Battlehammer
Senior Member
Originally posted by Deadline
The point is you said that stating that anything is possible with martial art skill is bad argument, its not.
It is a bad argument when the individual your using has never shown anything that would allow him the ability to match an opponent hundreds of times his strength. It ridiculous your argument, it also strawmaning, which is not even a debate tactic it actually just of form of trolling for the ignorant.
Originally posted by Deadline
Obvously you then have to disprove that Punisher can't choke out Spiderman which you haven't. So yes anything is possible with martial arts.
Prove that Punisher has shown the ability to increase his strength 10 times peak level, because that is what he need to do, to even hope to accomplish such a feat. Or show lifting feats equal to the task of choking out Spiderman.
Punisher has not shown through MA training the ability to increase his strength vast or at all. You are strawmaning, the argument your using is not the end all be all and he context you are using it in, is just that. I hope you realize that strawmaning is just another form of trolling.
Originally posted by Deadline
That point wasn't obvious, that changes nothing and my point still stands.
Yes it was obvious for anyone using logic and sound reasoning. Your point never stood, it been nothing but strawmaning from the start.
Originally posted by Deadline
edit: What time period are we talking about here, because im defintely arguing that he can put him in a choke hold and make him pass out instantly. The longer it goes on the more unlikely it is, but I think he could do it for at least several seconds if Spiderman is gasping for breath and losing conciousness.
The odds of Punihser putting a stronger, faster, more agile, better reflexes and possessing a Spidersense in a choke hold is pretty much non existent. If he even did get him in one which he would not, they don’t work instantly that’s just wrong, even worse Spiderman more powerful body means stronger lungs which mean he can hold air in it much longer. Spiderman also could easily flex his neck which would be to strong for Punisher to even closes, and Spiderman could instantly flex to free himself of the vastly weaker Punisher easily.
Originally posted by Deadline
Um knocking US Agent flat on his back, being able to stun people with comparable durability and even more.
Knocking people over is not knocking them out, nor dos it mean you can knock them out. Who did he stun? If I recall your definition of stun is far from what it actually is.
Originally posted by Deadline
You completely missed the point. If you have enough ability to knock somebody out you should be able to choke them out, it doesn't matter if they are different.
It does matter if there different, one does not validate the other.
You missed the point, be able to hurt some one with punches is not the same as being able to choke some one out. Choking realizes on ones strength more then anything, Punching power does not translate into strength always. They are two completely different attacks that uses different area’s of the body and attack in different ways. For example Tito Ortiz has zero knock out power, but is consider by many the strongest individual in his weight class. Chuck Liddell was able to knock him out, but would not be able to submit him. Except it been more like a 2 year old trying to Choke out Tito Ortiz is comparable to Punisher doing it to Spiderman. Also punches have to do with speed more then anything, strength helps, but the strongest Punchers tend to always been the fastest. Punches also can generate a lot more force then a person can lift produce in strength.
Originally posted by Deadline
No a choke hold can make somebody pass out instantly.
That the shit that happens in movies, have you ever been in a choke hold? It not by any mean instant and someone always has the ability to try and escape though it might be to late. Spiderman tried even a little he effortlessly get out of the much weak Punishers choke hold and him being faster as well mean he have ample time for his respected speed and perception of events to easily escape.
Originally posted by Deadline
True and to be quite honest with you if street levelers did it on a regular basis it wouldnt be PIS either.
But they don’t and it is PIS.
Originally posted by Deadline
Yes so if taking class 100 shots is a high end feat getting choked out by The Punisher is not PIS. I think Cap taking class 100 shots is PIS by the way.
No if taking class a 100 was a high end feat, Punisher choking him out would not even register on the list and would still be which is in fact PIS.
Originally posted by Deadline
No not neccesarily. If Spiderman cant breath properly and is passing out he can't use his class 10 strength. You try lifting something while gasping for breath
He would not need class 10 strength which is his bases level anyways to easily break Punisher grip and arm.
Have you ever lifted weights or watch some one or been to a gym? Man people hold their breath when they lift. Fail again I am afraid, this is getting to be as bad as the Tiger Shark fiasco.