Silver Surfer vs The Flash

Originally posted by Avlon
Looking at it that way I guess that means Black Panther, Alicia Masters, Red Hulk, and Mister Fantastic (and other FF members)must all have the same FTL perception considering that they have all traveled on the board just fine and saw everything.

Guys like Batman, Captain America, and even Batgirl has feats that make Surfer looks like a fool on foot.

i don't remember the instances you're talking about, nor how fast they were actually going. and . . . alicia is blind. it's possible they could see distant things like i can see distance clearly in a jet moving at 800mph, but anything up close is impossible. put them on the board, make it go ftl and then see if they can pilot through an asteroid field. i'm thinking that's not gonna happen . . .

so you're of the opinion ss couldn't see and react to a punch thrown by cap or batgirl?

Originally posted by Avlon
I agree to a certain extent on this which is why I didn't get into all the extra details...however, the original point stands... they were able to see and process their traveling (and not always in atmosphere)just fine.

Even if in atmosphere, when on a board, whatever passenger is with surfer (or if they 'jacked' the board) has no problem navigating it.

There is no solid proof of Surfer having any true superspeed. 30+ years of comics have shown that he is enhanced, but never anything remotely close to an actual speedster.

Originally posted by Mindship
Yeah, weird considering how the board is supposed to be an extension of the Surfer. Maybe that's how the Panther armbarred him. Board / arm: what's the diff. 😉
Basically, the writers are going to do whatever moves the story along.

I believe it's 40+ years 😛 . However, if a writer did decide to throw it in, it would be consistent with Surfer's open powerset.

agreed. and i'm thinking that reed or BP or alicia wouldn't be doing something like this:

http://img90.imageshack.us/i/silversurfer199612206jx3.jpg/

noting and calculating the locations of BILLIONS of stars. seriously, if that's not ludicrous perceptual speeds . . .

I can't see their brains working fast enough to track an electrical signal either...

Originally posted by darthgoober
I can't see their brains working fast enough to track an electrical signal either...

That's impressive.

Why is he talking about holding his consciousness together?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
That's impressive.

Why is he talking about holding his consciousness together?

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't remember the instances you're talking about, nor how fast they were actually going. and . . . alicia is blind. it's possible they could see distant things like i can see distance clearly in a jet moving at 800mph, but anything up close is impossible. put them on the board, make it go ftl and then see if they can pilot through an asteroid field. i'm thinking that's not gonna happen . . .

If they are being protected by the relativistic effects..I don't see why they couldn't pilot it the same. It's been navigated, and disregarding things that the author probably didn't think about such as air, speech in space,etc... it still shows characters other than Surfer just fine on the board observing and navigating just fine.

Originally posted by leonidas
so you're of the opinion ss couldn't see and react to a punch thrown by cap or batgirl?

I don't see why he couldn't react regarding other humans can react to it... however, they still have been reaction feats to their name than SS does... nor has he shown any real kind of impressive arm/foot speed.

Flash.

Originally posted by Avlon
If they are being protected by the relativistic effects..I don't see why they couldn't pilot it the same. It's been navigated, and disregarding things that the author probably didn't think about such as air, speech in space,etc... it still shows characters other than Surfer just fine on the board observing and navigating just fine.

they likely could pilot it if ss says they could. just no way they could pilot it anywhere near as fast. or do you think cap could fly the thing through an asteroid feild travelling ftl? i still haven't seen any of the instances you're talking about either.

I don't see why he couldn't react regarding other humans can react to it... however, they still have been reaction feats to their name than SS does... nor has he shown any real kind of impressive arm/foot speed.

so where are you going to set the limit on what he can react to and what are you going to base that limit on? becasue seeing/calculating BILLIONS of stars moving at the speeds ss does is a LUDICROUS feat, as is the other one goob showed.

Originally posted by leonidas
they likely could pilot it if ss says they could. just no way they could pilot it anywhere near as fast. or do you think cap could fly the thing through an asteroid feild travelling ftl? i still haven't seen any of the instances you're talking about either.

so where are you going to set the limit on what he can react to and what are you going to base that limit on? becasue seeing/calculating BILLIONS of stars moving at the speeds ss does is a LUDICROUS feat, as is the other one goob showed.

I highly doubt blackpanther, Mr fantastic, or any other FF members have ever been able to fully perceive evrything around them on SS board while performing complex movements at superspeed. (I dont even recall an instance where they were even on his board while operating at superspeed.) Red hulk actually had SS powercosmic so he doesnt really apply here. Even then he still did not operate at extremely high speeds.

facepalm

Anyway, my money would be on Surfer. He doesn't need really fast on panel hand movement feats to simply stick his arm out to the side and do a hyperlight speed clothesline, shoulder block, or knee smash utilizing his "traveling speed" as the momentum behind the blow, and his durability and density at those speeds will do the rest upon impact. Not quite as finesse as millions of punches, but just as effective.

alicia masters was riding the board under the willpower of surfer. he even gave her a force field so that she could go through a black hole without getting hurt.

are there any recent appearences of norrin?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
are there any recent appearences of norrin?

Oh, and Godhunter.

rulk doesnt register with me, and i pray its not canon

hows the skaar and Godhunter appearace, i hope he doesnt job to BRB

Originally posted by Sin I AM
hows the skaar and Godhunter appearace, i hope he doesnt job to BRB

Silver Savage style.

so skaar doesnt have the oldpower anymore...hmmm i foresee him getting it back though.

About time he showed some backbone

Originally posted by Sin I AM
so skaar doesnt have the oldpower anymore...hmmm i foresee him getting it back though.

About time he showed some backbone

well hulk is the strongest there is......😉