Originally posted by Soljer
Which poor logic was that? You were implying that it'd take multiple flashes, they'd have to be moving, and it'd take a while.None are true. Speedforce dump.
The logic in which you implied it would take one Flash to do the same multiple Flashes had trouble doing. Mind you, the character the multiple Flashes forced into the speed force did not have ability of unstoppable forward movement. Hence your logic sucks.
Flash dismantles and rebuilds NYC, relocating the populous, some miles away in less than 8 seconds resulting in a ringout for the Juggernaut.
Though if he can steal his momentum for any length of time he could call in an airlift or remove his helmet by vibrating through it and call in a telepathic bedtime story. I don't believe anything else Flash has, vibrating through Cain and his armor or an IMP, is going to harm Cain in the least.
Originally posted by Enyalus
First Scenario: Flash, 7/10.Second Scenario: Juggernaut, 10/10.
How does Juggernaut win 10/10?
The best either can hope for is a stalemate in my opinion. Flash can't harm him, but Cain ain't touching him.
On a side note.
Would speed stealing work on Cain?
It's shown that just because one is empowered by vast mystical forces, it doesn't mean one wouldn't be susceptible to it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How does Juggernaut win 10/10?
And if all that fails...Flash still needs to eat, sleep, and lacks the infinite stamina that Cain has. So no, it wouldn't be a stalemated indefinitely. Just depends on how long Flash wants to drag out his misery.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Would speed stealing work on Cain?It's shown that just because one is empowered by vast mystical forces, it doesn't mean one wouldn't be susceptible to it.
Originally posted by EnyalusAlmost anyone loses 10/10 to Juggernaut without BFR. He's still got the ability to stomp or strike the ground, thunderclap, or get lucky with a wild swing. And a forcefield to prevent Flash from doing anything to him.
Let's be serious here. Stomping the ground, striking the ground, thunder clap etc. isn't going to do shit to the Flash. Quicksilver yes, the Flash? Pfff.....
That Konvict fight was just utter stupidity if that's what you're thinking off.
Flash's perception should mean getting in a lucky swing isn't happening. To him, Cain would be like a statue frozen in time. His reflexes, reaction time, and how he views the world means him being hit should being hit by Juggernaut with a lucky hit is as unlikely to happen as Juggernaut being one shotted from a kick to the shin by the Flash. Total ignoring of the character's power set. Flash has shown in comics, that this ability is constantly on when he is running moving, and even when he turns it off to enjoy something such as a movie on a date, the moment he is in danger it activates automatically. Writers just ignore it, for sake of plot. I'm assuming here we are using them and all their abilities as you brought up the Force Field something Cain rarely uses at all.
The Force Field won't make much difference either way as I said it's a stalemate.
Can't the Flash create vortex's in time and space (It's extremely late, it hurts to think right now. I'm going to bed after this.)? Meaning could he not just dump Cain off in the Big Bang, or Entropy or something? Does it count as battle field removal, when you're opponent is no more? I think such forces can take Cain out.
Originally posted by Enyalus
And if all that fails...Flash still needs to eat, sleep, and lacks the infinite stamina that Cain has. So no, it wouldn't be a stalemated indefinitely. Just depends on how long Flash wants to drag out his misery.
True he doesn't have infinite stamina, but as he has shown, his sleeping cycles, and meals, happen so damn quickly, he can eat, sleep, and rest, in moments to the point it shouldn't count as self battle field removal, if we are thinking in long term relation.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Could work. Might not work through the shield, though. Might not work at all....remember, they couldn't steal Zoom's speed. Even if he can steal Cain's speed (that's an oxymoron), Cain can will himself more power from Cyttorak at pretty much any point and undo it.
It's not that they couldn't steal Zoom's speed per say as I recall, it's just that Zoom operates by manipulating time in reference to himself. He doesn't use speed. Besides Johns wrote that. We all know how Johns writes the Flash. Great stories but in terms of power levels, the Flash is a punching bag. He needed 15 seconds to run to another city even when he was dead serious. I started dismissing garbage like that from Johns a while back.
I don't see what the Force Field would necessary do. When has Cain shown he can will himself more power from Cytorrak on his own, without outside manipulation or specific circumstances?