concerning the mindrape thing, i've always found it odd that GDS darkseid could easily hold 3 billion daxamites under his control, but was unable to take control over just a few more [ie. superman/girl.] could it be that he was unable to do so because superman/girl were already 'amped' by a yellow sun, thus making their minds much more resistant to mental assaults? if you remember, darkseid kind of made it a point to control the daxamites while they were still under a red sun [and non-powered] - so it does make sense..
that aside, darkseid still controlled 3 billion+ in FC [an equally as impressive feat, imo] - and there's also this:
-turpin-
"but wrestling with darkseid, well.... it's like trying to beat the ocean unconscious":
[that was, of course, referring to wrestling with darkseid mentally/spiritually.]
so if we use the beyonder line of 'logic', then FC darkseid's mind was roughly septillions of times more powerful than everyone elses, combined. duryes
that's not what i was getting at. you made it sound like GDS-darky controlling 3 billion characters with his acquired power, was any different than FC-darky controlling 3 billion characters with the ALE. meaning, the exotic powers darkseid had accumulated from various objects, and such, during GDS were part of his being - much like the ALE was part of his being, during FC. no difference there.
however, i personally see 'mindrape' as a more viable tactic for FC-darkseid, than i do for his GDS counterpart - do to the ALE.
Originally posted by Enyalusi'm not convinced that the ALE would just... fail.
I don't believe the ALE would work on GDS Darkseid. Wired differently, and all that.
however, i am fairly confident that mindrape on GDS-darkseid's part, would be ineffective.
Originally posted by Enyalusyeah, no argument there. GDS-darky would certainly be superior in the physical department. but if the ALE could be used against him, he'd never get the chance to throw fisticuffs.
Also, GDS Darkseid would physically mangle FC Darkseid.But um, there's not much he'd be able to do after that. So, probably a stalemate or if you count destruction of physical body as a victory...GDS DS FTW.
Originally posted by Galan007
however, i am fairly confident that mindrape on GDS-darkseid's part, would be ineffective.
About the Daxamite red sun mind control theory, though....he did pull the information out of Mon-El's head and render him comatose via mindrape. And Mon-El wasn't depowered at the time.
Originally posted by Enyalusright. i'm just saying that his initial control/hold over the race was preformed when they were still non-powered. also, if he were able to mindrape so easily, you'd think he would have done so on orion/superman/supergirl/the legion - you know, the characters who were actually fighting against him. lol.Certainly.
About the Daxamite red sun mind control theory, though....he did pull the information out of Mon-El's head and render him comatose via mindrape. And Mon-El wasn't depowered at the time.
Originally posted by Galan007
right. i'm just saying that his initial control/hold over the race was preformed when they were still non-powered. also, if he were able to mindrape so easily, you'd think he would have done so on orion/superman/supergirl/the legion - you know, the characters who were actually fighting against him. lol.
Also, Superman's a walking PIS factory. I mean, DS used his "Omega Rays" to BFR Kal back to his own time. Instead of, you know, using it to erase him, which would've been smarter.
So I'm not sure if it was just PIS that he didn't use it, or if he couldn't. He was pretty shocked that his mental hold over the 3 billion Daxamites had been broken. Maybe he was worried about not being able to hold them in thrall AND the Legion at the same time.
Originally posted by Galan007It's because his limit was specifically cut off at 3 billion. I thought that was common knowledge. 😬
concerning the mindrape thing, i've always found it odd that GDS darkseid could easily hold 3 billion daxamites under his control, but was unable to take control over just a few more [ie. superman/girl.] could it be that he was unable to do so because superman/girl were already 'amped' by a yellow sun, thus making their minds much more resistant to mental assaults?
Originally posted by Galan007I like it
so if we use the beyonder line of 'logic', then FC darkseid's mind was roughly septillions of times more powerful than everyone elses, combined. duryes
