hell does not have trees cuz it would all be burnt down.
Plo Koon made those trees. He's actually a Celestial.
lol do all the threads here get like this cause of stupid topic (d'oh, fictional characters imaginarely fighting isn't what i'd call...smart)
This coming from a person who types like he has Alzheimer's.
or this one and the "what if vader atked blah blah" are somewhat special ??
The only thing here special is you, Corky. Go play in traffic.
I'm sorry if ur to stupid to understand what i write, but its easier like this. Just dont read.
the morronic insults u farted aimlessly in the other post will be attended to tomorrow. My sleep and time basicly is way to important to be wasted just like that on a pathetic excuse of a clown...no offence >.>
I'm sorry if ur to stupid to understand what i write, but its easier like this. Just dont read.the morronic insults u farted aimlessly in the other post will be attended to tomorrow. My sleep and time basicly is way to important to be wasted just like that on a pathetic excuse of a clown...no offence >.>
I've bolded the idiocy for you.
Since no one is actually willing to argue, I win. Earth wins.
Silly troll. I've already conclusively argued this and you couldn't respond.
And this isn't about "you" winning. If you create threads to "win", then you are a "loser", because spite threads annoy everyone but the fanboys who agree with them.
And BTW Janus, if the Empire easily wins just by landing troops and near instantly breaking the will of Earth, then isn't this a spite against Earth?
No, it's not for two reasons:
1. It wouldn't be near-instantly. Nothing happens instantly in war. You and retard1234 need to understand this.
2. You didn't know any of that stuff I posted before I posted it; therefore your intention was to make yet another spite thread and then you whine and kick your feet when you don't "win".
Go play in traffic.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
That's a pretty silly way of dealing with the parts where he basically handles the assertions you're making with movie evidence. "I don't buy it" isn't the same as "I can refute it". I would respect that you at least address the points I have here, even if you dislike Wong. Arguments should not be reflective of their makers, but of their own stand-alone validity.Even if you don't buy his figures (Which come from the Star Wars Episode II Incredible Cross-Sections), he's pointed out some serious flaws in something you've asserted - namely that kinetic energy would destroy an ISD. That's obviously not the case. They soak asteroids which, according to EU material, have multi-megaton yields per hit. They do this for seemingly days or hours in the movie, TESB.
Additionally, they soak fire from warships who have official stats energy outputs far exceeding a conventional nuke. Don't forget that the largest tested nuke was only 50 megatons. The Tsar Bomba was designed for 100 megatons but reduced in design. It's unique in that modern day nukes are not made this way because they're not droppable bombs and they must be made to fit into warheads.
Again, I don't see a bomber dropping anything substantial on an ISD.
The A-Wing, made of space-age material which can withstand multiple reentries of planet atmosphere and the constant radiation of its own firepower, attacks, and just being in space, slammed into the glasteel viewport (Read: the most vulnerable spot on the entire ship) without being blown to smithereens and luckily incapped an entire ship.
So basically, you expect the world to field enough firepower to reduce the shields which can tank anything that we can throw at it, and then expect some kind of concussive force like a flying plane or nuke to just... knock out the viewport?
This relies on two weak premises:
1. That the Earth forces could muster enough firepower to destroy the IMP shields.
2. That they would necessarily be able to capitalize on the one weak spot on the entire ship which is not distracted by larger warships and snub fighters with thermonuclear weapons like in ROTJ.
Let's go over something here:
Acclamator I Class Assault Ship (Link):
Peak (shields): 7 × 10^22 W.
Or in other words 4 2/3 * the energy which the sun hits earth with in a single day can be soaked by the shields of the forerunner of the forerunner of the ISD.
Compare with the Tsar Bomba, the most powerful nuclear weapon used in human history: Orders of Magnitude - Energy (Link). 2.1×10^17 yield, as you can see.
Also: "By contrast, the largest weapon ever produced by the United States, the now-decommissioned B41, had a predicted maximum yield of 25 Mt, and the largest nuclear device ever tested by the US (Castle Bravo) yielded 15 Mt (due to a runaway reaction; the design yield was approximately 5 Mt)." (Source/link)
In other words, current nuclear devices in use aren't anywhere near as powerful as the Tsar Bomba. Fractions of its energy output. Even a 100 megaton theoretical yield would only be 4.184×10^17 watts. This is still lower than a ship a few generations before the ISD in question.
The peak power output of a Victory-class ISD is 3.6 × 10^24 W. Source/Link. If this is comparable to the Acclamator I-class, then the shield peak of the Victory-class ISD is roughly around 7-8 x 10^23.
Or... tl;dr version is - a nuke won't screw up an ISD with a direct hit.
It would take literally the entire payload of every major nation on the planet just to down the shields. Direct hits, too, and mind you that most major nuclear powers rely on ICBMs which are not made to take down mobile targets. Even those have smaller payloads than the 15+ megaton gravity bombs which I've mentioned above (sometimes less than a megaton per warhead!), and cruise missiles - while more accurate - have yields only in kilotons. These would be worthless in combat against something which can unleash more damage per shot with its smaller weapons. Considering that the turbolaser batteries of ISDs are meant to shoot down snub fighters who routinely have enough propulsion power to enter and leave orbit in minutes (See ANH - Battle of the Death Star) and considering 10km is "point blank" range for ship-to-ship action for ISDs, I don't see any nuclear threat knocking them out of the sky.
The ISD tanks Earth on its own.
I didn't read all that (will later), but if ISD tanks Earth on it's own so easily, then isn't this a spite?? They CAN'T do anything to it (according to you), so basically your having something that CAN NOT BE HARMED in any way, and yet you think that it isn't a spite? How can it get any more lopsided?
Originally posted by Janus Marius2. You didn't know any of that stuff I posted before I posted it; therefore your intention was to make yet [b]another
spite thread and then you whine and kick your feet when you don't "win".Go play in traffic. [/B]
Umm...you do realize that I didn't make this thread, right?
I didn't read all that (will later), but if ISD tanks Earth on it's own so easily, then isn't this a spite??
Spite means INTENTION. It's a relatively simple concept. If you constantly make unbalanced threads and then claim to "Win" when the disadvantaged side loses, you're working in spite. Very simple. Even you should be able to understand this.
They CAN'T do anything to it (according to you), so basically your having something that CAN NOT BE HARMED in any way, and yet you think that it isn't a spite? How can it get any more lopsided?
Correction: the thread creator (Whom I assumed was you, because I've argued against you on three different threads with roughly the same premise) already stated that she didn't realize it was that lopsided. Hence, it's not a spite thread.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Spite means INTENTION. It's a relatively simple concept. If you constantly make unbalanced threads and then claim to "Win" when the disadvantaged side loses, you're working in spite. Very simple. Even you should be able to understand this.Correction: the thread creator (Whom I assumed was you, because I've argued against you on three different threads with roughly the same premise) already stated that she didn't realize it was that lopsided. Hence, it's not a spite thread.
I didn't realize that mine was a spite thread (if it was); otherwise why would I argue that it isn't? Even if (according to you) I'm stupid and made a retarded thread, I didn't intend for it to be a spite thread, and I ADMITTED that the Empire would give the Earth a very good fight but that (in my opinion) they'd lose.