501st vs. Hogwarts

Ewoks ftw.

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
transfigure the walker into a pumpkin. POOF.

transfigure... everything into.. anything else. POOF.

geez, its not fair. Magic makes thing's not fair. It's... not fair.

the only thing going for clones in this here thread is reflexes, agility, training and Anakin, and magic has almost no limitations.

*grumble*

maybe we should just get ewoks to attact hogwarts. the children would die from the cuteness and ewoks pwn the teachers by hitting them with sticks.

But it will go unnoticed.

The Clone supporters will praise the Clones because they are "Bred for war."

The wizards are just a buncha sissies running around in robes casting spells.

But on a side note, the Clones are pwned by a bald man with no nose and two girls.

and I quote: EWOKS FTW.

The mere fact that the clones are going against hogwarts is a bad move, and I'm sure they'd know it. but that is most definitely ignored for the purposes of this thread, eh?

in harry potter wiki, its said that magic has almost no limitations except for five irrelevant things, but if you're really interested look it up.

let's face it, clones are far too normal for these weirdos.

Ewoks FTW.

Rogue Jedi
crylaugh Ah, he reaches, he fails.......

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Fiendfyre

[...]

Pay close attention to the first one.

Harry Potter Wikia: Fiendfyre
It also appears that Voldemort blows on his hand to create what is thought to be Fiendfyre in the Order of the Phoenix [film].

[...]

In Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (film), Lord Voldemort, while in a duel with Albus Dumbledore, summons what appears to be Fiendfyre from the known description. However, it is currently [color=red]unknown if this spell is meant to be a representation of the Fiendfyre spell, or of a different spell entirely.[/color]

Good? Good.

Originally posted by Eminence
Basically, your [b]user generated content can't even confirm that the spell Voldemort uses is Fiendfyre, and makes it abundantly clear that it may not be.

Good? Good. [/B]

Also, that same link has a picture of the fire serpent Voldemort cast in the OOTP movie, with the phrase "Fiendfyre" below it. The link also states that Voldemort can "Control it and manipulate it to great effect."

And finally:

Interesting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogwarts#Transfiguration

Vanishing spells, you say?

Conjuring spell, wuuuuuuuuuuuut?

Gee whiz, seems there is more to Hermione and McGonagall than meets the eye.

Cool shit, eh?

Rogue Jedi
I was waiting for this, and the fact that you question it strengthens my argument even more.

Sure it does.

Rogue Jedi
IF that was not fiendfyre, then fiendfyre is faster and stronger.

Rogue Jedi
It gives it's victims "Only a moments notice." Which means the Clones will only have a "moment" before they are engulfed in it.......So, whether it was fiendfyre or not, doesn't matter. Either way the Clones are toasted.

If we're doing that, Anakin could tear the castle down himself.

Rogue Jedi
Also, that same link has a picture of the fire serpent Voldemort cast in the OOTP movie, with the phrase "Fiendfyre" below it.

Why would you try to lie about information you linked us to?

Rogue Jedi
The link also states that Voldemort can "Control it and manipulate it to great effect."

Also:

Harry Potter Wikia: Fiendfyre
Voldemort isn't actually using Fiendfyre in the film. Rogue Jedi is grasping for straws.

I win?

Originally posted by Eminence
ROFL

Sure it does.

Uh, prove it. And stick to the movies.

Fiendfyre isn't in the movies. You're using a random fan's description of the spell as it appears in the books and applying that to this thread. This is like me referencing a Force-storm, or EU telekinesis.

If we're doing that, Anakin could tear the castle down himself.

No it has the "phrase" "Voldemort [b]possibly using Fiendfyre." [/b]

Why would you try to lie about information you linked us to?

Seriously. It's there. [link]

I win?

Now....

Transfiguration.

Sup.

Rogue Jedi
Actually it does. The spell he cast in the movie, fiendfyre or not, would be enough to take care of the Clones. If it is not fiendfyre, then what is it? Moot question, really.

Rogue Jedi
Again it doesnt matter what that spell is called, it still pwns the clones.

Rogue Jedi
Right, because he displayed that kind of power in the movies 🙄

Whatever, I win the point.

Rogue Jedi
Top right corner of the page. Check it out.

Doesn't change anything.

Rogue Jedi
You're silly. What other spell might it be then? You tell me, what other spell is made of fire and spreads like that?

Wait for it...

Fire.

Rogue Jedi
Transfiguration.

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Fiendfyre

Fiendfyre (also known as Cursed Fire) is a type of fire made from Dark Magic.

Voldemort is indeed a master of dark magic.

Fiendfyre initially appears a "roaring, billowing noise" and gives its victims only a moments warning.

The fire cast by Voldemort in OOTP did just this, it made the roaring, billowing noise and appeared in "a moments notice."

Its flames are of abnormal size and take the shape of monsters and beasts, such as serpents, Chimaeras, and dragons, continuously mutating.

The flames took the shape of a serpent.

It appears to have enough consciousness to actually follow its intended victims.

The flames did this, it recognized Dumbledore as it's intended victim.

That is four characteristics of fiendfyre, matched onscreen.

Logic dictates that it was fiendfyre.

Originally posted by Eminence

I'm debating a single facet of your "argument" here, RJ, not this mockery of a thread in its entirety. Transfiguration is irrelevant.

From beyond the (mass) grave?

Won't be a mass grave, just smoking clone carcasses.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Won't be a mass grave, just clones smoking little wizard carcasses.

Oui. ✅

You do know what Transfiguration is, dont you?

I guess that it involved a change in figure?

Beyond that I honestly dont care anymore because its irrelevant how they would win when the opposition is ridiculously and hideously gimped... its an inane and tedious question.

