Punisher vs Cyclops. Wolverine and Collosus

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
How can he prove a negative?

Well why do I have to prove anything?

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
I haven't seen the thread in long time, but from what I remember, you were kicking and screaming at anyone who doubted the Punisher's chances, and you didn't admit to the team winning a majority until near the end of the thread. I also remember Raoul gave the Punisher better odds than I did, but was still skeptical about a Punisher victory.

Ermm ive given the X men team 7/10 in other Punisher vs thread. Thats pretty much typical of your self-serving logic. Roaul agreed with me thats all that matters.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

It's called logic. Try it some time.

The thread got closed because he was talking nonsense = I need to try some logic 👆

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well why do I have to prove anything?

Because the claims you made aren't all negatives, they can be proven.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Stop twisting shit around Roaul. You have to prove he can as well. Just like me. :/

i'm not twisting anything. it's how the forum works. we prove positives, not negatives.

you have to prove a character can accomplish what you're claiming. i never said cyclops couldn't get sniped, i said leaving himself open would be stupid, which it would be.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Like who? Do you have proof that they are better trackers?

DD + his team. I think I may have to agree with you about Doom for now.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Also, I made this statement because you mentioned that Wolverine has been ambushed before. I'm only asking if Punisher's been tracked down before.

Of course he has hes not perfect. Not sure how that proves anything.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Doom isn't known for his tracking skills, and he's certainly not a better tracker than Wolverine.

I'll have to get back to you on that.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
So, what you're saying is that a bunch of people with advanced tracking skills (but far less than Wolverine's) can become potentially better at tracking than Wolverine as a team?

Er no DD isnt far less skilled than Wolverine is better in some aspects than Wolverine is and like Wolverine he has been able to detect shape shifiters, therefore if anything Wolverine is not a greater tracker than DD by a massive margin.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Do you even know how tracking works? Tracking isn't a numbers game.

Please dont try to dictate logic to me. If anything Wolverine is not a better tracker than DD by a massive number, but somehow you're now trying to tell me that the other four arent going to make DD an even better tracker. Since when did more people looking for somebody become less effective....y'know thats why they were requested in the first place. So yes in these circumstances it is.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Proof? And please post scan to establish context.

Wheres your proof that DD said Wolverine was a much better tracker?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Cuz the minute you fire your weapon, you give out your location. Means that he can prolly take one of them but the rest is gonna be on him like flies of poop.

They're going to be on him like flies like poop when Punisher can snipe Cyclops from four miles away........and you want me to provide scans for context?

Originally posted by Raoul

you have to prove a character can accomplish what you're claiming.

Exactly and you're claiming that Wolverine can find Punisher, so therefore you have to prove. Yeah you are twisting stuff around.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Because the claims you made aren't all negatives, they can be proven.

Having to prove that Punisher can hide from Wolverine is the same as having to prove that Wolverine can find him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Having to prove that Punisher can hide from Wolverine is the same as having to prove that Wolverine can find him.

Wolverine has superhuman senses.

Nor was that the issue at hand.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The thread got closed because he was talking nonsense = I need to try some logic 👆

The thread got closed because you threw a hissyfit when you couldn't make your case, then you had Bada close it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ermm ive given the X men team 7/10 in other Punisher vs thread. Thats pretty much typical of your self-serving logic. Roaul agreed with me thats all that matters.

You argued against Frank losing for 6 pages until you finally gave in to the fact that the team would win a solid majority from Castle. I call 'em as I see 'em, Bubba... not how my inner fanboy wants them to play out.

Raoul didn't agree with you. You simply caved and finally agreed with the rest of us that Castle would get his ass handed to him more often than not. This new thread is just a repeat of the last.

Originally posted by Raoul
punisher? seriously?

god, your wankery knows no bounds sometimes. seriously.

Originally posted by Raoul
oh get over yourself. stop whining, and GROW SOME DAMN BALLS.

Originally posted by Badabing
Anyway, back to the topic. Frank loses.

Originally posted by Raoul
ugh, i don't care anymore.

cyclops and co 7/8 out of ten, for the reasons bada put forward, and cyke's ability to prep on the fly.

Originally posted by Raoul
oh no, a mod based put down. whatever will i do.

please, keep whining. you're so very good at it.

Originally posted by Raoul
No i don't. god dammit man, seriously. stop arguing semantics.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Wolverine has superhuman senses.

facepalm

Originally posted by Kris Blaze

Nor was that the issue at hand.

Actually I think you're right. Its about wether Cyke can hide from being sniped from Pun. If I have to prove that Pun can snipe Cyke he has to prove that Cyke can stop himself from being sniped.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
The thread got closed because you threw a hissyfit when you couldn't make your case, then you had Bada close it.

I spoke to him personally and asked specifically to close it but keep it open if you provided decent evidence. You dont listen do you?

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Riiiiiiiight.....

You argued against Frank losing for 6 pages until you finally gave in to the fact that the team would win a solid majority from Castle. I call 'em as I see 'em, Bubba... not how my inner fanboy wants them to play out.

