marvel and DC. (Brothers)

Originally posted by operator616

Are you serious? one of the most important elements of the Access character, is that he can travel between the DC and Marvel realities, so when he traveled to DC (in a canon issue), which fits with what's happening in the other (out of continuity) mini, you'd say it's a different version of the character? Please.

Originally posted by operator616

Yeah, i see your point more clearly now. And it's a reasonable one.

Originally posted by operator616

Mike Carlin was also the Executive Editor of that particular GL issue.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ No offense, but you're nitpicking on that pic. 😬

In the end, I'm not offended cause you find the facts unacceptable.

This is my final point on the matter cause now you're interjecting your opinion in-between the facts.

So for the record, not imo, but in the factual harmony certified in my prior post,
both DC and Marvel were in cahoots regarding this "Adventures of the X-Men" story.

I never stated that this is relevant Now, I did clearly add, originally or initially,
cause that's the truth.

So yea, the LT, the Marvel Brothers have nothing to do with DC Now
and perhaps shortly after the freakin story "Adv. of the X-Men" ... But ...
there is No doubt, that when the comic was published, that was the plot,
and the LT and Spectre (not by name but obviously)
were depicted as being above all that is Marvel and DC. (Brothers)

No offense taken. We agree to disagree, that's nothing bad. I just see the differences and to me it's obvious that Marvel couldn't draw them properly because they might get in trouble with DC.

As you find my facts and reasoning. But as said, to each of us his own.^^

There is no harmony though as both DC and Marvel claim to be an Omniverse. Since both are independent to each other and not Megaverses this means that there are two Omniverses, which might be a contradicion itself but that's what it is.

In DC vs Marvel the Brothers were superior to LT and Spectre, they didn't noticed them, still lesser beings can trick or harm, manipulate whatever superior beings when given the chance. The Brothers were fighting each other, maybe even weaking themselves in the Battle and never paid attention but if LT and Spectre would have been superior they would just say, stop this BS and behave, else we spank you 😉.

Edit: A Question if you don't mind. Do you think that DC is part of the Marvel Omniverse and that LT has something to say in the DC Verse?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

No offense taken. We agree to disagree, that's nothing bad. I just see the differences and to me it's obvious that Marvel couldn't draw them properly because they might get in trouble with DC.
As you find my facts and reasoning. But as said, to each of us his own.There is no harmony though as both DC and Marvel claim to be an Omniverse. Since both are independent to each other and not Megaverses this means that there are two Omniverses, which might be a contradicion itself but that's what it is.
In DC vs Marvel the Brothers were superior to LT and Spectre, they didn't noticed them, still lesser beings can trick or harm, manipulate whatever superior beings when given the chance. The Brothers were fighting each other, maybe even weaking themselves in the Battle and never paid attention but if LT and Spectre would have been superior they would just say, stop this BS and behave, else we spank you.

Which means, they were always not supreme,
even if that was the implication yet never realized.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

Edit: A Question if you don't mind. Do you think that DC is part of the Marvel Omniverse and that LT has something to say in the DC Verse?

Originally posted by Mr Master

So yea, the LT, the Marvel Brothers have nothing to do with DC Now

and perhaps shortly after the freakin story "Adv. of the X-Men"

... But ...
there is No doubt, that when the comic was published though, that was the plot,
and the LT and Spectre (not by name but obviously)
were depicted as being above all that is Marvel and DC. (Brothers)

Now, this tells me you're not paying close attention,
and when that happens circles form, (unnecessary redundancy)
although a circle was in the horizon anyway.

peace and love

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yet, the LT and Spectre nearly obliterated both Brothers
when they warp the shit out of them via force.
Again, luckily, Access helped save the "superior" Brothers.

Which means, they were always not supreme,
even if that was the implication yet never realized.

That was posted in the same post you asked your question in.

Now, this tells me you're not paying close attention,
and when that happens circles form, (unnecessary redundancy)
although a circle was in the horizon anyway.

peace and love

In their fight they were though and LT and Spectre couldn't do anything about it. Just because they were ignored they were able to pull out the stunt.

SO I did not ask properly. Do you think that DC was a Part of the Marvel Omniverse once (like in the past) and that LT had some power over the DC Verse (once, like in the past)?

I pay you the attention, I wasn't clear enough though it seems.

Peace and love, bro ^^.

there is only one omniverse

Originally posted by Jynocidus
there is only one omniverse

By the Name yes, yet both companies have their own Omniverse where the other company has not a single character or even the might to decide a single event 😉. So No as stupid as it is, there are a lot of Comic-Omniverses, for each company it's own.

Monitor wins.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
By the Name yes, yet both companies have their own Omniverse where the other company has not a single character or even the might to decide a single event 😉. So No as stupid as it is, there are a lot of Comic-Omniverses, for each company it's own.

both companies have their own continuity.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
there is only one omniverse

There is only one "real" onmiverse if you will, but there are multiple fictitious omniverses.

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