Darkseid (FC) vs. Darkseid (GDS)

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Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Tazer
him not having the true ALE, and verily this is backed-up by G.M. in his explanation of it, and instead using that bastardized version of it, is the only way the events couldve played out as they did and make sense.
'bastardized version'? an equation is what the ALE always was [ie. a formula that sapped the free will from any sentient life.] as grant himself said, "it is the e=mc2 of despair."

and it was this formula that darkseid mastered.

Originally posted by Tazer
a) maybe so, but he probably wouldve needed to actively sing it for that to work, and we saw wat doing so *just once* did to his throat.....and even if U can let Supes pass, theres no explanation for Batman, whome he also encountered un-subjugated just b4 they squared off.
just knowing the 'life equation' probably would have been enough for supes to be immune.

Originally posted by Tazer
b) I dont think U can take wat DS said then as a literal example of wat was going to happen......for if that were the case then Bats (by extenuating circumstances to be sure) became the Earth Greatest Mass-Murderer. but since we didnt see *any* of the 3M ppl drop dead (not from the shot, NOR from the BR claiming wat was his), I only see that comment there as villain doing his "huffing" in from of his adversary.
darkseid wasn't killed when batman shot him - nor did he immediately die when the BR showed up. it was only when superman sang the 'LE' that darkseid/the ALE were negated.

Originally posted by Tazer
nono, wat I meant is that G.G.G. laid claim that he helped prepare the populace for DS's return "by using missionaries to spread the gospel of anti-life to every living soul"..........
i think you're missing my point. i'm not saying outside variables didn't help darky spread the ALE. i'm saying that darkseid alone was controlling those who became ensnared by it.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Good that you pointed that out (about him having help to spread the ALE), Galan. Because in multiple stories, like FC, like Rock of Ages, like The Dark Side, and even back in NG v1 (IIRC) Darkseid, once having the ALE, needed to use tech to spread it. He couldn't just randomly infect anyone he wanted to.

And about the multiverse crushing singularity...It wouldn't kill GDS Darkseid before he destroyed FC Darkseid's body. Which counts as a win in a KMC thread, prolly.

And there's always the chance that GDS DS's Omega Effect just erases FC Darkseid's existence. This was the PC OE, afterall.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Enyalus
Good that you pointed that out (about him having help to spread the ALE), Galan. Because in multiple stories, like FC, like Rock of Ages, like The Dark Side, and even back in NG v1 (IIRC) Darkseid, once having the ALE, needed to use tech to spread it. He couldn't just randomly infect anyone he wanted to.

And about the multiverse crushing singularity...It wouldn't kill GDS Darkseid before he destroyed FC Darkseid's body. Which counts as a win in a KMC thread, prolly.

And there's always the chance that GDS DS's Omega Effect just erases FC Darkseid's existence. This was the PC OE, afterall.

yeah, external sources helping spread the ALE isn't what i was debating. it was darky's control over the beings infected that i'ze commenting on.

OE/OS, same shit, different name.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Originally posted by Galan007
OE/OS, same shit, different name.

Except OE = stronger, 'cause it's PC. 😎

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

tee hee.. 😎

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Originally posted by Enyalus
Good that you pointed that out (about him having help to spread the ALE), Galan. Because in multiple stories, like FC, like Rock of Ages, like The Dark Side, and even back in NG v1 (IIRC) Darkseid, once having the ALE, needed to use tech to spread it. He couldn't just randomly infect anyone he wanted to.

I think he could still infect people by word alone. Remember in Revelations Montoya was being infected just by words before Radiant teleported her to safety. Also in 7 Soldiers, DS was able to infect one of Desaad's patients just by word alone.

Also I remember Simonson and Starlin gave it the same properties.

The only element that seemed unique with FC was that strong minded beings like Spectre and the heroes couldn't be infected without a delivery device with overrode whatever innate defenses they had.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Allankles
I think he could still infect people by word alone. Remember in Revelations Montoya was being infected just by words before Radiant teleported her to safety. Also in 7 Soldiers, DS was able to infect one of Desaad's patients just by word alone.
what's odd is that in "seven soldiers" boss dark side seemed to be the only being capable of spreading the ALE, by merely speaking it to other characters [the instance you mentioned]:

fast-forward to "FC" and quite a few of darkseid's underlings were capable of doing the same. it's odd, but i still maintain that the period of time in which darkseid was being reincarnated into turpin is a good explination as to why other characters were able to use the ALE [ie. there was essentially no darkseid in that short timeframe - thus, his croanies had to be used in order to maintain his hold over existence.]

srug

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

That's a possibility Galan, but it's also probable that DS gave them the authority to use it. He resurrected them after all.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

that's what i mean. darkseid gave his croanies the ability to use the ALE, during the time when he was being reincarnated into turpin [the time when he really wasn't 'around', per se.]