CIS would stop Toxin doing any of the brutal Venom-esque tactics, due to the fact he's a cop/hero, so isn't likely to rip out Daken's brain with a tendril.
I think this really depends on whether or not pheremones will affect Toxin, if they do, Daken can stab him and that might own him ( might being due to the insane amount bigger Toxin gets, giving more symbiote to take the hit rather than Pat's organs), if they don't work, Toxin could beat Daken down fairly easily.
I don't believe pheromones would work on a symbiote. Wounds from the Muramasa claws prevent Pat from healing. Does that mean they would prevent the symbiote from healing Pat? If so, Daken's only hope is that he can hit Pat somewhere critical with the Muramasa claws, but hitting the host body, instead of the symbiote is going to be hard work, especially if Toxin is agitated, and he grows to a ridiculous size. Even then Toxin has shown ridiculous resistance to pain.
That's his only hope. Logically speaking though, if Toxin doesn't want to get hit, Daken isn't touching him. Besides the off chance that he can take down Toxin with the Muramasa claws in the beginning, Daken gets massacred here.
Also, I see talk of in character play arguments against Toxin here. The same applies to Daken. Since his gotten his Muramasa claws, when has he used it besides that time with Wolverine?
Going by how they would fight in character, I doubt Daken, would use his claws as almost much as I would doubt, Toxin uses tentacles to rip Daken's brain from inside out. Based on that, there is even less chance of Daken taking down Toxin with those claws, and they are his best and only chance. Toxin, gets a new play toy here.
What speed feats does toxin has that put him above the likes of daken, someone that has blitzed wolverine, spiderman, cyber, deadpool, etc.....
Fighting skills goes to Daken.
Daken healing factor sucks though but its enough for him to take what toxin would be dishing out.
I give this fight to daken; hes overrall just better in almost every category besides strength and durability.
I know the symbiote is versatile but what has toxin done to prove that he's more than just a brute?
Originally posted by carver9
What speed feats does toxin has that put him above the likes of daken, someone that has blitzed wolverine, spiderman, cyber, deadpool, etc.....Fighting skills goes to Daken.
Daken healing factor sucks though but its enough for him to take what toxin would be dishing out.
Also, Daken only blitzed Spidy/Deadpool via pheromones =/
I give this fight to daken; hes overrall just better in almost every category besides strength and durability.
I know the symbiote is versatile but what has toxin done to prove that he's more than just a brute?
Speed wise, he was fast enough to embarress Carnage, someone who has easily matched Spiderman in speed.
Also, Daken got dazed by a kick to the head by Deadpool, how's he gonna react when Toxin hits him with a class 75 punch to the face?
Originally posted by AlmightyKfishYeah and class 10 Spider-man koed him with a punch Toxin would take his head off if he connects.
Speed wise, he was fast enough to embarress Carnage, someone who has easily matched Spiderman in speed.Also, Daken got dazed by a kick to the head by Deadpool, how's he gonna react when Toxin hits him with a class 75 punch to the face?
Originally posted by carver9
Naah, he explained how he blitz people and since that tactic worked on some of the best fighters in marvel u that also has acute senses, it should most definetely work on toxin.
He said 'I'm not faster than you' to Deadpool and in the Spiderman fight it was clearly stated that his pheromones were what let him dodge Spiderman.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Speed wise, he was fast enough to embarress Carnage, someone who has easily matched Spiderman in speed.Also, Daken got dazed by a kick to the head by Deadpool, how's he gonna react when Toxin hits him with a class 75 punch to the face?
Carnage and Venom BOTH have been beat to a pulp by spiderman on numerous of occasions; carnage is nowhere in spidey league in regards of speed.
I agree, Daken did get dazed from a kick by dead pool but daken also withstood punches and attacks from cyber and spiderman. 😕
I think he'll be just fine from a punch from toxin and where was it stated that toxin is class 75 because to my knowledge all symbiotes posses class 25 strength?
Originally posted by carver9
What speed feats does toxin has that put him above the likes of daken, someone that has blitzed wolverine, spiderman, cyber, deadpool, etc.....Fighting skills goes to Daken.
Daken healing factor sucks though but its enough for him to take what toxin would be dishing out.
I give this fight to daken; hes overrall just better in almost every category besides strength and durability.
I know the symbiote is versatile but what has toxin done to prove that he's more than just a brute?
He doesn't have nearly, as many feats as those guys, I mean who does? I can count on my hands the comic books his appeared but based on his supposed stats should he not be far above Daken in strength, speed, durability, agility, reflexes, and so on?
Toxin also trumps him in the versatility category. The simple fact that he is a symbiote and he has shown the versatility that follows a symbiote, such as creating weapons, manipulating tentacles, shape shifting, and so on should place him above Daken in this category.
The only advantage Daken has here, is fighting skill, from what I understand.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Speed wise, he was fast enough to embarress Carnage, someone who has easily matched Spiderman in speed.Also, Daken got dazed by a kick to the head by Deadpool, how's he gonna react when Toxin hits him with a class 75 punch to the face?
I would have guessed Toxin is closer to the class 90 category than the class 75 category. Especially with his ability to get stronger.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
He said 'I'm not faster than you' to Deadpool and in the Spiderman fight it was clearly stated that his pheromones were what let him dodge Spiderman.
During dakens first attack there was no pheromone. It clearly shows when spiderman was affected by the pheromones, you start seeing dots over his head.
In the beginning of the fight, spiderman got blitzed.
Originally posted by carver9
Carnage and Venom BOTH have been beat to a pulp by spiderman on numerous of occasions; carnage is nowhere in spidey league in regards of speed.I agree, Daken did get dazed from a kick by dead pool but daken also withstood punches and attacks from cyber and spiderman. 😕
I think he'll be just fine from a punch from toxin and where was it stated that toxin is class 75 because to my knowledge all symbiotes posses class 25 strength?
Carnage has taken Spiderman and Venom at the same time, Spidy only really wins by outsmarting Carnage.
And Carnage has way more than class 25 strength, stated to be stronger than Spiderman and Venom combined, and showed as such by beating them down.
Toxin easily overpowered Carnage, and also easily beat Wrecker/Piledriver, Wrecker alone was beating down the New Avengers with ease in the Sentry arc...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He doesn't have nearly, as many feats as those guys, I mean who does? I can count on my hands the comic books his appeared but based on his supposed stats should he not be far above Daken in strength, speed, durability, agility, reflexes, and so on?Toxin also trumps him in the versatility category. The simple fact that he is a symbiote and he has shown the versatility that follows a symbiote, such as creating weapons, manipulating tentacles, shape shifting, and so on should place him above Daken in this category.
The only advantage Daken has here, is fighting skill, from what I understand.
Fighting skill and speed which would be enough to pull a win.
Originally posted by carver9
During dakens first attack there was no pheromone. It clearly shows when spiderman was affected by the pheromones, you start seeing dots over his head.In the beginning of the fight, spiderman got blitzed.
You mean when Daken appeared, Spidy dodged him, then got kicked from behind?
That's not a speed blitz.