Punisher vs Cyclops. Wolverine and Collosus

Sorry that facepalm was for Kris.

Originally posted by Raoul
even with the pym particles, though, wolverine should be able to sense him.

No not at all Winter Solider was able to hide his scent and that was without pymn particles.

Originally posted by Raoul

also, there's not a lot he can do if he shrinks his weapon too. he's handicapping himself.

Not all he killed The Hoods enhanced guards using his weapons while he was shrunk.

Originally posted by Raoul

the colossus thing wasn't, imo, any indication of him being weak or strong durability wise. we were never given any indication of how strong the beams were.

I know but it wasnt an uber showing of durability.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Sorry that facepalm was for Kris.

No not at all Winter Solider was able to hide his scent and that was without pymn particles.

Not all he killed The Hoods enhanced guards using his weapons while he was shrunk.

I know but it wasnt an uber showing of durability.

how does that apply? the winter soldier thing, i mean.

what weapons did he use?

Originally posted by Raoul
how does that apply? the winter soldier thing, i mean.

Well Winter Solider has similar training to Punisher and he was able to hide his scent from Wolverine, if WS can do that at full height and evade detection, its going to be even harder for Wolverine to find Punisher when hes super small. Hope that makes sense.

Originally posted by Raoul
what weapons did he use?

A gun.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well Winter Solider has similar training to Punisher and he was able to hide his scent from Wolverine, if WS can do that at full height and evade detection, its going to be even harder for Wolverine to find Punisher when hes super small. Hope that makes sense.

A gun.

you can't use the feats of one person for another, no matter how similar they are.

a normal gun? or some kind of special gun that is still effective when shrunken?

Originally posted by Raoul
you can't use the feats of one person for another, no matter how similar they are.

No offensive but you need to give me a reason as to why I cant do that otherwise all you're doing is dictating to me.

All Winter Soldier did was smear himself in ink and attack Wolverine in an ink factory.

Originally posted by Raoul

a normal gun? or some kind of special gun that is still effective when shrunken?

The gun looked kinda hi-tech but there was nothing to indicate that it was some sort of special gun. It was never stated by anybody. At any rate even if it was its still part of his arsenal and he can use it in this thread.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No offensive but you need to give me a reason as to why I cant do that otherwise all you're doing is dictating to me.

All Winter Soldier did was smear himself in ink and attack Wolverine in an ink factory.

The gun looked kinda hi-tech but there was nothing to indicate that it was some sort of special gun. It was never stated by anybody. At any rate even if it was its still part of his arsenal and he can use it in this thread.

Originally posted by Badabing
You can't use feats by proxy. End of story. facepalm We don't use Thor feats for BRB. What makes you think your argument is any closer. So save my time and your time and just stop. Thanks.

C'mon Bada give me a break I stopped pestering you didnt I?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
C'mon Bada give me a break I stopped pestering you didnt I?

Where's Carver or Goober then? mmm

😛

*phew* *quickly edits* and dont come back again!

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No offensive but you need to give me a reason as to why I cant do that otherwise all you're doing is dictating to me.

All Winter Soldier did was smear himself in ink and attack Wolverine in an ink factory.

The gun looked kinda hi-tech but there was nothing to indicate that it was some sort of special gun. It was never stated by anybody. At any rate even if it was its still part of his arsenal and he can use it in this thread.

what bada said.

it would have to be a special gun. if he was that small, a normal gun won't do the kind of damage required, especially at distance.

Originally posted by Raoul
what bada said.

Umm Bada doesnt always neccesarily disagree he does it sometimes because he likes picking in me. 😬

You still havent given me a reasn except for "no you cant". They both have similar training and use similar techniques of assassination thats a better explanation than "You cant use it."

Originally posted by Raoul

it would have to be a special gun. if he was that small, a normal gun won't do the kind of damage required, especially at distance.

At any rate it doesnt matter because he still has it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Umm Bada doesnt always neccesarily disagree he does it sometimes because he likes picking in me. 😬

You still havent given me a reasn except for "no you cant". They both have similar training and use similar techniques of assassination thats a better explanation than "You cant use it."

At any rate it doesnt matter because he still has it.

we just don't allow it on the forum, and bada was still serious about that.

GL Hal can't use GL Kyle's feats, same goes for every GL. Like bada said, Thor and BRB can't share feats. Same goes for the Flashes.

at that size, i think logan can still sense him, though.

Originally posted by Raoul
we just don't allow it on the forum, and bada was still serious about that.

GL Hal can't use GL Kyle's feats, same goes for every GL. Like bada said, Thor and BRB can't share feats. Same goes for the Flashes.

All he did was smear himself in ink....

Originally posted by Raoul

at that size, i think logan can still sense him, though.

I guess so but there are millions of examples of people sneaking up on Wolverine and sniping and jumping him etc etc. Its actually not that hard to ambush him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
All he did was smear himself in ink....

I guess so but there are millions of examples of people sneaking up on Wolverine and sniping and jumping him etc etc. Its actually not that hard to ambush him.

yes, but it's still his feat.

that's why logan has cyclops and colossus with him. if logan was alone, i'd be more inclined to give frank a chance, but the x-team compliment each other very well.

Originally posted by Raoul
yes, but it's still his feat.

Meh, ok

Originally posted by Raoul

that's why logan has cyclops and colossus with him. if logan was alone, i'd be more inclined to give frank a chance, but the x-team compliment each other very well.

If Wolverine cant detect him I dont see how the others will. At any rate Punisher can snipe Cyke from miles away and then they just have two brains.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

No not at all Winter Solider was able to hide his scent and that was without pymn particles.

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yea true he had no particles he was just covered in ink while hiding in an ink plant with extremely loud machinary which nutralized wolverines hearing and smell........context please

Yeah and you dont get it. The point is its not that hard for somebody like Punisher to pull-off or to think of.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Meh, ok

If Wolverine cant detect him I dont see how the others will. At any rate Punisher can snipe Cyke from miles away and then they just have two brains.

you're assuming cyclops would leave himself open to such things.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah and you dont get it. The point is its not that hard for somebody like Punisher to pull-off or to think of.

yes, but the fact is, a specific set of circumstances had to occur to even get logan near the ink factory.

Originally posted by Raoul
you're assuming cyclops would leave himself open to such things.

yes, but the fact is, a specific set of circumstances had to occur to even get logan near the ink factory.

Not to mention winter soldier had help and winter soldier got beat down.

Originally posted by Raoul
you're assuming cyclops would leave himself open to such things.

Well you know what you say prove to me how he wouldnt get sniped. Hell he can shoot Cyke from miles away.

Originally posted by Raoul

yes, but the fact is, a specific set of circumstances had to occur to even get logan near the ink factory.

Ermm he shot Wolverine in the back with a tranquiliser gun and he stumbled into the factory...thats something that Pun could do. Most likely if anything if Punisher doesnt want to be found he wont be and it will be them following him.