Originally posted by Burning thought
Also, before you put too much doubt on humans, lady who is a human iirc easily crushes most of the towers enemis as well.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Also, before you put too much doubt on humans, lady who is a human iirc easily crushes most of the towers enemis as well.
i was specifically talking about ALL of dantes enemies. id like to see mercer try out a shadow from dmc1. seeing as those things are immune to blades and melee weaponry in their mobile form. especially 3 of them at once. and has mercer even faced off against what could be consitered bosses that dante has taken out? griffon alone could prolly clear the skies of ANY choppers with a flap of his wings.
and i dont need feats to gauge the enemies. some gameplay of them doing stuff works for me. it at least gives me an idea of how to gauge what he's been through.
and back to his stamina. thats him young, pre and during his powers awakening. i doubt hes even 18 in dmc3. but just because the cutscenes have him stolling out all cocky and cool, does not mean all the exertion of what he did doesnt matter. the last boss fight with virgil started immediately after he faught his way into the underworld, and fought (and beat) the guy who stole their fathers power. none of those cutcenes showed him tired. nor did ANY other cutscenes in the other dmc games.
as i said before.. that is not the base stats for dante. that was him as his powers were barely awakened. he was practically a pup.
and i forgot to mention this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MnHLsEjvzs
in dmc2, when dantes low on health and in trouble. he goes ultra mega.
hes invincible while that form is up. and hes one shotting his enemies.
Originally posted by Matthias Fenris
i was specifically talking about ALL of dantes enemies. id like to see mercer try out a shadow from dmc1. seeing as those things are immune to blades and melee weaponry in their mobile form. especially 3 of them at once. and has mercer even faced off against what could be consitered bosses that dante has taken out? griffon alone could prolly clear the skies of ANY choppers with a flap of his wings.and i dont need feats to gauge the enemies. some gameplay of them doing stuff works for me. it at least gives me an idea of how to gauge what he's been through.
and back to his stamina. thats him young, pre and during his powers awakening. i doubt hes even 18 in dmc3. but just because the cutscenes have him stolling out all cocky and cool, does not mean all the exertion of what he did doesnt matter. the last boss fight with virgil started immediately after he faught his way into the underworld, and fought (and beat) the guy who stole their fathers power. none of those cutcenes showed him tired. nor did ANY other cutscenes in the other dmc games.
as i said before.. that is not the base stats for dante. that was him as his powers were barely awakened. he was practically a pup.
and i forgot to mention this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MnHLsEjvzs
in dmc2, when dantes low on health and in trouble. he goes ultra mega.
hes invincible while that form is up. and hes one shotting his enemies.
Dante and Vergil are 19
cool. got proof you can share?
also..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDJH3Y2FF78
nuke. buffered by going off under water. his chopper still made it to the docks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2S3N0uSSho&feature=related
oh look. a nuke going off on the ground. un buffered. although further away. dude does live for a bit, though.
Originally posted by Matthias Fenris
i was specifically talking about ALL of dantes enemies. id like to see mercer try out a shadow from dmc1. seeing as those things are immune to blades and melee weaponry in their mobile form. especially 3 of them at once. and has mercer even faced off against what could be consitered bosses that dante has taken out? griffon alone could prolly clear the skies of ANY choppers with a flap of his wings.and i dont need feats to gauge the enemies. some gameplay of them doing stuff works for me. it at least gives me an idea of how to gauge what he's been through.
and back to his stamina. thats him young, pre and during his powers awakening. i doubt hes even 18 in dmc3. but just because the cutscenes have him stolling out all cocky and cool, does not mean all the exertion of what he did doesnt matter. the last boss fight with virgil started immediately after he faught his way into the underworld, and fought (and beat) the guy who stole their fathers power. none of those cutcenes showed him tired. nor did ANY other cutscenes in the other dmc games.
as i said before.. that is not the base stats for dante. that was him as his powers were barely awakened. he was practically a pup.
and i forgot to mention this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MnHLsEjvzs
in dmc2, when dantes low on health and in trouble. he goes ultra mega.
hes invincible while that form is up. and hes one shotting his enemies.
Thats baseless, even more baseless than just saying one Chopper could blow Griffon out of the skies from half a mile away with a heat seeking rocket.
