Black Panther (T'Challa) vs. Elektra

Originally posted by Darth Martin
That's because she [B]is more skilled than T'Challa. She's a top-tier while he's borderline top-tier.

The first fight Karnak was mind controlled I believe. The second fight was under Hudlin's arc. 😬 [/B]

Yeh so basically everything I've been saying lol. 😉

I wouldn't know seeing how I just came in.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
That's because she [B]is more skilled than T'Challa. She's a top-tier while he's borderline top-tier.

The first fight Karnak was mind controlled I believe. The second fight was under Hudlin's arc. 😬 [/B]

Originally posted by Trackz
karnak wasn't mind controlled, I'm not sure how to argue this, I mean he's beaten just as many people as elektra has...just different people, he owned red skull, kraven the hunter, and he took on the fantastic four as well.

None of whom are as skilled as the people Elektra has fought and beaten though.

I'm pretty sure Karnak was mind controlled in one of their fights.

Originally posted by Warrior18
None of whom are as skilled as the people Elektra has fought and beaten though.

I'm pretty sure Karnak was mind controlled in one of their fights.

Originally posted by Trackz
but who is more skilled than the people listed?

Originally posted by Trackz
I only have their latest fight, in which karnak was one-shotted, but who is more skilled than the people listed?

More skilled than the Red Skull and Kraven?
Taskmaster for one.
If we count Elektra's good showings (though not really complete wins) against DD then him too.
She has also impressed Shang Chi with her abilities.
Beaten the high ranking members of the hand who were basically chi amping martial arts masters. Among other things which I can't be bothered to list because it is very late. 🙁

However Iron Fist is a legitimate top tier but when BP fought him Danny was boderline retarded. 😬

Originally posted by Warrior18
More skilled than the Red Skull and Kraven?
Taskmaster for one.
If we count Elektra's good showings (though not really complete wins) against DD then him too.
She has also impressed Shang Chi with her abilities.
Beaten the high ranking members of the hand who were basically chi amping martial arts masters. Among other things which I can't be bothered to list because it is very late. 🙁

However Iron Fist is a legitimate top tier but when BP fought him Danny was boderline retarded. 😬

BP has beaten africa's top warriors ...i mean their H2H feats are extremely close

elektra's TP is useless
Her Sais are useless

so its her H2H against an opponent who has the durability advantage as well as the energy daggers and claws, not to mention that BP is still possibly equal (still undecided) and if he's worse it's by no great margin.

BP has also lost to those same african warriors as well including man ape i believe. also due to his loss at the hands of one of them had to forfeit his title and costume. 😛

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
BP has also lost to those same african warriors as well including man ape i believe. also due to his loss at the hands of one of them had to forfeit his title and costume. 😛

Originally posted by Trackz
more skilled than daredevil and captain america?

Originally posted by Trackz
more skilled than daredevil and captain america? BP has also impressed shang-chi

BP has beaten africa's top warriors ...i mean their H2H feats are extremely close

Umm I don't think BP has beaten DD. As opposed to Elektra who has looked better than and had DD at a disadvantage in just about every fight they have had.

BP was fairly recently flat out in awe of Shangs skill................

Cap was injured I think and even stated in a real fight BP wouldn't win when they had their little back alley non serious sparring match.
Their only other encounter I know of wasn't even a proper finished or prolonged fight.

Elektra has owned and I mean owned Taskmaster. A guy who would give any top tier absolute hell in a pure H2H fight.

She has curbed several elite hand top tiers many of whom were chi ampers.

She has also utterly toyed with Wolverine at least once.Wolverine has even strongly implied she is better at least once.

BP has beaten what we would call second tier fighters in proper fights. Elektra has beaten, done very well against and otherwise curbstomped top tiers.

Who is the more skilled?

That back alley fight was again written by Hudlin.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Umm I don't think BP has beaten DD. As opposed to Elektra who has looked better than and had DD at a disadvantage in just about every fight they have had.

BP was fairly recently flat out in awe of Shangs skill................

Cap was injured I think and even stated in a real fight BP wouldn't win when they had their little back alley non serious sparring match.
Their only other encounter I know of wasn't even a proper finished or prolonged fight.

Elektra has owned and I mean owned Taskmaster. A guy who would give any top tier absolute hell in a pure H2H fight.

She has curbed several elite hand top tiers many of whom were chi ampers.

She has also utterly toyed with Wolverine at least once.Wolverine has even strongly implied she is better at least once.

BP has beaten what we would call second tier fighters in proper fights. Elektra has beaten, done very well against and otherwise curbstomped top tiers.

Who is the more skilled?

he was because he respects him as one of the best martial artists, pretty sure shang-chi paid him respect though...not sure

they've had more than one fight over the years, there's also BP's father beating Cap, and BP is better than him in virtually everyway.

DP has owned taskmaster too, as has moon knight...

BP has owned several of africa's mightiest warriors, some of whom had magical abilities...

wasn't wolverine hindered when they fought reduced t oa feral state with little skill?

BP has beaten red skull who gives cap a fight all the time...none of those feats really put her above BP to any notable degree.