Raoul didn't agree with you. You simply caved and finally agreed with the rest of us that Castle would get his ass handed to him more often than not. This new thread is just a repeat of the last

Yep. You guys saw eye-to-eye in that thread.

Self serving nonsense.

1. Already given Punisher 7/10 in other X-men vs threads edit: I mean given Xmen 7/10 in other vs threads
2. Stop twisting shit around and find the quote were I said the team wins 7/10. Stop wasting my and your time. Obvoulsy you decided to leave that out.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Exactly and you're claiming that Wolverine can find Punisher, so therefore you have to prove. Yeah you are twisting stuff around.

Having to prove that Punisher can hide from Wolverine is the same as having to prove that Wolverine can find him.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Wolverine has superhuman senses.

Nor was that the issue at hand.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
facepalm

Actually I think you're right. Its about wether Cyke can hide from being sniped from Pun. If I have to prove that Pun can snipe Cyke he has to prove that Cyke can stop himself from being sniped.

it's called keeping your head down.

not always going to work, granted, but it does sometimes.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I spoke to him personally and asked specifically to close it but keep it open if you provided decent evidence. You dont listen do you?

I provided information for real bullet velocities when you brought up that nonsense about mercy bullets, which you claimed you couldn't see, yet the thread still got closed.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Already given Punisher 7/10 in other X-men vs threads
2. Stop twisting shit around and find the quote were I said the team wins 7/10. Stop wasting my and your time. Obvoulsy you decided to leave that out.

2. Here's the damned link for anyone who wants to see:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=503959&pagenumber=6

You caved, dude. Save yourself the time and effort and just admit that the Punisher gets spanked in this thread too. That's all I ask.

Originally posted by Raoul
it's called keeping your head down.

not always going to work, granted, but it does sometimes.

Well there you go, and considering that DD and his team were unable to do that theres a decent chance Cyke wont be able to do either.

You have to bear in mind that not only did the team fail, they failed MISERABLY. When you're trying to track somebody down and that person is watching you while you are having meetings and actually suceeeds in getting detailed info on you that is failing....badly. They only caught him afterwards becuase Punisher helped them fight Nightmare.

Really dont see what the fuss was about. Also when I say prove its not like I mean I want something concrete im just asking for some plan of some idea of what he would do.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
You asked him to close it but to keep it open.... You don't think before you type, do you?

I provided information for real bullet velocities when you brought up that nonsense about mercy bullets, which you claimed you couldn't see, yet the thread still got closed.

1. You caved from your usual position (as always) and agreed with Bada, who was in agreement with the rest of us that Castle would get punked for the majority. The numbers aren't important. You went in ranting about Punisher winning with no mention of this 7/10 X-Men majority you claim to have had all along until Page 6.

2. Here's the damned link for anyone who wants to see:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=503959&pagenumber=6

You caved, dude. Save yourself the time and effort and just admit that the Punisher gets spanked in this thread too. That's all I ask.

Complete waste of time didnt listen to one word I said. facepalm

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Of course he has hes not perfect. Not sure how that proves anything.

Wolverine isn't perfect either?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er no DD isnt far less skilled than Wolverine is better in some aspects than Wolverine is and like Wolverine he has been able to detect shape shifiters, therefore if anything Wolverine is not a greater tracker than DD by a massive margin.

So he's detected shapeshifters who are at the level of Mystique before? Scans pls? Also, we ALL know how good Wolverine is at tracking, you need to prove that DD is even remotely that good.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Please dont try to dictate logic to me. If anything Wolverine is not a better tracker than DD by a massive number, but somehow you're now trying to tell me that the other four arent going to make DD an even better tracker. Since when did more people looking for somebody become less effective....y'know thats why they were requested in the first place. So yes in these circumstances it is.

Again, what does having other people do in helping you track someone? The extra areas of expertise can only contribute so much. Do it this way, hire 5 expert trackers to track down someone hidden in the woods. I'll go get one trained bloodhound. Let's see who finds the guy first.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wheres your proof that DD said Wolverine was a much better tracker?

Respect thread. Besides, you claimed that DD was close to as good as Wolverine, you're the one making tons of claims on Punisher's skeeelz. Don't be lazy and post some scans.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
They're going to be on him like flies like poop when Punisher can snipe Cyclops from four miles away........and you want me to provide scans for context?

Sooo, Cyclops is gonna allow himself to get sniped from 4 miles away within an urban setting? Cool!

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Actually I think you're right. Its about wether Cyke can hide from being sniped from Pun. If I have to prove that Pun can snipe Cyke he has to prove that Cyke can stop himself from being sniped.

No, because it's a ****ing negative!

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
No, because it's a ****ing negative!

No its fine, stop swearing. Done talking to you.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Sooo, Cyclops is gonna allow himself to get sniped from 4 miles away within an urban setting? Cool!

Correction, reread original stips. This isn't in an urban setting. Still silly to think that Cyke will his ass sniped from any distance away, tho. 😛

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Team have to hunt down and kill Pun. Pun has 3 weeks prep and full help from Henry during and after prep.