Well thats not what we do here at all, gameplay mechanics as per rule 14 of the forum does not allow numerical health bar damage or otherwise to gauge anything. By that logic, people in Modern warfare and battlefield games are all nigh immortal with regeneration rates and can recover in seconds from machine gun rounds. Or even better, can take almost a whole clip of said fire.
He was shown tired as was vergil when lady, a human started blocking them and Jester outright said they were tired. Although them being tired was your argument iirc, if you want to say they were not...well..
Well show me Dante doing better things in a cutscene or otherwise if you dont want to use DMC 3 or young Dante then.....all I keep hearing about is mostly DMC 3 or DMC 1 Dante in this thread, wheres DMC 4 or 2 Dante who is his older ones?
Also thats gameplay, Sparda forms only showing iirc is in DMC 1 at the end but none of them get much of a cutscene to gauge stats and speed. Also "invincibility" is what we call a no limit fallacy.
Originally posted by Matthias Fenris
cool. got proof you can share?also..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDJH3Y2FF78
nuke. buffered by going off under water. his chopper still made it to the docks.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2S3N0uSSho&feature=related
oh look. a nuke going off on the ground. un buffered. although further away. dude does live for a bit, though.
Hang on, wheres the chopper at the docks? also he was at best 10-50 meters away from the blast considering he had just a few seconds to fly away before it detonated. Also this does not prove much tbh, we dont know the yield of the nuke in MW afaik while the one in Prototype was designed to take out the whole city, this looks like a tactical weapon in MW further, their further away...their chopper was not hit nearly as hard.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats baseless, even more baseless than just saying one Chopper could blow Griffon out of the skies from half a mile away with a heat seeking rocket.Well thats not what we do here at all, gameplay mechanics as per rule 14 of the forum does not allow numerical health bar damage or otherwise to gauge anything. By that logic, people in Modern warfare and battlefield games are all nigh immortal with regeneration rates and can recover in seconds from machine gun rounds. Or even better, can take almost a whole clip of said fire.
He was shown tired as was vergil when lady, a human started blocking them and Jester outright said they were tired. Although them being tired was your argument iirc, if you want to say they were not...well..
Well show me Dante doing better things in a cutscene or otherwise if you dont want to use DMC 3 or young Dante then.....all I keep hearing about is mostly DMC 3 or DMC 1 Dante in this thread, wheres DMC 4 or 2 Dante who is his older ones?
Also thats gameplay, Sparda forms only showing iirc is in DMC 1 at the end but none of them get much of a cutscene to gauge stats and speed. Also "invincibility" is what we call a no limit fallacy.
Hang on, wheres the chopper at the docks? also he was at best 10-50 meters away from the blast considering he had just a few seconds to fly away before it detonated. Also this does not prove much tbh, we dont know the yield of the nuke in MW afaik while the one in Prototype was designed to take out the whole city, this looks like a tactical weapon in MW further, their further away...their chopper was not hit nearly as hard.
ok.. hold on.. one.. the griffon survived being impaled by a pillar about 10 feet in diameter and was still alive, just pinned. i dont think a missile coulda done any damage like that to him. plus his electrical attacks send walls of lightning out, which woulda just wiped tanks and choppers out with a sweep. its a point in saying that the enemies dante faces are harder to kill, and have the ability to deal more damage than the enemies mercer faces.
and yeah, it is gameplay. but its gameplay that shows while hes in that state, he takes zero damage. period. from anything. no health bar gauge to work out. no nothin. he is not harmed. and the reason i dont use much of dm2, is because.. well.. to be honest. i hate that game. its too easy. and i dont use much dmc4, because its mostly nero, who i hate. and dmc4 dante has nearly the same moveset as dmc3 dante, but with added weapons. did i mention i hate nero? god, that character annoys me. had to deal with playing him just to get to dante, and it STILL made me play as nero at the end. piece of crap.
and.. again. i have to say. yes, hes tired in THAT scene. do you just ignore the entire point that during the course of that game, he starts off without his demonic powers awakened? and that for the rest of the devil may cry series, the only time hes EVER shown tired again, is when hes went through a whole game, and unleashed the outright fullest of his powers... in the underworld. against the underworlds king. and not even 2 minutes later, hes no longer tired.
oh, and.. during that same scene where dante and virgil have torn into each-other, they take.. maybe 30 seconds of resting. and then they're both back up to full energy again, and they go on with their happy slaughter through the tower.
