501st vs. Hogwarts

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, what I was trying for was to explain to you that it can destroy Horcruxes because it's highly magical, not becuase it's incredibly hot (enough, you were arguing, to melt the clones).

Here's the second part of my paragraph, interesting that I literally anticipated what you'd say- 'Now, you can say that he doesn't need for the spell to fully form into the snake/ animal, but you have to remember that he was using it in a battle against his arch-nemesis, if he could have attacked faster, giving Dumbledore less time to counter, he would have. And it would take more seconds to get to the clones, giving them more time to counter-attack.'

The Clones wouldnt have enough time to see the fire, look for the source visually, fail to do so, use their sensors, locate him, and fire. The flames would be upon them.

Yeah probably, though they don't really need to as a collective scatter-shot (the clones will be reasonably spread out, so they will cover a extremely large area just from firing at the opening spot). Also, these guys http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Scout_trooper will most certainly be able to see Voldemort at all times, and easily take him down. - Scout trooper helmets incorporated enhanced macrobinocular viewplates capable of locating energy emissions, target magnification, night vision, and motion tracking.

Scout troopers? So what? fiendfyre will find them and kill them, or they will be transfigured into bugs.

Plus Voldemort won't be able to run very fast in the invisibility cloak, especially while focusing on his spell.

So he controls agunner (which by the way requires line of sight, which he doesn't have) mainpulates him to fire at his allies without getting shot himself? Doubtful.

Fair enough, but shes one of the few (3) who ever actually use it.

As eminence has said, we can't be sure its actually fiendfyre. Plus I thought it had conscious thought. It didn't look like Voldemort was controlling it in the movie. At all. So it's doubtful he can here.

And again:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Fiendfyre

Fiendfyre (also known as Cursed Fire) is a type of fire made from Dark Magic.

Voldemort is indeed a master of dark magic.

Fiendfyre initially appears a "roaring, billowing noise" and gives its victims only a moments warning.

The fire cast by Voldemort in OOTP did just this, it made the roaring, billowing noise and appeared in "a moments notice."

Its flames are of abnormal size and take the shape of monsters and beasts, such as serpents, Chimaeras, and dragons, continuously mutating.

The flames took the shape of a serpent.

It appears to have enough consciousness to actually follow its intended victims.

The flames did this, it recognized Dumbledore as it's intended victim.

That is four characteristics of fiendfyre, matched onscreen.

Logic dictates that it was fiendfyre.

Question: Did they get the prophecy? Answer: No. Explanation: Becuase they were too stupid to Accio the damn thing at the start.

I guess you just answered my question.

Lol, Crabbe, Goyle and Malfoy were death eaters, hardly cream of the crop. Also re-watch OOTP, and see how badly they get their asses kicked. They suck, except for Bellatrix and Voldemort. And again, if they haven't done it in the movie, the can't do it here.

Not to support feats. And you'll notice it's all referenced from sources at the bottom. It's better than using unsupported statements about ambiguous feats to support my entire argument.

Err, maybe because he's allegedly the most powerful Sith Lord ever. Anakin's hissy fit ain't doing shit to him. Fact is, he's on screen used an omni-directional sonic based attack, which the wizards have no defence against to epically pwn metal. Yeah, the wizards go against him, and he owns them.

But theres a difference between flying around, being able to see things and pre-meditate an attack to 'popping out of the ground' and immediately attacking. The latter is impossible.

Coming from you, this is hilarious. Tell me, when has Voldemort shown that he's able to teleport around like nightcrawler in battle? Or fiendfyre attacking without forming?

When the hell did I ever say Voldemort would fiendfyre attack without forming?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
There were clarifications made, not changes, except that the clones were allowed their ground vehicles. And for the record, he never disallowed Dementors.

Here:

Is where Lum clarified for us, and it was done before the new rule was passed. Therefore it stands.

Dude your gimping was the only reason that revision was neccesary.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Dude your gimping was the only reason that revision was neccesary.

Sassing doesnt rub out what has actually happened in reality.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Whatever you say, man 🙄

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, it is fiendfyre. I dont know why you are even arguing this.

You telling me a motion tracker can register an invisible person?

-Where is it stated(or shown) that "fiendfyre" burns any hotter than say a camp-fire?

-Motion trackers don't detect via vision, they detect via motion(hence the name). So yes, an invisible person would register on a motion tracker, once they're in motion.

It als stands to reason an invisible person would register on a thermal scope, sine they're still emanating heat.

Originally posted by Robtard
-Where is it stated(or shown) that "fiendfyre" burns any hotter than say a camp-fire?

-Motion trackers don't detect via vision, they detect via motion(hence the name). So yes, an invisible person would register on a motion tracker, once they're in motion.

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Fiendfyre

Fiendfyre (also known as cursed fire) is a type of fire made from Dark Magic. It is very powerful, as it cannot be put out by Aguamenti (or any normal type of water), but is very difficult for the caster to control. The blaze is so potent that Fiendfyre is one of the very few substances that are capable of destroying a Horcrux.

And by the time they register the Clones will be aflame. Or transfigured.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Whatever you say, man 🙄

Sassing doesnt rub out what has actually happened in reality.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sassing doesnt rub out what has actually happened in reality.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Fiendfyre

Fiendfyre (also known as cursed fire) is a type of fire made from Dark Magic. It is very powerful, as it cannot be put out by Aguamenti (or any normal type of water), but is very difficult for the caster to control. The blaze is so potent that Fiendfyre is one of the very few substances that are capable of destroying a Horcrux.

And by the time they register the Clones will be aflame. Or transfigured.

Doesn't necessarily translate into "it burns through anything", just that it's magical and can't be extinguished by normal means.

The invisible wizard(s) would register instantly, via motion or heat signature.Did Hudson need time to register the Xeno movements on his motion tracker? No. Dis the Predator need time to register with his thermal vision? No.

