501st vs. Hogwarts

Started by Sadako of Girth60 pages

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Technically, yes. Also they would never even be able to find Hogwarts, but that is being overlooked here, to enable the battle to take place.

We need a drastically new scenario, with limitations.

Change of location, maybe?

You assumed that. What if a homing beacon was secured on a hogwartsian, once the dampening field problem is solved (remember that you are dealing with tech knowledge from another time and galaxy here.)

Also.

Look at the SIZE of Coruscant and some of these bigger planets that are seen in the trilogy. They may very well be used to high gravity, allowing them boosted strength, spped and stamina on Earth, with its safely assumedly less dense gravity. So the scientific properties of how "no tech worked" (Or any other "Magic"😉 had better be explained sharpishly, as the homing beacon deal looks sweet right now, overcoming the cant find Hogwarts problem rather easily.

Not need to re-set up when youve already shown that clones win 98% of the time.

I liked how he just ignored my post. ermm

Edit: also, the wizards can't just apparate the students away, becuase that counts as a battlefield removal, which would make the clones win.

Winnety Winnety Winnerty Winnerty Win Wins.

🙂

Originally posted by Nephthys
I liked how he just ignored my post. ermm

"He who gimps and runs away, is free to gimp another day." -Dung Tzu: The Art of Gimping

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You assumed that. What if a homing beacon was secured on a hogwartsian, once the dampening field problem is solved (remember that you are dealing with tech knowledge from another time and galaxy here.)

Also.

Look at the SIZE of Coruscant and some of these bigger planets that are seen in the trilogy. They may very well be used to high gravity, allowing them boosted strength, spped and stamina on Earth, with its safely assumedly less dense gravity. So the scientific properties of how "no tech worked" (Or any other "Magic"😉 had better be explained sharpishly, as the homing beacon deal looks sweet right now, overcoming the cant find Hogwarts problem rather easily.

Not need to re-set up when youve already shown that clones win 98% of the time.


You know technically a planets size has no baring on it's gravitational pull. Its all about how dense it is, not necessarily how big it is. The smaller or denser a planet is the more gravity it actually has.

you people still haven't let this go? *sigh*

I thought the goal was to protect the majority of the people/kill the people in hogwarts, so evacuation would render the mission void and make the wizards win.

maybe if we slip in more troops, more jedi, and put them in a location that would confuse the wizards we'd win.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I liked how he just ignored my post. ermm

Edit: also, the wizards can't just apparate the students away, becuase that counts as a battlefield removal, which would make the clones win.

I didnt ignore it, I countered your initial questions perfectly, but you chose to ignore it. If I counter again, you will ignore it again, and the cycle will go on and on.

Evacing the students and allowing a few wizards to handle the clones is the safets way for the wizards to win. So yeah, the wizards would totally apparate the first years and less experienced away.

....to win under incredibly gimped circumstances, you mean.

Originally posted by omgchos
You know technically a planets size has no baring on it's gravitational pull. Its all about how dense it is, not necessarily how big it is. The smaller or denser a planet is the more gravity it actually has.

Yes. And..how do you know that they arent more dense as well as big...?

Also. Warps in spacetime create gravity.

You know technically, the mass just causes that until a blackhole is formed, the black hole has no matter at all once it goes to singularity.

Smartarse. 😛

Think about this for a minute. Really, take a minute and think about it:

Here is how the wizards win:

CLONES and VEHICLES: Voldemort os invisible under the cloak, hundreds of feet away. The Clones are awating Anakin's order to attack. Voldemort casts Fiendfyre, and it is bearing down on the Clones. While the wall of fire is bearing down on the Clones, Voldemort runs to a different vantage point, in case Anakin senses him and directs the Clones to fire where he WAS. The Clones pour down fire where he WAS, but he is no longer there. He is a good distance away and is totally out of danger as the fiendfyre engulfs the Clones and their vehicles.

ANAKIN: Whether Anakin is seeking cover, using force speed to run where Voldemort WAS is irrevelant. He will be surrounded by the Death Eaters and several teachers, and despite having insane Jedi skills, he is overwhelmed and death spelled.

The younger students won't even have to be evacuated, they can be moved down to the dungeons.

Noone wants to, RJ.

Its gone from the simple question of "Can the 501st beat hogwarts" into some constantly evolving goalpost shifter, hasn't it.

All the gimping/re-revising and most above all a rejection of logic/science by the hogwarts side has made it as dull as dishwater to partake in, not to mention pointless. We have already thought about it back then, and thats why the Clones kept winning out.

Theres no need to now.

Besides: Moving them to the dungeons would be like moving them 'safely' to the basement of WTC prior to its collapse. They'd be buried in rubble.

The clones are resistant to temperature in their atmopheric suits.
SO your spell talk is rubbish, Im afraid.

Anakin could force crush Voldermort, so stop being so silly dragging this out. The clone forces are many times proven to be superior.
end of.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

CLONES and VEHICLES: Voldemort os invisible under the cloak, hundreds of feet away. The Clones are awating Anakin's order to attack. Voldemort casts Fiendfyre, and it is bearing down on the Clones. While the wall of fire is bearing down on the Clones, Voldemort runs to a different vantage point, in case Anakin senses him and directs the Clones to fire where he WAS. The Clones pour down fire where he WAS, but he is no longer there. He is a good distance away and is totally out of danger as the fiendfyre engulfs the Clones and their vehicles.