SO.. you have to take into account what dante was dealing with during that day. which.. everything that does happen, happens overnight in dmc3. all night. multiple bosses. up and down and back up the tower, through the leviathan. fighting his twin (whos stronger than he is) and all of that without stopping to eat, sleep, piss or make out the devil-killing chick. and hes only shown as tired once in the game. and you're taking that as his base stamina? yeah, because that makes alot of sense, right?
EDIT; argh.. forgot the chopper thingy. hold on.. keep that subject on hold, i have dmv stuff to attend to..
What? lol? a stone pillar impalement vs missles..."sigh" and the lightning is featless so claiming it can destroy anything in a shot is baseless, the fact he was impaled on the pillar means he can pierced, only missles would blow him to bits. Your making things up....
Everyone hates the game because its a poor game, simple as but that doesnt mean you cant use it if youve got some good cutscenes.
Whats that got to do with anything? his demonic powers display some regen and his Devil trigger, hes still aced by Vergil both before and after he gets DT.
Mercers not going to sit by and give anyone 30 seconds of resting though. His base stamina is him "not tired" when about to fight Vergil with beowulf on his hands and then a few minutes later tired after fighting vergil, thats not impressive stamina really tbh. Considering hes going to have to use a lot of attacks to keep Mercer from smashing him Dantes going to get just as, if not more tired.
Originally posted by Burning thought
What? lol? a stone pillar impalement vs missles..."sigh" and the lightning is featless so claiming it can destroy anything in a shot is baseless, the fact he was impaled on the pillar means he can pierced, only missles would blow him to bits. Your making things up....Everyone hates the game because its a poor game, simple as but that doesnt mean you cant use it if youve got some good cutscenes.
Whats that got to do with anything? his demonic powers display some regen and his Devil trigger, hes still aced by Vergil both before and after he gets DT.
Mercers not going to sit by and give anyone 30 seconds of resting though. His base stamina is him "not tired" when about to fight Vergil with beowulf on his hands and then a few minutes later tired after fighting vergil, thats not impressive stamina really tbh. Considering hes going to have to use a lot of attacks to keep Mercer from smashing him Dantes going to get just as, if not more tired.
except 40mm propelled grenades hardly do jack to griffons face. explosion damage doesnt seem to do a whole lot to him. granted it is a greater damage per shot, depending on the missile, but still. its not making shit up. hes got a limited weather control, (as is evident whenever he shows up, the skies go from clear to instant stormy and rain) can create strong winds with a flap of his wings, and has lightning manipulation.
and how is lightning featless? its freakin lightning. and not only that, but its sustained lightning that can travel as a grid, and/or be held on target for several seconds. rather than just a flash of a microsecond of time normally displayed by nature.
and as far as dantes regen goes. in game, its toned down, but in cutscenes, its pretty ****in fast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65s3dMKzMqc
full on impalement. pulled his own body up through the guard and hilt. hes fine a second later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjebqbe5wJg
skip to 2:30. his fist goes into that blade.. while its still in his hand, he twists his hand to the point where that blade is now being grasped by his fingers. and then throws his brother by it.
during the fight against virgil before lady jumps in. both brothers have been slashing and cutting each-other apart. enough to fill the entire area with their blood. their last strikes to one another cleave through each one stomach without so much as entestines spilling out. his regen is FAST. he even gets shot in the head... twice. by lady. without so much as getting knocked out. and hes only mildly annoyed by it.
and you still miss the point. those scenes of dante tired arent dante fresh, nor are they base dante. its dante as a pup, just barely gaining actual demonic powers. and going through an entire night of battling through a massive tower larger than any human made structure, which is filled with demons of booth mook variety and boss status. and his own twin, who was stronger than he was. you cant just ignore all of that as nothing, when its canon he went through it ALL of it in one night. from start, at his shop, to finish, fighting hordes of demons with lady. so a grown dante,compiled from all the games. isnt going to get tired like that. sorry.