Again even if yo uwant to say Elektra is better, not by any margin that lets her own BP, add into the equation her TP and Sai are useless against a more durable opponent and who has the equipment advantage I thin kBP wins 6-7/10

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I'd say she is more skilled than Daredevil. She's definately more skilled than Captain America in martial arts. Doesn't necessarily make her the better fighter. But like Panther, Cap has various physical advantages that would most likely win it for him. Just in here Panther not only holds that but a killer arsenal. I believe Panther will win but Elektra is the more skilled martial artist though.

Originally posted by Trackz
elektra has also fought daredevil many more times than BP has..and hasn't daredevil beaten her as well?

I don't think he has. Most of the time she has him at a disadvantage and really at times plays him for a fool. Better than BP's record.

Originally posted by Trackz

he was because he respects him as one of the best martial artists, pretty sure shang-chi paid him respect though...not sure

Scans?

BP was seriously in awe of Shang.

Originally posted by Trackz

they've had more than one fight over the years, there's also BP's father beating Cap, and BP is better than him in virtually everyway.

BP isn't his father.

Besides that was WWII era Cap. He is considerably better than he was back then. He has had decades to improve.Comparatively speaking Cap was a rookie.

Originally posted by Trackz

DP has owned taskmaster too, as has moon knight...

Context!!!! 😉

DP is an enhanced superweapon. Tasky is not superhuman. Besides he also used his crazed unpredictability to get the win over Taskmaster, not his skill.

Moonknight and TM didn't even fight. MK simply intimidated him and TM curled up into a ball. He had to since that was the only way he could have survived that encounter.
If TM had actually fought instead of cowering basically before Konshu he would have decimated MK....................

Originally posted by Trackz

BP has owned several of africa's mightiest warriors, some of whom had magical abilities...

Do you have scans of these guys or what they did?

Originally posted by Trackz

wasn't wolverine hindered when they fought reduced t oa feral state with little skill?

Not the only time they've fought.

http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=11.jpg

http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=12.jpg

http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=13.jpg

http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=14.jpg

Here she is being controlled. Notice how she has Logan on the backfoot

http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=19.jpg
http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=Imperfects-02-002.jpg
http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=Imperfects-02-006.jpg
http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=Imperfects-02-011.jpg

Originally posted by Trackz

BP has beaten red skull who gives cap a fight all the time...none of those feats really put her above BP to any notable degree.

Elektra would thump the Red Skull. Well they show she is batter which is all I'm saying. She legitimately has wins over other top tiers through skill. Not many can say that.

Originally posted by Trackz

Again even if yo uwant to say Elektra is better, not by any margin that lets her own BP, add into the equation her TP and Sai are useless against a more durable opponent and who has the equipment advantage I thin kBP wins 6-7/10

Fair. I'm not commenting on who wins since I don't know enough about BP overall. Just giving my opinion on their skill levels. 🙂

Originally posted by Warrior18
I don't think he has. Most of the time she has him at a disadvantage and really at times plays him for a fool. Better than BP's record.

Scans?

BP was seriously in awe of Shang.

BP isn't his father.

Besides that was WWII era Cap. He is considerably better than he was back then. He has had decades to improve.Comparatively speaking Cap was a rookie.

Context!!!! 😉

DP is an enhanced superweapon. Tasky is not superhuman. Besides he also used his crazed unpredictability to get the win over Taskmaster, not his skill.

Moonknight and TM didn't even fight. MK simply intimidated him and TM curled up into a ball. He had to since that was the only way he could have survived that encounter.
If TM had actually fought instead of cowering basically before Konshu he would have decimated MK....................

Do you have scans of these guys or what they did?

Not the only time they've fought.

http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=11.jpg

http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=12.jpg

http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=13.jpg

http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=14.jpg

Here she is being controlled. Notice how she has Logan on the backfoot

http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=19.jpg
http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=Imperfects-02-002.jpg
http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=Imperfects-02-006.jpg
http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/?action=view&current=Imperfects-02-011.jpg

Elektra would thump the Red Skull. Well they show she is batter which is all I'm saying. She legitimately has wins over other top tiers through skill. Not many can say that.

Fair. I'm not commenting on who wins since I don't know enough about BP overall. Just giving my opinion on their skill levels. 🙂

so who has elektra ever lost too??? (other than the skrulls) but she does have an impressive track record, if yo uwant to check most of BP's feats they're in his respect thread on herochat (some of the links are gone)

but without elektra's tp i think it makes a hand-to-hand fight much closer

oh and was something wrong with wolverine in that fight, he went to to a sai through the chest, also if those are from the same comic they're not canon..aren't those the comics to promote the videogame marvel nemesis? They have the imperfects in them which aren't canon in marvel...

Originally posted by Trackz
his headphones help with mindcontrol:
http://img147.imageshack.us/i/114rq.jpg/

http://img147.imageshack.us/i/120qj.jpg/

there is also a scan of cable having trouble getting into his mind, that might've been because of wakandan tech though

if it did then he wouldnt have bn controlled by the shadow king then now would he? 🙄

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
if it did then he wouldnt have bn controlled by the shadow king then now would he? 🙄

Elektra ftw, although BP's standard equipment ie, the Vibranium would cause her some problems.

But in skill she is his clear superior.