GL Hal vs Zoom

Originally posted by jrodslam
Its established that Zoom operates at faster speeds depending on who hes gonna fight. As far as him trying to kill heroes, JSA #8 Zoom was going to kill damage and flash #223 he was going to kill Bart. And although Zoom doesnt usually try to kill heroes, he'll kill someone close to them, like Wallys unborn kids.

He wasn't trying to kill Damage, he was trying to make him better. Which he did, Damage experienced some proper character development for the first time again since like...zero hour? Zoom DID kill Wally's kids several times actually, and without assistance it would've continued, but he would never have killed wally.

The rest are good arguments, I will have to try and retort them when I get home!

Originally posted by jrodslam
Not sure if you were reading. Reread both, then edit your post.

I assume "lightspeed and so on", which was stated by Blaze btw, means faster than lightspeed as well? Thats what was said, so...😬 Also, i know Zoom moves faster than lightspeed, but the likely hood of him going faster than lightspeed while fighting Hal is minimal, but IF he did, hal would be able to keep up.

I see what I did there lol.

Either way Zoom has shown to be far more powerful than Superman, Flash Wonder Woman etc. Hal catching an unprepared Zoom means nothing.

Zoom can make Superman seem like a statue hes moving so fast. If Zooms goal was to beat GL without trying to teach him or talk to him then Zoom would beat him quickly and efficiently because he wouldn't be worried about prolonging the fight and letting Hal learn something. BUT if he was trying to talk before beating he would keep himself at levels than Hal can catch up with, but that's not going to happen on the forum.

Can Hal keep up with a Zoom that makes Superman seem a statue? No? Yes?

Originally posted by Ryo 666
BUT if he was trying to talk before beating he would keep himself at levels than Hal can catch up with, but that's not going to happen on the forum.

actually it can. 😛

just doesn't always have to happen.

Concerning Zoom is an odd character, in forum fights is Zoom going to talk and fight or just fight?

Hal will win sometimes do to Zoom talking to him

But when Zoom does talk he is always in control. Say Hal got in a surprise attack, its far more likely Zoom will avoid it or something.

Originally posted by Ryo 666
Concerning Zoom is an odd character, in forum fights is Zoom going to talk and fight or just fight?

for the most part, you can assume he's going to try and "make him better" but he still has the intelligence to not limit himself to it.

if he can't make hal better, and hal hasn't ko'd him, zoom can go all out.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
He wasn't trying to kill Damage, he was trying to make him better. Which he did, Damage experienced some proper character development for the first time again since like...zero hour? Zoom DID kill Wally's kids several times actually, and without assistance it would've continued, but he would never have killed wally.

The rest are good arguments, I will have to try and retort them when I get home!

He initially tried to teach damage a lesson dating back to infinite crisis, but he didnt learn the lesson zoom was trying to teach him, so he was gonna kill him.

After killing wallys unborns, wally did become a better hero in a way. thats why zoom never killed him. He was however going to kill bart.

The Zoom KOes Hal.

Originally posted by jrodslam
He initially tried to teach damage a lesson dating back to infinite crisis, but he didnt learn the lesson zoom was trying to teach him, so he was gonna kill him.

After killing wallys unborns, wally did become a better hero in a way. thats why zoom never killed him. He was however going to kill bart.

did zoom want to get hit by that piece of wood too?

zoom seems to me to be one of those characters who made a HUGE splash in their first appearance but hasn't done anything since to equal it. happens a lot in first appearances. i'm not saying disregard those initial feats, just that all the other ones can't be discounted either. and if you use high-end-only feats for zoom, we better use high-end-only feats for hal as well.

btw--what other issues of flash has zoom battled wally in aside from that first arc in 199 and 200?

The thing is he hasnt needed to use his high feats again because he hasn't been challenged enough to use those feats. Easily beating on Superman is high enough I should think.

Originally posted by Ryo 666
The thing is he hasnt needed to use his high feats again because he hasn't been challenged enough to use those feats. Easily beating on Superman is high enough I should think.

why couldn't he dodge the wood if he can go as fast as he wants which i've heard a number of times now?

What about past showing with Hal? He was able to catch a Wally and a Barry Allen with no problem. check out some of these feats.

http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=132452

Originally posted by leonidas
why couldn't he dodge the wood if he can go as fast as he wants which i've heard a number of times now?

Wouldn't be able to give lessons if he always used his top speed would he?

He goes fast enough for the situation at hand.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
What about past showing with Hal? He was able to catch a Wally and a Barry Allen with no problem. check out some of these feats.

http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=132452

But Flash wasn't going normal speed either when Zoom faced him, when he was, Zoom was destroying if I remember.

Originally posted by leonidas
did zoom want to get hit by that piece of wood too?

zoom seems to me to be one of those characters who made a HUGE splash in their first appearance but hasn't done anything since to equal it. happens a lot in first appearances. i'm not saying disregard those initial feats, just that all the other ones can't be discounted either. and if you use high-end-only feats for zoom, we better use high-end-only feats for hal as well.

btw--what other issues of flash has zoom battled wally in aside from that first arc in 199 and 200?

Lol. No. It caught him off guard too. You can tell by the look in his eyes.

I agree with what youre saying about how characters are first portrayed in comics. And i also agree that if we're gonna use Zooms high end feats, we need to use Hals.

They battles again in 224 225.

Originally posted by Ryo 666
But Flash wasn't going normal speed either when Zoom faced him, when he was Zoom was destroying if I remember.

Hal has traveled FASTER than the speed of light before. Not to mention his ring can latch onto things in multiple time lines. Check out some of the feats.

Originally posted by Ryo 666
Everyone has low feats but we are given a reason why Zoom doesn't also use high feats.

Wouldn't be able to give lessons if he always used his top speed would he?

He goes fast enough for the situation at hand.

Whenever Zoom gives his "lessons", hes always still moving faster than the person hes trying to teach. Why go lvl 10 if the person hes trying to tech is only lvl 6? Zoom would just have to operate on lvl 7 or 8 to be successful.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Lol. No. It caught him off guard too. You can tell by the look in his eyes.

I agree with what youre saying about how characters are first portrayed in comics. And i also agree that if we're gonna use Zooms high end feats, we need to use Hals.

They battles again in 224 225.

Im gonna go over some Zoom appearances again.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Whenever Zoom gives his "lessons", hes always still moving faster than the person hes trying to teach. Why go lvl 10 if the person hes trying to tech is only lvl 6? Zoom would just have to operate on lvl 7 or 8 to be successful.

Yeah... 😕