and going back to the chopper thingy. do you know how fast choppers fly? how far underwater that nuke was? you saw the mw vid. it was pretty far from the crash, but when hes crawling around, alot of the buildings were still destroyed from the aftermath of that. the distence the nuke was from the chopper when it went up in mw was farther than the distence the nuke went off at from the city in prototype.
and the buildings around the chopper crash site were all rubble afterwards. they didnt look like that before the chopper lifted off. in prototype, the nuke went off underwater, and took out a chopper that was flying away, as well. but theres zero damage to the city that was closer to it than the other nuke. and you can tell me you dont know the yield of the nuke in mw2. but do you know anything about the nuke in prototype, other than saying "it was design to take out a whole city"? O_o...nukes do that. theres not really a football sized nuke that only destroys a few blocks.
point is. you dont know the specifics. that nuke, while it is impressive.. it wasnt him taking a nuke to the face. he was in the air, flying away from it, shielded by the chopper, and the nuke went off underwater. and the result? he was turned into a small blob, that had to devour birds and possibly other vermin (the video doesnt say what, being a montage) just to rebuild himself.
whereas i give you the mw nuke as a comparison. that thing went off with only a building stopping it from blowing up. and it took out an entire city, too. and has real damage and casualty figures in game. it also took out quite a few choppers. it also killed the guy inside it. though he lived for a while. surrounded by a sea of corpses, but still for a while.
so mercer hasnt taken a full force nuke to the face and survived. he took a buffered nuke shockwave and chopper crash and survived. (barely)a nuke shockwave and chopper crash similar in force to the mw nuke clip.
Originally posted by Matthias Fenris
except 40mm propelled grenades hardly do jack to griffons face. explosion damage doesnt seem to do a whole lot to him. granted it is a greater damage per shot, depending on the missile, but still. its not making shit up. hes got a limited weather control, (as is evident whenever he shows up, the skies go from clear to instant stormy and rain) can create strong winds with a flap of his wings, and has lightning manipulation.and how is lightning featless? its freakin lightning. and not only that, but its sustained lightning that can travel as a grid, and/or be held on target for several seconds. rather than just a flash of a microsecond of time normally displayed by nature.
and as far as dantes regen goes. in game, its toned down, but in cutscenes, its pretty ****in fast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65s3dMKzMqc
full on impalement. pulled his own body up through the guard and hilt. hes fine a second later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjebqbe5wJg
skip to 2:30. his fist goes into that blade.. while its still in his hand, he twists his hand to the point where that blade is now being grasped by his fingers. and then throws his brother by it.
during the fight against virgil before lady jumps in. both brothers have been slashing and cutting each-other apart. enough to fill the entire area with their blood. their last strikes to one another cleave through each one stomach without so much as entestines spilling out. his regen is FAST. he even gets shot in the head... twice. by lady. without so much as getting knocked out. and hes only mildly annoyed by it.and you still miss the point. those scenes of dante tired arent dante fresh, nor are they base dante. its dante as a pup, just barely gaining actual demonic powers. and going through an entire night of battling through a massive tower larger than any human made structure, which is filled with demons of booth mook variety and boss status. and his own twin, who was stronger than he was. you cant just ignore all of that as nothing, when its canon he went through it ALL of it in one night. from start, at his shop, to finish, fighting hordes of demons with lady. so a grown dante,compiled from all the games. isnt going to get tired like that. sorry.
and going back to the chopper thingy. do you know how fast choppers fly? how far underwater that nuke was? you saw the mw vid. it was pretty far from the crash, but when hes crawling around, alot of the buildings were still destroyed from the aftermath of that. the distence the nuke was from the chopper when it went up in mw was farther than the distence the nuke went off at from the city in prototype.
and the buildings around the chopper crash site were all rubble afterwards. they didnt look like that before the chopper lifted off. in prototype, the nuke went off underwater, and took out a chopper that was flying away, as well. but theres zero damage to the city that was closer to it than the other nuke. and you can tell me you dont know the yield of the nuke in mw2. but do you know anything about the nuke in prototype, other than saying "it was design to take out a whole city"? O_o...nukes do that. theres not really a football sized nuke that only destroys a few blocks.
point is. you dont know the specifics. that nuke, while it is impressive.. it wasnt him taking a nuke to the face. he was in the air, flying away from it, shielded by the chopper, and the nuke went off underwater. and the result? he was turned into a small blob, that had to devour birds and possibly other vermin (the video doesnt say what, being a montage) just to rebuild himself.
whereas i give you the mw nuke as a comparison. that thing went off with only a building stopping it from blowing up. and it took out an entire city, too. and has real damage and casualty figures in game. it also took out quite a few choppers. it also killed the guy inside it. though he lived for a while. surrounded by a sea of corpses, but still for a while.
so mercer hasnt taken a full force nuke to the face and survived. he took a buffered nuke shockwave and chopper crash and survived. (barely)a nuke shockwave and chopper crash similar in force to the mw nuke clip.