Counter? Yeah thought not.

ANAKIN: Whether Anakin is seeking cover, using force speed to run where Voldemort WAS is irrevelant. He will be surrounded by the Death Eaters and several teachers, and despite having insane Jedi skills, he is overwhelmed and death spelled.
Counter? Yeah, thought not.

The younger students won't even have to be evacuated, they can be moved down to the dungeons.

Besides: Moving them to the dungeons would be like moving them 'safely' to the basement of WTC prior to its collapse. They'd be buried in rubble.
It'd take some time for the Clones to blast the castle to the extent you are implying, time the Clones dont have. Besides, theres always apparating or portkeys.

The clones are resistant to temperature in their atmopheric suits.
crylaugh Ah, he reaches, he fails.......

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Fiendfyre

The blaze is so potent that Fiendfyre is one of the very few substances that are capable of destroying a Horcrux.

Fiendfyre initially appears a "roaring, billowing noise" and gives its victims only a moments warning.

It appears to have enough consciousness to actually follow its intended victims. The fire will pursue nearby lifeforms as if it were alive itself, sentient. The fire will also pursue anything it can burn for more fuel.

Inexperienced casters will be able to conjure it, but will have virtually no control over the flames once they are unleashed, though an experienced Dark Wizard (like Lord Voldemort) would be able to control it and manipulate it to great effect.

Pay close attention to the first one.

I have countered them.
You being a blind HP fanboy is why you "thought not".

Twit.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I have countered them.
You being a blind HP fanboy is why you "thought not".

Twit.

Nah, you havent. Try again.

Why should I. I already did.

By the time your spellworks, too much damage to the spell caster would have occurred by way off force assalut or blaster shots.

Anakin would sense the intent to use it and kill the caster premptively.

34 pages of gimpery, logic avoidance and wishful thinking on your side later, and you still are trying desperately to drag this out.

Let goooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Luke.

I didnt ignore it, I countered your initial questions perfectly, but you chose to ignore it. If I counter again, you will ignore it again, and the cycle will go on and on.

Evacing the students and allowing a few wizards to handle the clones is the safets way for the wizards to win. So yeah, the wizards would totally apparate the first years and less experienced away.

Actually, you did ignore it. Go back to page 33, find the big wadge of me kicking your ass and try again.

And you could evac the students, but as soon as the rest dies the clones wins becuase of BFR.

CLONES and VEHICLES: Voldemort os invisible under the cloak, hundreds of feet away. The Clones are awating Anakin's order to attack. Voldemort casts Fiendfyre, and it is bearing down on the Clones. While the wall of fire is bearing down on the Clones, Voldemort runs to a different vantage point, in case Anakin senses him and directs the Clones to fire where he WAS. The Clones pour down fire where he WAS, but he is no longer there. He is a good distance away and is totally out of danger as the fiendfyre engulfs the Clones and their vehicles.

ANAKIN: Whether Anakin is seeking cover, using force speed to run where Voldemort WAS is irrevelant. He will be surrounded by the Death Eaters and several teachers, and despite having insane Jedi skills, he is overwhelmed and death spelled.

😆 😆 😆 , way to totally ignore page 33. Go back and read.

Jesus, its like he's ****ing five!! 😆 😆 hysterical

The blaze is so potent that Fiendfyre is one of the very few substances that are capable of destroying a Horcrux.

Becuase of it's large magical power.

It appears to have enough consciousness to actually follow its intended victims. The fire will pursue nearby lifeforms as if it were alive itself, sentient. The fire will also pursue anything it can burn for more fuel.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Becuase of it's large magical power.

It appears to have enough consciousness to actually follow its intended victims. The fire will pursue nearby lifeforms as if it were alive itself, sentient. The fire will also pursue anything it[b] can burn for more fuel. [/B]

It is a large magical power, yes, but Voldemort can control it as he sees fit. If he wishes it to bypass a wizard and attack a group of clones, it does so. Pretty simple, the stronger the wizard, the greater he can control and manipulate the fiendfyre. It's Voldemort, man, not Crabbe or Goyle.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Did [b]you miss the vid you posted, or did your fanboyism get in the way of your ability to see the truth.

