Originally posted by DeadlineWe are not talking martail skills i said in a H2H fight ya skills can be a factor. However you can be a master every martal art there is and you not going to OVERPOWER a guy who can throw cars around with ease
Not really martial art skill. Im actually suprised he did that but thats a high showing.I like how BH tries to imply that the whole thing was badly written.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
We are not talking martail skills i said in a H2H fight ya skills can be a factor. However you can be a master every martal art there is and you not going to [B]OVERPOWER a guy who can throw cars around with ease [/B]
I think we are, BH mentioned that Pun choked Spiderman im assuming that some martial art skill was used eg Spiderman doesnt weigh 10 tons and can still be choked by a skilled enough human.
In some cases something may look like brute force but we can assume skill was used eg Cap TKOing Thunderball.
Originally posted by Deadline
I think we are, BH mentioned that Pun choked Spiderman im assuming that some martial art skill was used eg Spiderman doesnt weigh 10 tons and can still be choked by a skilled enough human.In some cases something may look like brute force but we can assume skill was used eg Cap TKOing Thunderball.
/not in a PIS free enviroment. Spider could just grab punisher hand or arm or whatever and break it.
Originally posted by Deadline
You know there are lots of examples of Punisher evading superhuman attacks and Spiderman attacks? You do know Punisher is capable of dodging Spiderman right?
how about we stay on topic this is not about who can dodge each others attacks of H2H skills.
It is about punisher not be able to overpower spiderman plan and simple.
And how is punisher going to dodge spider grabing his hand while punisher has spider man in a choke hold??????
That is about as sad as the black panther arm bar
Originally posted by DarkOdin
how about we stay on topic this is not about who can dodge each others attacks of H2H skills.
I am staying on topic.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
It is about punisher not be able to overpower spiderman plan and simple.
Like I said martial skill can be used to do that.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
And how is punisher going to dodge spider grabing his hand while punisher has spider man in a choke hold??????
Spiderman is choking and cant react properly? eg your not as strong as you usually are when you cant breath. Trying lifting something while choking.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
That is about as sad as the black panther arm bar
No Spiderman just above peak human reflexes and class 10 strength
Silver Surfer class 100 strength FTL reflexes.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
👆if people going to use stuff like that as real feats then I'm going to do the same with the Firelord fight or the Silver Surfer one...
Not really I explained why its not PIS. However it really doesnt matter because you are now ignoring the masses of scans I have of Pun beating Spiderman.
Its like you are just looking for an excuse to give Spiderman the win. Like I said it could be done but not likely.
Originally posted by Deadline
I am staying on topic.
Like I said martial kill can be used to do that.
How does martial arts help overpower someone that is just plain stupid.
So martial arts makes you physically stronger then someone like spider man????
How about this a 5 your old master of the matrial arts puts a 200 pound man in a choke hold.
What do you think is going to happen?
You have no clue what overpower means do you???
I am pretty sure Spider-Man would find Punisher before Punisher found him so using a feat I saw Spider-Man do when fighting Juggernaut he grabbed a three ton wrecking ball twirled it around like Thor does with his hammer and flung it at Juggs with great speed. Now lets say Spider-Man see Punisher in the van and jumps down behind or in front of the van and flings another three ton wrecking ball at lets say somewhere between 30 and 50 mph and it strikes the van that would do vast damage to the van and anything in it.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
How does martial arts help overpower someone that is just plain stupid.
As I said already Spiderman doesnt weigh 10 tons and highly skilled humans can react before he can.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
So martial arts makes you physically stronger then someone like spider man????
See heres the thing. This clearly shows you don't even understand the point im making and now you're strawmanning.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
How about this a 5 your old master of the matrial arts puts a 200 pound man in a choke hold.What do you think is going to happen?
You have no clue what overpower means do you???
In comic books martial art skill has been used to stun people with class 100 durability and roll with class 100 punches I dont see why it cant involve chokign somebody who is class 10.
With all due respect you don't understand the point im making and you are putting words into my mouth.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
So you're saying, that an 8 year old can basically incapacitate you as long as you're being choked by him? O_o
If he had comicbook martial skill possibly. By the way got those scans yet?
Originally posted by Deadline
Not really I explained why its not PIS. However it really doesnt matter because you are now ignoring the masses of scans I have of Pun beating Spiderman.Its like you are just looking for an excuse to give Spiderman the win. Like I said it could be done but not likely.
As I said earlier I'll come back to that thread when I'm done with my Spidey respect thread stuff and when I've read the whole issues where these scans are from and I will definately find them because of that wonderful site: http://www.samruby.com/title.htm
🙂
Originally posted by Parmaniac
As I said earlier I'll come back to that thread when I'm done with my Spidey respect thread stuff and when I've read the whole issues where these scans are from and I will definately find them because of that wonderful site: http://www.samruby.com/title.htm🙂
Thats not the point really......
Originally posted by DeadlineWith all due respect you don't understand the point im making and you are putting words into my mouth.
If he had comicbook martial skill possibly. By the way got those scans yet?
Not at all you have no clue what iam stating.
your are claim that punisher thru the use of martials arts ccan beat spiderman.
Which guess what i admited that 3 times already 😱
However that is not overpowering someone?
That is beating someone in a fight thru skills.
but to overpower someone implies that you used brute force to overcome that person and punisher is nto able to do that.
Originally posted by Deadline
If he had comicbook martial skill possibly. By the way got those scans yet?
You and me both know that's a copout. No amount of martial skill or leverage can allow an 8 year old to keep a choke hold on a full grown man. 😛 unless he has super strength, of course (w/c is totally not the case here).
Can't remember w/c scan I'm supposed to find. 😛 can I get a refresher?
Originally posted by DarkOdin
Not at all you have no clue what iam stating.your are claim that punisher thru the use of martials arts ccan beat spiderman.
Which guess what i admited that 3 times already 😱
However that is not overpowering someone?
That is beating someone in a fight thru skills.
but to overpower someone implies that you used brute force to overcome that person and punisher is nto able to do that.
Then that depends on your defintion of overpower. Pun can't use brute force but I think he can overpower somebody via skill.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You and me both know that's a copout. No amount of martial skill or leverage can allow an 8 year old to keep a choke hold on a full grown man. 😛 unless he has super strength, of course (w/c is totally not the case here).
Yeah sure its a comic book debate on a comic vs forum about comicbook characters who can use skill to compensate for lack of strength on loads of ocassions....yeah its a copout.