Yo.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Yes it does. Earth 616 is the lynch-pin. And it still does not change the fact that Darkseid was this close to replacing The Presence aka GOD. Hell, look at what they had to do to clean up the mess he left behind.
I didnt get that he was replacing God in FC; thats a big boast.......
Tazer
He got close.
Darkseid: I. Am. The. New. God. All is one in Darkseid. This mighty body is my church. When I command your surrender, I speak with three billion voices... When I make a fist to crush your resistance, it is with three billion hands! When I stare into your eyes and shatter your dreams, and break your heart, it is with six billion eyes! Nothing like Darkseid has ever come among you: nothing will again, I will take you to a hell without exit or end, and there I will murder your souls! And make you crawl and beg! And DIE! DIE! DIE FOR DARKSEID!
Originally posted by TricksterPriestIn other words, 'monologue'
He got close.Darkseid: I. Am. The. New. God. All is one in Darkseid. This mighty body is my church. When I command your surrender, I speak with three billion voices... When I make a fist to crush your resistance, it is with three billion hands! When I stare into your eyes and shatter your dreams, and break your heart, it is with six billion eyes! Nothing like Darkseid has ever come among you: nothing will again, I will take you to a hell without exit or end, and there I will murder your souls! And make you crawl and beg! And DIE! DIE! DIE FOR DARKSEID!
Originally posted by TricksterPriestGDS Seid hadn't absorbed any other beings powers at that point when younger Ds defeated him through Orion's aid anyways.
GDS 'seid already lost to a weaker Darkseid. This is Darkseid at his full strength, with the ALE, and GDS doesn't have access to any of the plot devices used to kill him.Final Crisis Darkseid stomps.
It was a weaker GDS Sarkseid that the younger Ds faced. FC Ds did nothing straight up power wise to suggest he can take on Darkseid's greatest showing in gds.
GDS wins.
Originally posted by Tazerthe only external catalyst i can remember, which momentarily slowed darky's total control over the ALE, was the period of time in which he was being reincarnated from the nearly-dead boss dark side, into turpin - [and that could very well be where/why characters like libra, and factors like 'the net', came into play.]
I wont dispute wat haapend in 7 Soldiers due to not having read it, however something else *mustve* happened that changed DS's relationship/control over the ALE when we get to FC, becuz if U look at how its used theres no way it was him in SOLE control of it, not when U have others having a hand in it.
Originally posted by Tazerthere's a few potential reasons for that..
by that token, why didnt DS enslave the OTHER 3 million ppl on the planet when he was fully "born" in Turpins body?? or better yet: why didnt he enslave Supes when he was right there in front of him (if he had the ALE, it doesnt GET much more easier than that..)??
a.) by the time supes encountered darkseid he [supes] had already mastered the ability to entirely negate the ALE, by 'singing' the counter-vibrational 'life equation'. that said, i doubt the ALE would've had much of an effect.
b.) instead of just dying [like he was going to do anyway] it seemed darky would rather have had supes 'kill' him - as doing so would have subsequently killed the 3 billion under his control [even more proof he had sole control over the ALE.]
imo, either/both of those fit.
Originally posted by Tazerhere's the scan i was talking about:
that would be much abliged, since I can seem to find mine.........dangit.
Originally posted by Tazerbut he was still the only one controlling those who were possessed by the ALE:
my problem is that DS wasnt the 1 who sent it; had THAT been there case I wouldnt be questioning its usage........
that's my point.
Originally posted by Tazerif by 'pre-conditioned' you mean, 'exposed to the ALE', then you are correct. how else could it have worked?
FC-DS still only took over ppl who were pre-conditiond to obey him, as opposed to GDS-DS.
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anyhow, i personally feel that FC-darky's TP is >. either way, GDS-darky wouldn't be able to resist the multiverse-busting singularity his FC counterpart caused.... so there. 😛
Originally posted by Enyalus
That was Darkseid's boast. And that was about it. The Presence, The Source, and other high end cosmic entities could've probably blinked Darkseid away.
Not likely, since he's a part of the Source. Btw The Source, the Presence (God), the Overvoid (The Primal Monitor's mind) are one and the same it appears, separated from the multiverse by the Source Wall which got breached by DS singularity.
For one the ALE's limitations were there primarily for story reasons. If DS was only battling high end cosmics the ALE would probably have been written operating the same way it did in the past where DS and Orion could command any entity by word to do their bidding, now in FC he could only do it to regular humans.
FC wouldn't be much of a story if DS could do this to anyone, so an extra element was added. Strong willed people like Spectre, WW and the other heroes couldn't be infected without an added medium, like in WW's case she was infected through a virus, in Spectre's with the help of the Spear and other heroes with Justifier helmets.
