Originally posted by Ryo 666
Thanks.GL caught him from behind, not to mention Zoom was toying with the heroes again.
Lets you know how fast Hal can be. Caught Zoom from behind, while he was running in circles around WW mind you. Zoom toys with almost everyone, still doesnt take away from they fact that they cant do anything about it.
Originally posted by Ryo 666
Sure Hals fast but unless you got him reacting to anything like how fast Zoom was going in the Flash fight then Hal loses. That catching feat isn't that impressive.
That catching feat isnt impressive? There arent many ppl who can do that. Especially while hes already in mid run. Why do i need to i need to post something with Hal reacting to something similar to the speed Zoom was displaying when he fought Wally? Zoom doesnt always move at light speed. He went that fast because hes fighting Flash. If we're using him at peak lvl's, then its only fair we use Hal at peak lvl's to. If thats the case, i definitely dont see Zoom beating Hal. Hed have more of a chance going by average showings.
With this fight, im leaning towards Hal.
Originally posted by Ryo 666
I said it isn't THAT impressive. Not when you compare to how fast Zoom goes other times. He goes as fast as he needs to or feels like going. Which will be faster than Hal can react.
I think it is THAT impressive when i cant name 4 people whos actually caught him while running. Yes, Zoom goes as fast as he needs to, however because hes not fighting a speedster, he may operate at normal Zoom lvls, thus giving Hal more of an opportunity to tag him. Also with him not being able to steal speed or vibrate through things, goes moreso in Hals favor.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I think it is THAT impressive when i cant name 4 people whos actually caught him while running. Yes, Zoom goes as fast as he needs to, however because hes not fighting a speedster, he may operate at normal Zoom lvls, thus giving Hal more of an opportunity to tag him. Also with him not being able to steal speed or vibrate through things, goes moreso in Hals favor.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
As if those scans makes much of a difference...
He's right. One feat of catching a Zoom not paying attention and not' going close to how fast he does doesn't make Hal able to beat him.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
If Hal had been able to do -anything- to Zoom while he had him, it might've been impressive. That scan makes very little difference for or against and if Hal does win here, which he doesn't, it's because of years and years of consistent portrayl.
Are you saying that Hal wouldnt have been able to do anything to him if he wanted to? The scan does make a difference just to show that even with Zoom running at that speed, hed still be able to get caught. Hes not moving to fast to where he cant be touched.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Are you saying that Hal wouldnt have been able to do anything to him if he wanted to? The scan does make a difference just to show that even with Zoom running at that speed, hed still be able to get caught. Hes not moving to fast to where he cant be touched.
Because Zoom is chillin' out.
You think he's trying to really get 'em? There's a reason why his punches affected Superman and Batman equally. Zoom is just playing around, chillin', check out women and such. He regulates his speed so that he's faster than them, but not too fast. If Zoom moves too fast they won't be able to hear what he's saying.
Hal caught him off guard. When Zoom is running around hitting Wonder Woman then of course Hal can catch him. Hal's ring CAN keep up with people hitting lightspeed and so on. Doesn't mean shit when the fighting actually goes down though. Hal can't keep up with someone who makes Superman look like a statue.
Originally posted by Ryo 666
He's right. One feat of catching a Zoom not paying attention and not' going close to how fast he does doesn't make Hal able to beat him.
That feat is to show hal would be capable to grabbing zoom. Hes speeding around in a circle and just got plucked like it was nothing. Regardless if he was paying attention or not, he was moving at high speeds and hal operated at his speed lvl. Its obvious we see things differently with that scan, so ill leave you to your opinion.
Originally posted by jrodslam
That feat is to show hal would be capable to grabbing zoom. Hes speeding around in a circle and just got plucked like it was nothing. Regardless if he was paying attention or not, he was moving at high speeds and hal operated at his speed lvl. Its obvious we see things differently with that scan, so ill leave you to your opinion.
Nobody's disputing Hal's ability to react at high speeds.
Clearly, this does not make much of a difference against Zoom.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Because Zoom is chillin' out.You think he's trying to really get 'em? There's a reason why his punches affected Superman and Batman equally. Zoom is just playing around, chillin', check out women and such. He regulates his speed so that he's faster than them, but not too fast. If Zoom moves too fast they won't be able to hear what he's saying.
I never stated hes really trying to get em. And maybe you can help me out, but what indication do you have that he hit Bats and Supes equally? Cause im sure if he did his supes as equally as he hit bats, Supes probably wouldnt have budged. And if it were the other way around, Bats would probably have a broken jaw. Unless we're just gonna call cis on the entire confrontation? If he moves to fast, they wont hear what hes saying? Its a comic. There have been many times flash has moved faster that the human eye could even follow and even from feet away, he could be heard.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Hal caught him off guard. When Zoom is running around hitting Wonder Woman then of course Hal can catch him. Hal's ring CAN keep up with people hitting lightspeed and so on. Doesn't mean shit when the fighting actually goes down though. Hal can't keep up with someone who makes Superman look like a statue.
Thanks for helping me prove the point ive been trying to make from my initial post. Hal is going to be able to keep up with Zoom and even catch him. Regardless if hes paying attention, he was still moving at very high speeds and Hal caught him. You totally contradict yourself in that paragraph. Hal can keep up with ppl hitting at lightspeed and so on, yet he cant keep up with someone who makes Superman look like a statue?