40mm grenade vs heat seaking missle? hmmm, also 40mm grenades never canonically hit him and further, your making things up when you claim he can knock tanks out and copters with a swing, theres no knowing how strong his attack as is but assuming its that strong is baseless.
Normal blokes can get up after being struck by lightning and you would have to prove the power of this lightning, this is not natural lightning.
I never argued against Dantes regeneration of flesh, thats not what I was argueing...
Its also canon he starts most if not all fights as if he had been resting the whole time, no matter how many mooks he faced, its clearly easy for him and hes not tired when he enteres the chamber, you cant claim someone is tired just because they did a lot prior.
I know choppers can fly very slow, often at hover speeds, they go from zero to max in a second.
And yes, there are much smaller nuclear weapons that can destroy much smaller areas. You have larger ones for taking out cities like the prototype one, but the typical warheads that most craft, especially jets and things use are tactical, small yield ones like less a mega ton.
A chopper is no shield for a nuclear detonation and he had at best a few seconds in the chopper before it detonated. Also thats vastly better than Dantes healing factor, a few cuts and shots to his body and he can regen but Mercer survives after being reduced to a puddle...chances are, Dante will be the "crow" in this case not that Dante can reduce mercer to a puddle, hes not got the power.
Also the MW nuke as I said, would be a tactical one, it blew up a small area as far as the soldier coming out was concerned and he survived...Mercer who is far more powerful than a human was turned to a puddle, this kinda proves the Proto nuke was more powerful despite it desgiend for larger scale destruction.
Its still not really a comparison though is it, Mercer still survived, and he was still not that far from the nuke, a few hundred meters at best. Its more than Dantes ever survived.
Originally posted by Burning thought
40mm grenade vs heat seaking missle? hmmm, also 40mm grenades never canonically hit him and further, your making things up when you claim he can knock tanks out and copters with a swing, theres no knowing how strong his attack as is but assuming its that strong is baseless.Normal blokes can get up after being struck by lightning and you would have to prove the power of this lightning, this is not natural lightning.
I never argued against Dantes regeneration of flesh, thats not what I was argueing...
Its also canon he starts most if not all fights as if he had been resting the whole time, no matter how many mooks he faced, its clearly easy for him and hes not tired when he enteres the chamber, you cant claim someone is tired just because they did a lot prior.
I know choppers can fly very slow, often at hover speeds, they go from zero to max in a second.
And yes, there are much smaller nuclear weapons that can destroy much smaller areas. You have larger ones for taking out cities like the prototype one, but the typical warheads that most craft, especially jets and things use are tactical, small yield ones like less a mega ton.
A chopper is no shield for a nuclear detonation and he had at best a few seconds in the chopper before it detonated. Also thats vastly better than Dantes healing factor, a few cuts and shots to his body and he can regen but Mercer survives after being reduced to a puddle...chances are, Dante will be the "crow" in this case not that Dante can reduce mercer to a puddle, hes not got the power.
Also the MW nuke as I said, would be a tactical one, it blew up a small area as far as the soldier coming out was concerned and he survived...Mercer who is far more powerful than a human was turned to a puddle, this kinda proves the Proto nuke was more powerful despite it desgiend for larger scale destruction.