As far as DS boast is concerned, he was becoming the new god by transforming all of sentient life into his vessel, basically he was rewriting god's law. I believe FC: Revalations did a good job of describing what DS plans for creation (the multiverse and its sentients) were.
DS overinflated his importance in the grand scheme (Mandrakk was the ultimate threat larger than the Multiverse itself) but DS was becoming the supreme entity in the multiverse.
Originally posted by Galan007b.) instead of just dying [like he was going to do anyway] it seemed darky would rather have had supes 'kill' him - as doing so would have subsequently killed the 3 billion under his control [even more proof he had sole control over the ALE.]
I think this might be the best explanation, he was dying at that point and didn't see the point.
But I think he would have been unable to infect Supes directly like he did the regular humans. It appeared the ALE needed a device in order to infect those with strong minds.
On top of that he had Omega Sanction and didn't really need the ALE if eliminating Supes was a priority.
Originally posted by Allanklesyeah, it seems to be the most character fitting explanation, imo.
I think this might be the best explanation, he was dying at that point and didn't see the point.But I think he would have been unable to infect Supes directly like he did the regular humans. It appeared the ALE needed a device in order to infect those with strong minds.
On top of that he had Omega Sanction and didn't really need the ALE if eliminating Supes was a priority.
agreed. however, most of the ALE-resistant beings carried metron's 'markings' somewhere on their person. if these markings weren't used, almost all of the heroes would've been ensnared by the ALE. even mr. miracle [who has showed immunity to the ALE in the past] still chose to place the 'markings' on himself. imo, that speaks volumes concerning it's potency.
good point. though i'm not sure how powerful the OS really was. though it was presumably = the OE.
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this is also a good quote..
"it [the ALE] is a mathematical proof that darkseid is the rightful master of everything in existence":
Yo.
Originally posted by Galan007
the only external catalyst i can remember, which momentarily slowed darky's total control over the ALE, was the period of time in which he was being reincarnated from the nearly-dead boss dark side, into turpin - [and that could very well be where/why characters like libra, and factors like 'the net', came into play.]here's the scan i was talking about:
well, theres that, and theres also him having understood a small bit of the *true* ALE from *I think* back during the last NG -series, which we saw evidence of in DotNG when he was able to resist M.M.'s FULL control of it..........but the thing of it is: he *never* had it in full, not enuff that he could use it as a weapon.
him not having the true ALE, and verily this is backed-up by G.M. in his explanation of it, and instead using that bastardized version of it, is the only way the events couldve played out as they did and make sense.
Originally posted by Galan007
there's a few potential reasons for that..a.) by the time supes encountered darkseid he [supes] had already mastered the ability to entirely negate the ALE, by 'singing' the counter-vibrational 'life equation'. that said, i doubt the ALE would've had much of an effect.
b.) instead of just dying [like he was going to do anyway] it seemed darky would rather have had supes 'kill' him - as doing so would have subsequently killed the 3 billion under his control [even more proof he had sole control over the ALE.]
imo, either/both of those fit.
a) maybe so, but he probably wouldve needed to actively sing it for that to work, and we saw wat doing so *just once* did to his throat.....and even if U can let Supes pass, theres no explanation for Batman, whome he also encountered un-subjugated just b4 they squared off.
b) I dont think U can take wat DS said then as a literal example of wat was going to happen......for if that were the case then Bats (by extenuating circumstances to be sure) became the Earth Greatest Mass-Murderer. but since we didnt see *any* of the 3M ppl drop dead (not from the shot, NOR from the BR claiming wat was his), I only see that comment there as villain doing his "huffing" in from of his adversary.
Originally posted by Galan007
but he was still the only one controlling those who were possessed by the ALE:http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1863538/darky1.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1863539/darky2.jpg.html
that's my point.
really?? cuz I thought it was Libra who controlled the Justifiers......
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Originally posted by Galan007
if by 'pre-conditioned' you mean, 'exposed to the ALE', then you are correct. how else could it have worked?----
anyhow, i personally feel that FC-darky's TP is >. either way, GDS-darky wouldn't be able to resist the multiverse-busting singularity his FC counterpart caused.... so there. 😛
nono, wat I meant is that G.G.G. laid claim that he helped prepare the populace for DS's return "by using missionaries to spread the gospel of anti-life to every living soul"..........
GGG had laid out the ground-work for those who got taken by that other type of ALE.
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ok, I guess yur gonna feel how U feel about it and the same goes for me.
and GDS-Ds wouldnt bother to resist it, since he'd simply ape the singularity and remake the entire multiverse in his image!! 😈
Tazer