Watch it again- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UunqBAHBDo8

He starts casting it at 59, the spell doesn't fully form until 1.04, a full five seconds after he starts. It doesn't even start to move until 1.10, eleven seconds after he started. Now, you can say that he doesn't need for the spell to fully form into the snake/ animal, but you have to remember that he was using it in a battle against his arch-nemesis, if he could have attacked faster, giving Dumbledore less time to counter, he would have. And it would take more seconds to get to the clones, giving them more time to counter-attack.[/b]

He casts it at :59, the spell is set at 1:00, that's it. All he has to then is control it. It doesn't take full form until :04, I'll give you that, but the spell is cast in a second. Voldemort casts the spell, it is set a second later, and he directs it towards the Clones, growing bigger and bigger. It is upon them in seconds.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Portable_scanner- While small and short-ranged, these scanners fulfilled simple needs by incorporating equipment such as motion sensors, metal scanners, comm scanners, and [b]life-form scanners.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Heat_particle_detector -This device could be used to track the heat emitted from various objects and biological sources on a molecular level.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_sense-this enables them to feel their environment, detect danger and the location of hidden beings or enemies even through barriers, as well as see in complete darkness.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_choke

Etc...[/b]

And you think the Clones will have time to register the fiendfyre bearing down on them, visually look for the source, fail to see it, use the sensors, find Voldemort, AND fire on him before the fiendfyre is upon them? We are talking about a matter of seconds, man, 5 seconds, tops.

Re-watch the philosophers stone, watch how long in takes those those [b]feathers to rise, then try say they be able to do it on a tank before one battle-ready trooper raises his blaster and fires.[/b]
And? So the wizards lose a few wizards, big deal. And if it is Dumbledore casting the spell, or even Snape, all they have to do is Occlumens a Clone gunner and have him fire on the others. Voldemort at point A, casting fiendfyre, moving to a new vantage point. Dumbledore, at point B, using Occlumency to mind **** the gunner on a Clone walker. Snape, at point C, using wingardium leviosa to topple the walkers. Death eaters attacking and killing Anakin, then joining in the battle, casting hover charms and whatever else they feel like to disable the walkers and Clones.

They are battle ready veterans, born to shoot first, ask questions later. They won't 'register' it, they'll shoot it. And if it takes 5 seconds for a feather to rise 10 feet (I youtubed it), it'll be ample time to fire before the tanks are in trouble.
Watch OOTP, Luna Lovegood casts wingardium on a death eater. He is thrust into the air and out of sight in less than a second.

Yeah, I'm the retard. Tell me, how many times now have you gloated over a 'impenetrable plan', only to have it obliterated before your eyes? Or can you not even count to two. And what!! You seriously think 'f[b]riendfyre' is gonna slaughter 500 people in seconds, before they take the 2 seconds it takes to raise and shoot at 21 people? Are you high?[/b]
Fiendfyre will be ever growing, totally under Voldemorts control. If he wants it to remain the size as it was in OOTP, so be it. If he wants to make it grow ten times bigger, his choice. Slow or fast, whatever.

Is this before or after they kill the vehicles and pull garlic guns out their ass?
Again, Watch OOTP, Luna Lovegood casts wingardium on a death eater. He is thrust into the air and out of sight in less than a second.

Death eaters got beaten by children,so yeah they are pretty stupid.
They were beaten by the OOTP, not the children. 😉

Are you allergic to sarcasm or something, or just really thick?
I am allergic to bees, they sting me and my arm swells up like the Hulk.

Jesus christ, do you even know anything about the HPverse. Heres a quick lesson. The death spell is an incredibly difficult spell to perform, Crouch jr said that even if his entire class used it on his, he would barely get a nose-bleed. It takes tremendous magical power to do it, so why don't [b]you try and prove they can do it.[/b]
I am talking about the Death Eaters, they are like the cream of the crop in the wizarding world. Crouch meant it is difficult to cast if the caster is inexperienced. The class was young and inexperienced, so durh, on him, it would have little if any effect. Bellatrix cast it like it was a bodily function. You make it sound as if Voldemort is the only one who can cast it. Utter the phrase, cant the spell, bingo, dead. IF the caster is experienced.

Another lesson- MOVIE FEATS ONLY.
Coming from a guy who just used wiki links?

Another lesson- Anakin uses his ON-SCREEN feat or force scream, which has ON-SCREEN bent durasteel. The wizards get their brains blown out through their nose.
Then why didnt is blow Sidious's brains through his nose? 🙄

Who's dense now, A-hole.
Yeah, I was an ass for calling you dense, apologies.

Even if they can't find him, which they can, a collective scatter-shot from 500 repeater blasters (which fires about 5 shots a second) will own Voldemort in no time.
Already countered this.

No, she came out of her 'half-apperating' smoke thing and got him, completely different.
She landed, cast the spell, Sirius was killed. All in less than a second. Apparating or half apparating, she can do it just as fast. You are now trying to alter onscreen feats. Congrats.

*betrays people by offering a random thing that might help Hogwarts more even if.. yeah.*

TRANSFIGURATION!

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
*betrays people by offering a random thing that might help Hogwarts more even if.. yeah.*

TRANSFIGURATION!

I was just thinking that.

transfigure the walker into a pumpkin. POOF.

transfigure... everything into.. anything else. POOF.

geez, its not fair. Magic makes thing's not fair. It's... not fair.

the only thing going for clones in this here thread is reflexes, agility, training and Anakin, and magic has almost no limitations.

*grumble*

maybe we should just get ewoks to attact hogwarts. the children would die from the cuteness and ewoks pwn the teachers by hitting them with sticks.

Interesting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogwarts#Transfiguration

Vanishing spells, you say?

Conjuring spell, wuuuuuuuuuuuut?

Gee whiz, seems there is more to Hermione and McGonagall than meets the eye.