Originally posted by Ryo 666
Did you ever pay attention to his post?He said Hal moves lightspeed.
Zoom clearly goes faster than that.
Not sure if you were reading. Reread both, then edit your post.
I assume "lightspeed and so on", which was stated by Blaze btw, means faster than lightspeed as well? Thats what was said, so...😬 Also, i know Zoom moves faster than lightspeed, but the likely hood of him going faster than lightspeed while fighting Hal is minimal, but IF he did, hal would be able to keep up.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I never stated hes really trying to get em. And maybe you can help me out, but what indication do you have that he hit Bats and Supes equally? Cause im sure if he did his supes as equally as he hit bats, Supes probably wouldnt have budged. And if it were the other way around, Bats would probably have a broken jaw. Unless we're just gonna call cis on the entire confrontation? If he moves to fast, they wont hear what hes saying? Its a comic. There have been many times flash has moved faster that the human eye could even follow and even from feet away, he could be heard.?
The damage they receieved was equal, that's what I meant when I say that he hit them equally. If he had hit Batman with the same force he hit Superman, then Batman would be the batstain. My point was that Zoom was in control of the situation. He has never, ever tried to kill a hero. Zoom's attitude has been pretty well portrayed in Flash, Wonder Woman and the FC rogue comics.
The Flashes very often communicate at speeds which most people are unable to keep up with. Most recent incidents are the latest fight with Vandal Savage or Barry/Wally's chats in Final Crisis.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Thanks for helping me prove the point ive been trying to make from my initial post. Hal is going to be able to keep up with Zoom and even catch him. Regardless if hes paying attention, he was still moving at very high speeds and Hal caught him. You totally contradict yourself in that paragraph. Hal can keep up with ppl hitting at lightspeed and so on, yet he cant keep up with someone who makes Superman look like a statue?
You just don't seem to understand how fast Zoom can move. He can go so fast that Wally can't even see him. Superman was standing still in the air while Zoom and Wally were fighting across the world. Wally, Superman and most Green Lanterns can hit lightspeed relatively easy. That is far from the upper speed limit her. The flashes and anti-flashses go far beyond that.
In Zoom's case, he can go much, much, much beyond that.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Unlike if this were a Hal vs Wally, Barry, etc fight, Zoom cant steal speed. Nor can he vibrate through objects like the other flash's can.
Zoom has learned how to vibrate, plus he has his zoom-blasts and the sonic booms. Like we saw Inertia become capable of, he can attack people from different places in time. This is how Zoom was beaten after all.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Also, i know Zoom moves faster than lightspeed, but the likely hood of him going faster than lightspeed while fighting Hal is minimal, but IF he did, hal would be able to keep up.
I disagree with both of these. Why wouldn't he go faster than ligthspeed? If Zoom wants Hal dead, then Hal wouldn't be able to do anything....
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
The damage they receieved was equal, that's what I meant when I say that he hit them equally. If he had hit Batman with the same force he hit Superman, then Batman would be the batstain. My point was that Zoom was in control of the situation. He has never, ever tried to kill a hero. Zoom's attitude has been pretty well portrayed in Flash, Wonder Woman and the FC rogue comics.The Flashes very often communicate at speeds which most people are unable to keep up with. Most recent incidents are the latest fight with Vandal Savage or Barry/Wally's chats in Final Crisis.
Its established that Zoom operates at faster speeds depending on who hes gonna fight. As far as him trying to kill heroes, JSA #8 Zoom was going to kill damage and flash #223 he was going to kill Bart. And although Zoom doesnt usually try to kill heroes, he'll kill someone close to them, like Wallys unborn kids.
More often than not, the Flash's are able to communicate with ppl who dont move at their speeds just fine.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You just don't seem to understand how fast Zoom can move. He can go so fast that Wally can't even see him. Superman was standing still in the air while Zoom and Wally were fighting across the world. Wally, Superman and most Green Lanterns can hit lightspeed relatively easy. That is far from the upper speed limit her. The flashes and anti-flashses go far beyond that.In Zoom's case, he can go much, much, much beyond that.
Tell me. How fast can Zoom move? Wally once absorbed speed just so he can try to go lightspeed instantly and he barely kept up. In a later issue, he was still able to keep up with Zoom and he didnt have to absorb speed from anyone. I remember the fight youre talking about where they were fighting and all other heroes were still. Since its established lanterns can hit lightspeed easily and far from their upper speed limit, why are we going back and forth? Not all flashes nor anti flashes go faster than that. I know Jay cant. Not can prof from what i can remember unless thats changed.
You state that Zoom can go much, much, much beyond that, but where was this stated? And again, it would be highly doubtful that he fights at that speed while fighting Hal, but if he does, again, hal would still be able to keep up.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Zoom has learned how to vibrate, plus he has his zoom-blasts and the sonic booms. Like we saw Inertia become capable of, he can attack people from different places in time. This is how Zoom was beaten after all.
Since when can he do that? He can vibrate to shake loose of a hold, but he cant vibrate through as in become immaterial.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I disagree with both of these. Why wouldn't he go faster than ligthspeed? If Zoom wants Hal dead, then Hal wouldn't be able to do anything....
The question is why would he go faster than lightspeed? If Zoom wanted Hal dead, how do you suppose hed do that? Id assure you hal would have a easier time killing zoom than the other way around.