Solid Snake vs Sam Fisher

Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]That is stupid. Whoever said Sam > Snake in reactiontime should be slapped. [/B]

Even if you're being sarcastic, you're right. Snake's reactiontimes were borderline superhuman in TTS.

Sam has no means of so much as detecting Snake due to the latter's superior tech camo, and the fact that the OP gave no mention of any radar equipment.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Even if you're being sarcastic, you're right. Snake's reactiontimes were borderline superhuman in TTS.

Sam has no means of so much as detecting Snake due to the latter's superior tech camo, and the fact that the OP gave no mention of any radar equipment.

No sarcasm.

So what does that mean? Snake is virtually invisible?

Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]No sarcasm.

So what does that mean? Snake is virtually invisible? [/B]

Good to know.

With the octocamo, he's essentially the second or so next best thing.

Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]Because obviously a bullet to the head isn't going to stop him. [/B]

It's not gonna hit him before his hits Sam based on given circumstances.

That didn't tell me much.

Any surface Snake presses up against for a moment, the octocamo immediately takes the pattern and texture of. And based on the different sights with the Solid Eye (>>> Fisher's goggles), it shows to block from night vision and infrared.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
It's not gonna hit him before his hits Sam based on given circumstances.

The given circumstances says this is a stealth battle. Well-geared as Snake is, I don't put him above Sam in stealth skills. And all it takes is a single bullet.

Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]Because obviously a bullet to the head isn't going to stop him. [/B]

Snake wont give him the chance to try.

Originally posted by FeelGood
Snake wont give him the chance to try.

How will he make sure of that?

Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]The given circumstances says this is a stealth battle. Well-geared as Snake is, I don't put him above Sam in stealth skills. And all it takes is a single bullet. [/B]

Why is he better with stealth than Snake?

Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]No sarcasm.

So what does that mean? Snake is virtually invisible? [/B]

YouTube video

0:50

He has a face mask that does the same thing as the suit.

Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]The given circumstances says this is a stealth battle. Well-geared as Snake is, I don't put him above Sam in stealth skills. And all it takes is a single bullet. [/B]

There's pretty much every reason to give Snake the stealth advantage. He doesn't rely on the shadows, he's got the superior camo, he's arguably more agile in his prime based on combat and stealth maneuvers in TTS cutscenes, and he's shown at least once to be able to dodge gatling gun fire (or something close to it). The superior camo alone gives him the superior stealth.

Originally posted by FeelGood
Why is he better with stealth than Snake?

He has more, and better showings when it comes to pure stealth. Snake may have the gear, but he hasn't shown the same level of actual stealth through skills (He doesn't need to, given, but that's not my point).

Some proof would be nice.

Aside from being capable of hiding in situations like broad daylight with more unorthodox, yet efficient means, i.e. a box or drum barrel. Along with his tech giving him the capabilities of blending in like a pedestrian ala MGS4 Act 3.

Originally posted by King-Fingolfin
YouTube video

0:50

To be fair, that's all gameplay.

Originally posted by FeelGood
Some proof would be nice.

It would, wouldn't it ✅

From you yes. Considering everyone agrees apart from you its obvious your going to need some proof to argue against it.

Agrees on what? That Snake has better gear? Is more capable physically? Has fought stronger foes? I agree with all that as well.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Aside from being capable of hiding in situations like broad daylight with more unorthodox, yet efficient means, i.e. a box or drum barrel. Along with his tech giving him the capabilities of blending in like a pedestrian ala MGS4 Act 3.

To be fair, that's all gameplay.

How the Octocamo acts in the video, no.

The guard being a stupid idiot and despite the fact he can see Snake's head, runs past him, yes.

Remember, Snake has a mask that goes with it.

Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]Agrees on what? That Snake has better gear? Is more capable physically? Has fought stronger foes? I agree with all that as well. [/B]

On Sam somehow beating a far superior opponent, I want proof he's better at stealth.

Originally posted by FeelGood
On Sam somehow beating a far superior opponent, I want proof he's better at stealth.

He isn't. I can't prove him to be something he isn't.

He has better techniques, as seen in the video I posted. Snake is a lot more forward than Sam and doesn't use the shadows as often. It's a matter of who sees who first, and I believe in Sam for the first fight at least.