Its still not really a comparison though is it, Mercer still survived, and he was still not that far from the nuke, a few hundred meters at best. Its more than Dantes ever survived.
a chopper cant even fly during cirtain wind conditions. they dont even have to be extremely bad for it to turn its whole 'flying" thing into a 'crashing" thing. watch the vid of the second time dante faces griffon on the boat. he stops the boat cold before the fight. a boat without open sails. thats more than enough to toss choppers around in a cityscape. especially sence they all so happily fly between the sky scrapers like idiots.
and heat seeking missiles, when they hit another plane. (which are actually VERY fragile.) often dont even kill the pilot before he can eject. but griffon got impaled by something that was the size of a tree to you and me. from pelvis to high chest. and survived. thats like over 1/3rd of his body gone. air to air missiles dont penetrate like that, they dont even explode on outer contact. the missile tracks the heat of its target and explodes when its close enough to do damage. so it wont even hit griffon full on, if it even does lock onto him. damage for damage, massive stone collumn impalement does more.
oh, and.. cruising speed for a light transport chopper like that one is 125 mph. ..cruising speed. are we to assume mercer flies it out of there slower than full speed?
and, the same arguement about the MW nuke can be said about mercers nuke. you dont know the yield. you just assume it was of a yield high enough to level the city. i can assume that sence it was a dictators last resort, he would rather see the entire capital city burn than be lost, and had a similar yield. point is, we dont know. we just know that during the movie, in a matter of maybe minutes, he was able to drop it off into the ocean, and start flying back when it went off underwater. it took his chopper out. and left the city untouched. in MW, a nuke goes off inside a city and takes it ALL out. the only actual fact we have on either of them is that 50,000 soldiers on the american side were killed in the blast. thats not counting civies or faction troops. theres no stats to support mercers nuke was stronger than the MW one. and the mushroom cloud from that one did not cover a small area. it was just much further away away.
and mercer STILL did not take a nuke to the face. he was shielded by both water, and chopper. he got hit by a nukes shockwave, not the full force of the blast. the water took that blast for him. that cutscene was played out in montage mode. it skips time often. he had longer than a few seconds, which means that nuke was sinking, providing more and more buffer of water for him.
and yes, people do survive getting hit by lightning all the time. theres one guy whos been hit 7 times. and each hit was a fraction of a second. at temps of upwards to 54,000 °F. for miliseconds at a time per strike. now imagine that sustained on something for upwards of 3 or 5 seconds. imagine that for a bit. and i still dont see your basis that his lightning is invalid. its freakin lightning. a powerful demon-general who commands the sky isnt going to throwing around small voltage. you have to go by what it shows. which is lightning.
so the only means mercer has thats actually of concern to dante is trying to devour him. seeing as bashes, slashes, impalements, and evicerations wont do any good against him. (the same being said for dantes sword against mercer) and on dantes end, the only things he has that would concern mercer with is ifrit, alastor, pandora, his rocket launchers, the lucifer, the beowulf, the nevan, and any other weapon in which he can infuse his demon powers. (when he uses a certain weapon like ifrit, those bullets fire rounds wholly charged with that type of power. basically, anything to burn and reduce his flesh to mush.
Theres no "cant" unless your talking about wind storms and tornados, theres "not safe" and I cant see Griffin creating those sorts of winds, also you make it sound like Choppers have to be within Griffins range to blast him from the sky.
I dont know where you got that from and he got impaled, meaning his flesh was pierced and its vulnerable also I dont know how you could ever prove a stone pillar can do more damage than a missle lol.
We dont know how fast it was going, but he only had 2/3 seconds at max before it exploded, meaing even if he somehow got it to 125 mph (it slowed down to drop a load, you cant assume it went from little to 125 mph in a second or so).
We do know, we know the projected yield to take out a city, we do not however know anything about the MW nuke.
He wasnt shield, the nukes blast was going through water and chopper, does not make the fact Mercer still took it less impressive tbh considering what Dantes arsenal is nothing by comparison to a nuke. Also, show me "longer than a few seconds".
Why doesnt his lightning come from the sky like the lightning your trying to cite? your doing what Scream paste likes to claim, that all lightning regardless of where its from, or its source (magical or natural) is simply assumed as fast or as strong as natural lightning. This cannot be proven, the lightning needs feats.
The only ones from that list is possibly lucifer and ifrit, add cerberus to the list and your good.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Theres no "cant" unless your talking about wind storms and tornados, theres "not safe" and I cant see Griffin creating those sorts of winds, also you make it sound like Choppers have to be within Griffins range to blast him from the sky.I dont know where you got that from and he got impaled, meaning his flesh was pierced and its vulnerable also I dont know how you could ever prove a stone pillar can do more damage than a missle lol.
