Originally posted by DarkOdin
Overpower someone thru skill is an oxymoron.That's like saying i out smarted someone in a game of chest by punching him in the face.
So now you want to argue about the defintion of overpower now? I see what you mean but I don't neccesarily agree.
Punisher can't use brute force to overpower Spiderman, lets leave it at that and not go off on a tangent.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
No need to argue it is clear you have no clue about the term overpower.
So basically your looking for an argument, ok got it. 😉
Originally posted by Parmaniac
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Interesting you havent proven that Spiderman beats Punisher but your laughing at semantical issues that don't even prove the subject of the thread. 👆
Originally posted by Deadline
Thats not the point really......
no the point is Spidey doged his attacks (including firearms) lots of times easily and one shotted him 2 times while holding back and you treat a PIS showing (Punisher Annual) as a high showing so who garantees me that the rest of the stuff isn't ripped out of content aswell?
seriously if Spidey would absolutely go all out and hit Puns face it would look like carpaccio, you use EVERY "high showing" of Punisher while using mid to low showings of other characters to make this battle possible, in a comic YES Punisher could, would and already has won but on a place like this it's simply a different story.
EDIT: Happy now?
Originally posted by Parmaniac👆
no the point is Spidey doged his attacks (including firearms) lots of times easily and one shotted him 2 times while holding back and you treat a PIS showing (Punisher Annual) as a high showing so who garantees me that the rest of the stuff isn't ripped out of content aswell?seriously if Spidey would absolutely go all out and hit Puns face it would look like carpaccio, you use EVERY "high showing" of Punisher while using mid to low showings of other characters to make this battle possible, in a comic YES Punisher could, would and already has won but on a place like this it's simply a different story.
EDIT: Happy now?
Originally posted by Parmaniac
no the point is Spidey doged his attacks (including firearms) lots of times easily and one shotted him 2 times while holding back and you treat a PIS showing (Punisher Annual) as a high showing so who garantees me that the rest of the stuff isn't ripped out of content aswell?
Er I just posted scans of Punisher being able to shoot and punk Spiderman. So basically you are just ignoring my evidence and labelling it as PIS.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
seriously if Spidey would absolutely go all out and hit Puns face it would look like carpaccio, you use EVERY "high showing" of Punisher while using mid to low showings of other characters to make this battle possible, in a comic YES Punisher could, would and already has won but on a place like this it's simply a different story.EDIT: Happy now?
Oh I see, so every showing of Punisher being able to punk Spiderman is a high showing or PIS?
Im not in the slightest bit happy but really if thats how you're going to debate I really shouldn't bother talking to you.
Originally posted by Deadline
Oh I see so Pun choking Spiderman isn't PIS. Every example of Punisher punking Spiderman is PIS, because thats basically what hes saying.
It backs up what i was talking about with punisher trying to fight spidey in a H2H fight. You know the topic you had no clue what i was talking about "overpowering" 😱
Originally posted by DarkOdin
It backs up what i was talking about with punisher trying to fight spidey in a H2H fight.
Not it doesnt what hes refering to is Spiderman fighting Punisher in a prep situation with weapons. There are loads of scans shwoing that he can do this, that therefore doesnt mean Pun beating Spiderman with prep is PIS.
You made an argument that Pun couldnt beat Spiderman with a choke hold, were talking about prep.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
You know the topic you had no clue what i was talking about "overpowering" 😱
Yeah I did, I didn't have the same defintion of overpower as you.
edit: its possible we misunderstood each other, anyway doesnt prove Spiderman wins though.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/overpowering🙂
to end this
Brilliant Spidermans wins because of the defintion in the dictionary. Sorry doesnt neccsarily prove anything anyway. A weaker person can overpower a stronger person they would just use less force.
Originally posted by Deadline
Yeah sure its a comic book debate on a comic vs forum about comicbook characters who can use skill to compensate for lack of strength on loads of ocassions....yeah its a copout.
It is. Comic books need to be somewhat rooted in reality as well. For example, if a comic book character that doesn't have powers get shot, chances are, he's going to bleed. If a character is holding onto someone, chances are the other guy can grab hold of him and apply strength. :-/
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
It is. Comic books need to be somewhat rooted in reality as well. For example, if a comic book character that doesn't have powers get shot, chances are, he's going to bleed. If a character is holding onto someone, chances are the other guy can grab hold of him and apply strength. :-/
and as I already stated in comicbooks characters use skill to compensate for strength, thats the reality in comicbooks.
Obvoulsy it depends on how skillful the 8 year old is but it can be done.
Originally posted by Deadline
and as I already stated in comicbooks characters use skill to compensate for strength, thats the reality in comicbooks.Obvoulsy it depends on how skillful the 8 year old is but it can be done.
Skill can be applied where skill can become a factor. When the strength difference is this large and there is little to no room to maneuver. Skill can only do so much. Grappling requires strength and skill, not just skill.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Skill can be applied where skill can become a factor. When the strength difference is this large and there is little to no room to maneuver. Skill can only do so much. Grappling requires strength and skill, not just skill.
Yes I know that....however great skill can compensate you for a massive lack of strength.
Edit: In comics of course.
Originally posted by Deadline
Yes I know that....however great skill can compensate you for a massive lack of strength.Edit: In comics of course.
Only in certain situations can skill be applied. In situations where skill cannot realistically be applied to make a difference (panther arm bar anyone?), that is simply stupidity introduced by the writer in order to progress the plot.
And even though the writer has the full capability to warp the laws of physics to fit his story, in a forum fight, that does not apply.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Only in certain situations can skill be applied. In situations where skill cannot realistically be applied to make a difference (panther arm bar anyone?), that is simply stupidity introduced by the writer in order to progress the plot.And even though the writer has the full capability to warp the laws of physics to fit his story, in a forum fight, that does not apply.
Look all your doing is labelling what you like as stupidity. My opinion is based on comics. There are possibly 100s of examples of street levelers using skill against vastly stronger opponents eg throws, punches . If street levelers can stun bricks and throw them but you think that its impossible for an 8 yr old to choke a full grown man in comics then thats up to you.
Again BP armbarring Silver Surfer is nothing like Spiderman getting choked out by Punisher. Skilled humans have been able to react before Spiderman and hes not even that durable. Thats a million miles away from BP armbar.
edit: BP armbar is stupid but im not refering to that.
Originally posted by Deadline
[B]Again BP armbarring Silver Surfer is nothing like Spiderman getting choked out by Punisher. Skilled humans have been able to react before Spiderman and hes not even that durable. Thats a million miles away from BP armbar.
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Originally posted by Deadline
Not really martial art skill. Im actually suprised he did that but thats a high showing.I like how BH tries to imply that the whole thing was badly written.
Becuase it was bad writing, which is evident by the fact Punisher was able to hold a being rediculously stronger then him in a choke, dispite not possesing the strength to do this.