I'll answer for you.

Transfiguration changes any object into whatever the wizard desires, The walkers will be reduced to mice, Anakin into a tomato. The clones will eat the tomato. The wizards will laugh.

It also involes vanishing spells and conjuring spells.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I guess that it involved a change in figure?

Beyond that I honestly dont care anymore because its irrelevant how they would win when the opposition is ridiculously and hideously gimped... its an inane and tedious question.

This whole thread has been breaking rule number 7.
The re-revisions/gimpage killed it long ago, mate.

Arguing round the round for like the 6th time isnt gonna happen.

There were clarifications made, not changes, except that the clones were allowed their ground vehicles. And for the record, he never disallowed Dementors.

Here:

Originally posted by Luminatus
Sorry this took so long. Been busy moving.W ell getting ready to move.

So the Clones are starting at the edg eof the Forbidden Forext and have only to cross the grounds to the castle.
They are not trying to take the castle. Anakin's and the clones' objective is just to kill every wizard inside.

Is where Lum clarified for us, and it was done before the new rule was passed. Therefore it stands.

It is a large magical power, yes, but Voldemort can control it as he sees fit. If he wishes it to bypass a wizard and attack a group of clones, it does so. Pretty simple, the stronger the wizard, the greater he can control and manipulate the fiendfyre. It's Voldemort, man, not Crabbe or Goyle.

No, what I was trying for was to explain to you that it can destroy Horcruxes because it's highly magical, not becuase it's incredibly hot (enough, you were arguing, to melt the clones).

He casts it at :59, the spell is set at 1:00, that's it. All he has to then is control it. It doesn't take full form until :04, I'll give you that, but the spell is cast in a second. Voldemort casts the spell, it is set a second later, and he directs it towards the Clones, growing bigger and bigger. It is upon them in seconds.

Here's the second part of my paragraph, interesting that I literally anticipated what you'd say- 'Now, you can say that he doesn't need for the spell to fully form into the snake/ animal, but you have to remember that he was using it in a battle against his arch-nemesis, if he could have attacked faster, giving Dumbledore less time to counter, he would have. And it would take more seconds to get to the clones, giving them more time to counter-attack.'

And you think the Clones will have time to register the fiendfyre bearing down on them, visually look for the source, fail to see it, use the sensors, find Voldemort, AND fire on him before the fiendfyre is upon them? We are talking about a matter of seconds, man, 5 seconds, tops.

Yeah probably, though they don't really need to as a collective scatter-shot (the clones will be reasonably spread out, so they will cover a extremely large area just from firing at the opening spot). Also, these guys http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Scout_trooper will most certainly be able to see Voldemort at all times, and easily take him down. - Scout trooper helmets incorporated enhanced macrobinocular viewplates capable of locating energy emissions, target magnification, night vision, and motion tracking.

Plus Voldemort won't be able to run very fast in the invisibility cloak, especially while focusing on his spell.

And? So the wizards lose a few wizards, big deal. And if it is Dumbledore casting the spell, or even Snape, all they have to do is Occlumens a Clone gunner and have him fire on the others.

So he controls agunner (which by the way requires line of sight, which he doesn't have) mainpulates him to fire at his allies without getting shot himself? Doubtful.

Watch OOTP, Luna Lovegood casts wingardium on a death eater. He is thrust into the air and out of sight in less than a second.

Fair enough, but shes one of the few (3) who ever actually use it.

Fiendfyre will be ever growing, totally under Voldemorts control. If he wants it to remain the size as it was in OOTP, so be it. If he wants to make it grow ten times bigger, his choice. Slow or fast, whatever.

As eminence has said, we can't be sure its actually fiendfyre. Plus I thought it had conscious thought. It didn't look like Voldemort was controlling it in the movie. At all. So it's doubtful he can here.

They were beaten by the OOTP, not the children.

Question: Did they get the prophecy? Answer: No. Explanation: Becuase they were too stupid to Accio the damn thing at the start.

I am allergic to bees, they sting me and my arm swells up like the Hulk

I guess you just answered my question.

I am talking about the Death Eaters, they are like the cream of the crop in the wizarding world. Crouch meant it is difficult to cast if the caster is inexperienced. The class was young and inexperienced, so durh, on him, it would have little if any effect. Bellatrix cast it like it was a bodily function. You make it sound as if Voldemort is the only one who can cast it. Utter the phrase, cant the spell, bingo, dead. IF the caster is experienced.

Lol, Crabbe, Goyle and Malfoy were death eaters, hardly cream of the crop. Also re-watch OOTP, and see how badly they get their asses kicked. They suck, except for Bellatrix and Voldemort. And again, if they haven't done it in the movie, the can't do it here.

Coming from a guy who just used wiki links?

Not to support feats. And you'll notice it's all referenced from sources at the bottom. It's better than using unsupported statements about ambiguous feats to support my entire argument.

Then why didnt is blow Sidious's brains through his nose?

Err, maybe because he's allegedly the most powerful Sith Lord ever. Anakin's hissy fit ain't doing shit to him. Fact is, he's on screen used an omni-directional sonic based attack, which the wizards have no defence against to epically pwn metal. Yeah, the wizards go against him, and he owns them.

She landed, cast the spell, Sirius was killed. All in less than a second. Apparating or half apparating, she can do it just as fast. You are now trying to alter onscreen feats. Congrats.

But theres a difference between flying around, being able to see things and pre-meditate an attack to 'popping out of the ground' and immediately attacking. The latter is impossible.

Also

Right, because he displayed that kind of power in the movies

Coming from you, this is hilarious. Tell me, when has Voldemort shown that he's able to teleport around like nightcrawler in battle? Or fiendfyre attacking without forming?