We dont know how fast it was going, but he only had 2/3 seconds at max before it exploded, meaing even if he somehow got it to 125 mph (it slowed down to drop a load, you cant assume it went from little to 125 mph in a second or so).
We do know, we [b]know
the projected yield to take out a city, we do not however know anything about the MW nuke.He wasnt shield, the nukes blast was going through water and chopper, does not make the fact Mercer still took it less impressive tbh considering what Dantes arsenal is nothing by comparison to a nuke. Also, show me "longer than a few seconds".
Why doesnt his lightning come from the sky like the lightning your trying to cite? your doing what Scream paste likes to claim, that all lightning regardless of where its from, or its source (magical or natural) is simply assumed as fast or as strong as natural lightning. This cannot be proven, the lightning needs feats.
The only ones from that list is possibly lucifer and ifrit, add cerberus to the list and your good. [/B]
you ever wonder why they dont fly in "not safe" conditions? its because "not safe" means "we're going to crash if we try".
the clip at the end of the game, cuts ahead, in a few seconds, hes a few miles out to sea. thats a montage-type time lapse.
and how do you KNOW? does it state in game what the yield is? or is this an assumption based on a figure of speech someone in game says?
there are different missiles for different types of targets. air to air missiles dont have alot of destructive capability to them, seeing as how things that fly are EXTREMELY fragile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM8E-CogkYE
you dont need a powerful missile to bring down a jet or chopper. and griffon is a living thing with flexibility and size over a jet. and obvious sustainability in a fight, due to his MASSIVE impalement.
and when does lightning need a feat? it looks like lightning, acts like lightning, and in the game data section, its called lightning. so.. its lightning.
and i did add ifrit. i didnt mention cerberus, because i dont know what ice would've done to mercer. ive just gone by things that deal damage via heat and explosions. as it seems to reduce him to mush. i didnt mention artimis, or the nightmare beta, or the sniper rifle, or the smgs, for those same purposes.
Originally posted by Matthias Fenris
you ever wonder why they dont fly in "not safe" conditions? its because "not safe" means "we're going to crash if we try".the clip at the end of the game, cuts ahead, in a few seconds, hes a few miles out to sea. thats a montage-type time lapse.
and how do you KNOW? does it state in game what the yield is? or is this an assumption based on a figure of speech someone in game says?
there are different missiles for different types of targets. air to air missiles dont have alot of destructive capability to them, seeing as how things that fly are EXTREMELY fragile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM8E-CogkYE
you dont need a powerful missile to bring down a jet or chopper. and griffon is a living thing with flexibility and size over a jet. and obvious sustainability in a fight, due to his MASSIVE impalement.and when does lightning need a feat? it looks like lightning, acts like lightning, and in the game data section, its called lightning. so.. its lightning.
and i did add ifrit. i didnt mention cerberus, because i dont know what ice would've done to mercer. ive just gone by things that deal damage via heat and explosions. as it seems to reduce him to mush. i didnt mention artimis, or the nightmare beta, or the sniper rifle, or the smgs, for those same purposes.
Theres a possibility, that doesnt help Griffin when the missle is fired half a mile away, probably further than he can even see.
Its just zooming out imo, theres no real way of claiming theres minutes between the shots.
Its a pretty major staple of the game from the beginning that the bomb was made to destroy the city, why would you use a low yield tactical to blow up a city? makes no sense. if it was a tactical mercer could have just tossed it next to the carrier.
Show me the impalement and jets being fragile has nothing to do with missles, all missles are explosive warheads and considering the size of griffon, an apache could just dump fire hellfire missles from its missle pods and rip it apart, also were talking about a lot of them, Griffin has no feat to survive a missle impact but a lot of missles, possibly between 10-20? not a chance.
Because some lightning, such as Cole from Infamous, or wizards that use lightning have different types, you cant just generalise.
Cerbs ice would probably freeze chunks of him, shattering it into piecies imo its Dantes best hope for a win.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Because some lightning, such as Cole from Infamous, or wizards that use lightning have different types, you cant just generalise.
Both griffon and Blitz cause storms to appear when they arrive to battle also Trish comes down in a form of lightning.