Ergo, even if Voldermort goes in invisible, he's going to be 'seen' within moments. Especially while trying to cast/form some giant fire-spell. So he'll end up full of holes. Once again, we've gone full circle, the wizards are capable of killing clones, but they'll be dead in return. In the end, the greater force wins.

Originally posted by Robtard
Doesn't necessarily translate into "it burns through anything", just that it's magical and can't be extinguished by normal means.

The invisible wizard(s) would register instantly, via motion or heat signature.Did Hudson need time to register the Xeno movements on his motion tracker? No. Dis the Predator need time to register with his thermal vision? No.

Ergo, even if Voldermort goes in invisible, he's going to be 'seen' within moments. Especially while trying to cast/form some giant fire-spell. So he'll end up full of holes. Once again, we've gone full circle, the wizards are capable of killing clones, but they'll be dead in return. In the end, the greater force wins.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I can see it now, Anakin is transfigured into a Ken doll just as he orders the clones to attack. I wonder if they'd still take orders from him.

Sith-precog,he's likely to counter before a spell is fully cast at him. Either way, the wizard that morphs him, will end up dead via overwhelming blaster-fire in return.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sith-precog,he's likely to counter before a spell is fully cast at him. Either way, the wizard that morphs him, will end up dead via overwhelming blaster-fire in return.

How is he gonna counter a spell? Lightsabers are only shown deflecting laser blasts and other lightsabers. Lightsabers dont block spells.

Dude, the clones are dead. They ae fiendfyred. But by all means, kee ignoring that fact.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
See, your argument hinges on the clones standing their ground and being calm as the fiendfyre bears down on them. Battle seasoned or not, they will panic, they will scatter.

We have scene after scene of clones holdig their ground in the various movies. Why are they suddenly going to freak-out and scatter like scaress children, because YOU say so? No, don't make us laugh.

They're not only battle seasoned, they're genetically designed for battle conditions and extensively trained to be the perfect soldiers.

I think a clone turns the ass-end of a drop-ship towards the fiendfyre and uses the thrusters to extinguish the flame. So some clones get burned, the fire is put out soon after and Voldermort is shot full of holes for his trouble of killing some clones.

Originally posted by Robtard
We have scene after scene of clones holdig their ground in the various movies. Why are they suddenly going to freak-out and scatter like scaress children, because YOU say so? No, don't make us laugh.

They're not only battle seasoned, they're genetically designed for battle conditions and extensively trained to be the perfect soldiers.

I think a clone turns the ass-end of a drop-ship towards the fiendfyre and uses the thrusters to extinguish the flame. So some clones get burned, the fire is put out soon after and Voldermort is shot full of holes for his trouble of killing some clones.

The landing craft is transfigured into a soup can. Or vanished with a vanishing spell.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How is he gonna counter a spell? Lightsabers are only shown deflecting laser blasts and other lightsabers. Lightsabers dont block spells.

Dude, the clones are dead. They ae fiendfyred. But by all means, kee ignoring that fact.

He's far faster than a normal human, so he could force-choke or force-push the wizard while he/she is casting the spell. If Vader's somehow too slow and the spell goes off, he could dodge it with his Sith-speed/reflexes.

Yeah, fiendfyre is just going to spread within seconds and burn-up 500 soldiers, that sounds logical. I realize in your silly HP-clouded mind, you imagine all 500 clones grouped tighly together in some neat little bunch, just waiting to all be burned at once. This isn't how they operate, son.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
See, your argument hinges on the clones standing their ground and being calm as the fiendfyre bears down on them. Battle seasoned or not, they will panic, they will scatter.

Speculation on your part, that is.

You see 'em "shit it and scatter" as part of their Kamino training..?
and scatter like a bunch of little children (your fighting force) in terror in any of the battles of Coruscant, Geonosis and during order 66..? Or even against Yoda..?

Nope all stood their ground. They train to keep formation and fight as trained units. I think it is more likely that the little kids and old people you have charged with defeating the Republic's finest with will be the ones with stools in their pants.... ✅

Here is a list of Harry Potter spells:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Spells

And these are the ones shown in the HP movies, from what I remember:

Wingardium Leviosa
Stupefy
Engorgio
Age Line
Portkeys
Avada Kedavra
Aresto Momentum
Fiendfyre
Expelliarmus
Accio
Reducto
Bombarda Maxima
Petrificus Totalus
Incarcerous
Levicorpus
Legilimens
Occlumency
Crucio
Imperio
Incendio
(Hover Charm)
Everte Statum
Transfiguration
Diminuendo
Alerte Ascendare

The link even goes as far as saying what movie they are shown in. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Originally posted by Robtard
We have scene after scene of clones holdig their ground in the various movies. Why are they suddenly going to freak-out and scatter like scaress children, because YOU say so? No, don't make us laugh.

They're not only battle seasoned, they're genetically designed for battle conditions and extensively trained to be the perfect soldiers.

I think a clone turns the ass-end of a drop-ship towards the fiendfyre and uses the thrusters to extinguish the flame. So some clones get burned, the fire is put out soon after and Voldermort is shot full of holes for his trouble of killing some clones.

✅

Originally posted by Robtard
He's far faster than a normal human, so he could force-choke or force-push the wizard while he/she is casting the spell. If Vader's somehow too slow and the spell goes off, he could dodge it with his Sith-speed/reflexes.

Yeah, fiendfyre is just going to spread within seconds and burn-up 500 soldiers, that sounds logical. I realize in your silly HP-clouded mind, you imagine all 500 clones grouped tighly together in some neat little bunch, just waiting to all be burned at once. This isn't how they operate, son.

Group together, scatter, doesnt matter, fiendfyre seeks them out and fries them.