After 3 weeks prep team have to hunt down and kill Pun. No Cerebero. Let the hate begin.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Wolverine isn't perfect either?

You point?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

So he's detected shapeshifters who are at the level of Mystique before? Scans pls?

He detected Blackheart in the form of a human.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Also, we ALL know how good Wolverine is at tracking, you need to prove that DD is even remotely that good.

I actually provided a scan of of DD tracking down Punisher and Nick Fury enlisted him to find Punisher. Hasn't Punisher detected shape-shifting Skrulls before?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Again, what does having other people do in helping you track someone? The extra areas of expertise can only contribute so much. Do it this way, hire 5 expert trackers to track down someone hidden in the woods. I'll go get one trained bloodhound. Let's see who finds the guy first.

Im sorry but thats not even that good logic for starters Nick Fury isnt a bloodhound but he was able to detect Skrulls before. You dont neccesarily have to have heightned senses to be a good tracker but to be intelligent. Those other members can cover more area and they have ideas of were to find him.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Respect thread. Besides, you claimed that DD was close to as good as Wolverine, you're the one making tons of claims on Punisher's skeeelz. Don't be lazy and post some scans.

I see ive posted a scan you havent posted any and you're telling me im lazy? Lets see this scan please and i'll try and get the other one.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Sooo, Cyclops is gonna allow himself to get sniped from 4 miles away within an urban setting? Cool!

Why on earth would ne be able to do that when DD and team were stalking him and he was observing them with ease?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Respect thread. Besides, you claimed that DD was close to as good as Wolverine, you're the one making tons of claims on Punisher's skeeelz. Don't be lazy and post some scans.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9838/73733970ep3.jpg

Please tell me you're not refering to this scan.....

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You point?

You mentioned that Wolverine has been ambushed before and that somehow gives Punisher an advantage. Low feats doesn't mean that it's the standard.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He detected Blackheart in the form of a human.

Detecting something isn't a tracking feat. It's a detection feat.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I actually provided a scan of of DD tracking down Punisher and Nick Fury enlisted him to find Punisher. Hasn't Punisher detected shape-shifting Skrulls before?

So did a ton of other ppl, not a high feat tbh. Again, detection feat is not the same as TRACKING down a highly-trained shapeshifter who was known to be highly evasive.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im sorry but thats not even that good logic for starters Nick Fury isnt a bloodhound but he was able to detect Skrulls before. You dont neccesarily have to have heightned senses to be a good tracker but to be intelligent. Those other members can cover more area and they have ideas of were to find him.

You're not getting my point. More people doesn't necessarily increase the odds of detection by a cumulative amount. I'm merely pointing out that your previous assumption of more is better has very little grounds.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I see ive posted a scan you havent posted any and you're telling me im lazy? Lets see this scan please and i'll try and get the other one.

Wow. One scan of a DD doing a narrative. Nice. I had a scan in mind but I can't seem to find it. I'll get back to you as soon as I find the durned thing.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Why on earth would ne be able to do that when DD and team were stalking him and he was observing them with ease?

Again, see above.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Please tell me you're not refering to this scan.....

No, I wasn't.

Im bored so im re-bumping this.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You mentioned that Wolverine has been ambushed before and that somehow gives Punisher an advantage. Low feats doesn't mean that it's the standard.

Its not a low feat it happens quite often.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Detecting something isn't a tracking feat. It's a detection feat.

So you think Wolverine would have been able to track down Mystique if he didn't have enhaced senses? Enhanced senses are an important part of why they are so good at tracking.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

So did a ton of other ppl, not a high feat tbh. Again, detection feat is not the same as TRACKING down a highly-trained shapeshifter who was known to be highly evasive.

Please explain what the circumstances of them tracking them down where? For the most part Pun evades Jigsaw and Kingpin but I know they have tracked him down by sheer luck and when hes not thinking straight. I know sometimes he allows people to track him down because hes laid a trap for them. For the most part hes not that fussed about being caught by Heroes but when DD tried to take him down for good Pun made it even harder for him. Now hes got three people after him who are going to kill him hes going to step it up.

Nick Fury tracked down Maria Hill and snuck into her hellicarrier. Thats one hell of a feat because SHIELD were actually looking for him and would have made steps to make sure that he couldnt find Hill or sneak into their base.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

You're not getting my point. More people doesn't necessarily increase the odds of detection by a cumulative amount. I'm merely pointing out that your previous assumption of more is better has very little grounds.

No I understand it perfectly. That does not apply to this case. Again DD brought those heroes in to make finding Punisher easier. DD isn't a moron hes not going to gather files of Punisher and sit down and have an in-depth conversation with other heroes about tracking down Punisher if its not going to have a cumulative effect. DD was pissed and wanted Pun taken down. Oh yeah Black Widow has also tracked down Wolverine while he was on run from SHIELD.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Wow. One scan of a DD doing a narrative. Nice. I had a scan in mind but I can't seem to find it. I'll get back to you as soon as I find the durned thing.

I don't think your going to find them either you are probably thinking about Infinite War, not Secret War. Anyway I found these scans ages ago.