Originally posted by jrodslam
He initially tried to teach damage a lesson dating back to infinite crisis, but he didnt learn the lesson zoom was trying to teach him, so he was gonna kill him.After killing wallys unborns, wally did become a better hero in a way. thats why zoom never killed him. He was however going to kill bart.
Wow....Not a very good showing for Zoom. He can take punches from Superman and Flash's best, but a steel bar knocks him out cold. Regardless, seeing the steel bar come and then not being able to dodge it, what the hell!
Originally posted by Prep-Man
What about past showing with Hal? He was able to catch a Wally and a Barry Allen with no problem. check out some of these feats.http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=132452
Which feat is supposed to make Hal capable of taking out Zoom?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Wow....Not a very good showing for Zoom. He can take punches from Superman and Flash's best, but a steel bar knocks him out cold.
I don't know why people think that Zoom is super durable. Taking a punch from WW doesn't mean he's got top tier durability.
A bullet could kill him (no sharp point durability). And according to Zoom himself, running into walls without vibrating could kill him too.
Originally posted by Allankles
I don't know why people think that Zoom is super durable. Taking a punch from WW doesn't mean he's got top tier durability.A bullet could kill him (no sharp point durability). And according to Zoom himself, running into walls without vibrating could kill him too.
Taking a punch from Superman would mean that you have some sort of superhuman durability. So would taking one of the Flash'es crazy window-shattering punches.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Taking a punch from Superman would mean that you have some sort of superhuman durability. So would taking one of the Flash'es crazy window-shattering punches.
I didn't say his durability isn't superhuman. I said running into walls and regular bullets can kill him, i.e. his durability is nothing to write home about.
Originally posted by Allankles
I didn't say his durability isn't superhuman. I said running into walls and regular bullets can kill him, i.e. his durability is nothing to write home about.
But how can he have durability enough to withstand some of Flash's strongest punch and regardless of PIS, a steel bar from someone with superstrength at superspeed, is bound to do a shitload more damage than a bullet.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
But how can he have durability enough to withstand some of Flash's strongest punch and regardless of PIS, a steel bar from someone with superstrength at superspeed, is bound to do a shitload more damage than a bullet.
The same way the Flashes can take his punches and get killed by bullets or a falling washing machine. Zoom has super human durability but so do a lot of other guys who can get killed by bullets and by speeding into walls.
When it comes to speedsters you just have to have to be willing to suspend your disbelief when they brawl.
here's a couple scans from the second meeting between zoom and wally. here wally confirms that he has ONLY JESSE'S speed when he matched zoom, but goes on to keep up with zoom THIS time around, even if barely. ultimately he throws his arms fast enough to smash zoom, something he couldn't come CLOSE to doing in zoom's first appearance.
http://img146.imageshack.us/i/28715042.jpg/
http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=28720407.jpg
and here's hal easily keeping up with flash moving at lightspeed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/greenlantern13-13.jpg
Yo.
Originally posted by Galan007
zoom has already slapped hal around/phased/broke out of his constructs. no reason to think things would be any different here [especially with current GL's being written.... how they're written.] 👇zoom ftw.
U werent referring to the following as him "breaking free", were U??
Originally posted by jrodslam
becuz to be quite honest, all I see is him having gotten free of loose chain around his legs, and not some "wow, that looks rather complicated" contraption.
I dont see anything preventing Hal from catching him in a bubble, sucking out the oxygen and calling it a day here.......
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Originally posted by leonidasThat's Precrisis Barry and Hal I doubt Gl's can react that fast nowadays
and here's hal easily keeping up with flash moving at lightspeed.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/greenlantern13-13.jpg
Originally posted by jrodslam
That catching feat isnt impressive? There arent many ppl who can do that. Especially while hes already in mid run. Why do i need to i need to post something with Hal reacting to something similar to the speed Zoom was displaying when he fought Wally? Zoom doesnt always move at light speed. He went that fast because hes fighting Flash. If we're using him at peak lvl's, then its only fair we use Hal at peak lvl's to. If thats the case, i definitely dont see Zoom beating Hal. Hed have more of a chance going by average showings.With this fight, im leaning towards Hal.
he caught him from behind and zoom wasnt paying attention. The catch by was impressive but does not in any way compare him to zooms reaction times. If it was a stand up face to face fight i hal going down like a ton of bricks. Who knows its comics.
Hal has a chance but im leaning toward zoom.
Originally posted by kgkg
That's Precrisis Barry and Hal I doubt Gl's can react that fast nowadays
GLs were unaffected by the crisis. and hal was EASILY keeping up with barry through city streets. after seeing many of his subsequent appearances, i'm beginning to think that zom's first appearance is not a very accurate gauge of his speed. he's never been shown since being that fast and hasn't done anything wally hasn't done.
Originally posted by leonidasLanterns not getting unaffected by the Crisis is iffy at best even if they were not current Hal is not at his Precrisis level of portrayal. It doesn't really matter if said “characters” were affected or not the whole point of the crisis was to change the power scale and ridiculous unscientific events and actions that was being written in that era. Hal was easily keeping up with Pre Crisis Superman and his equal or even superior etc After the crisis pretty much every character that is in the mainstream DCU superhero wise have been rescaled to match Superman power wise. Even those characters that we do see from the Crisis are no longer doing crazy things like they did during that time.
GLs were unaffected by the crisis. and hal was EASILY keeping up with barry through city streets. after seeing many of his subsequent appearances, i'm beginning to think that zom's first appearance is not a very accurate gauge of his speed. he's never been shown since being that fast and hasn't done anything wally hasn't done.
Not saying that Hal’s can’t keep up with Speedsters but moving at light speed and reacting at that Speed on earth seem improbably without Further showings in post crisis era. If you have scans of that would be great.
I agree that Zoom is no longer what he used to be but you can but that in the villain of the month category I guess. Usually when a character is first introduced he is seem unbeatable until we see him getting defeated time and time again. Zoom is still badass but far from being unbeatable.
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[/b]I agree that Zoom is no longer what he used to be but you can but that in the villain of the month category I guess. Usually when a character is first introduced he is seem unbeatable until we see him getting defeated time and time again. Zoom is still badass but far from being unbeatable.
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it's so nice when you're right for a change. 😄
Originally posted by leonidas
GLs were unaffected by the crisis. and hal was EASILY keeping up with barry through city streets. after seeing many of his subsequent appearances, i'm beginning to think that zom's first appearance is not a very accurate gauge of his speed. he's never been shown since being that fast and hasn't done anything wally hasn't done.
Eh....
Geoff Johns killed him off because of the other writer's inaccurate portrayal of him. Did you even read Rogues Revenge? Shows that time-control is relatively easy when you have his powers. And that Barry seemed to be hitting his limit at lightspeed yet another super-duper showing!
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Eh....Geoff Johns killed him off because of the other writer's inaccurate portrayal of him. Did you even read Rogues Revenge? Shows that time-control is relatively easy when you have his powers. And that Barry seemed to be hitting his limit at lightspeed yet another super-duper showing!
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where was the suggestion that barry hit a limit at lightspeed? there are many occasions where barry has easily gone ftl.
and if a group of writers can't decide on a consistent powerset, that doesn't exactly make it easy to determine what level he should be at. do we then simply use his first appearance as the final determination and forget about everything else? that's a slippery slope.
