If you had one wish, what would you wish for?

Originally posted by jaden101
Websites are not substitutes for books...Never will be.

Since it's all going digital, I sure like it.

And, I find books to be approaching outdated.

Online magazines that have pages that flip is an example of what I'm talking about.

I need something tangible, not a name of a book that I can't verify.

Lemme' show you what I mean:

Naziz spent far less money on science and military, as a function of GDP, than Germany does now. It can be found in:

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany" by William Shirer.

Edit: If I were at his house, then he could show me. In fact, if he wants to really get serious, he could scan or take a picture of the pages he refering to.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I see a serious practical problem in moving technology forward without understanding the mechanisms behind it. Namely, you can't. Not reliably at least.

Not true at all. Discovery can be and is in many cases accidental. The thing with funding is that it allows more current technologies to be used or combined in different ways to make new technology.

An example is that in my hometown there are many companies who specialise in high volume screening of drugs to fight disease. They can only do this through high levels of funding. Most of the time it results in nothing but occasionally results in the testing of a drug against a certain disease that works and would most likely not have been discovered any other way. At that point there is no understanding of the mechanism. It's from that point on that they investigate that.

The advantage of higher funding is that it makes these "accidents" more likely through allowing far more testing.

Obviously knowledge comes into effect and can allow you to discount certain lines of investigation.

I need something tangible, not a name of a book that I can't verify.

Your skepticism is not a determining factor in whether something is true or not though.

Skepticism is healthy but if the the proof you require is in books and I give you those books (which i've given you 2 already) and you say "No doesn't count because I can't read it", it doesn't mean I haven't given you proof.

Naziz spent far less money on science and military, as a function of GDP, than Germany does now. It can be found in: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany" by William Shirer.

Current German spending on military is 1.1% by GDP in 2009 (in 2003 it was 1.45%...Under the Nazis it was 8.1%

From

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub594835B672714A1DB1A121534F010EE1/Doc~E4E63CB3FE88845D5AF8F932B1FDC5411~ATpl~Ecommon~SMed.html#D073AF9174294D8E980E7DDFDE53ED34

and the book and mentioned earlier.

Edit: If I were at his house, then he could show me. In fact, if he wants to really get serious, he could scan or take a picture of the pages he refering to.

For me, that would involve buying a scanner...Feel free to cover the costs if of that if you want to...I can't promise I wont spend it on the lager you stole from me though.

Originally posted by jaden101
Your skepticism is not a determining factor in whether something is true or not though.

It is when you're trying to prove it to me.

Originally posted by jaden101
Skepticism is healthy but if the the proof you require is in books and I give you those books (which i've given you 2 already) and you say "No doesn't count because I can't read it", it doesn't mean I haven't given you proof.

That's true and it's not.

Like I just showed you, I can make any claim and put a book's name down with the author.

Do you blame me, though? I should be as skeptical as possible when someone makes a claim that seems like it isn't true.

Originally posted by jaden101
Current German spending on military is 1.1% by GDP in 2009 (in 2003 it was 1.45%...Under the Nazis it was 8.1%

From

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub594835B672714A1DB1A121534F010EE1/Doc~E4E63CB3FE88845D5AF8F932B1FDC5411~ATpl~Ecommon~SMed.html#D073AF9174294D8E980E7DDFDE53ED34

URL doesn't work and that doesn't answer the question I posed to you after you made your claim.

And if that's your evidence, then the US has them beat by FAR.

The US spent 37% of GDP on military during WWII.

http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/08autumn/sharp.pdf

Going by your logic, aren't you glad the Allies won the war? 😛

Originally posted by jaden101
and the book and mentioned earlier.

For me, that would involve buying a scanner...Feel free to cover the costs if of that if you want to...I can't promise I wont spend it on the lager you stole from me though.

You old man. I have two scanners and recently threw away an old one. Actually the two I have now are cheap multi-function printers.

Besides, a digital camera is all he needs. Much faster than a scanner.

And if that's your evidence, then the US has them beat by FAR. The US spent 37% of GDP on military during WWII.

Since when has military expenditure equalled scientific research spending?

In fact the book name I gave you makes a point of showing a huge distinction between them.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Still better than "The Picture of Dorian Gray", which is just . . . just awful.

I wish for this thread to get back on topic...

Originally posted by Mindship
I wish for this thread to get back on topic...

Be real. 😉

Originally posted by jaden101
Since when has military expenditure equalled scientific research spending?

In fact the book name I gave you makes a point of showing a huge distinction between them.

Since when you cited that as a source to prove your point.

Originally posted by Mindship
I wish for this thread to get back on topic...

Strangely, it is on topic. Jaden is justifying his wish.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
For the global human population to never exceed 100 million.

This may sound a bit selfish because everyone reading this would die, but I wish for the same thing except my number would be 100. Not 100 million, but 100. And my choice.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Strangely, it is on topic. Jaden is justifying his wish.

Originally posted by botankus
This may sound a bit selfish because everyone reading this would die, but I wish for the same thing except my number would be 100. Not 100 million, but 100. And my choice.

So you would wipe out humanity completely?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Cool.

Do you have something more tangible? Like a website?

I thought the internal numbers were closer to a million, but not 50%.

I have not followed the subject closely in recent years so no. My info on this matter comes from books and documentaries. But before about 15 years ago I was into this subject extensively. Please remember though. Most history is subjective. It's written by one of at least two sides. The older history is the harder it is to verify it's authenticity. The Nazis did keep meticulous documents, but much of what happened on the Eastern front will forever be lost to history.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Strangely, it is on topic. Jaden is justifying his wish.

Even if it was off-topic...It's been a good debate. Something sadly lacking on KMC these days.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So you would wipe out humanity completely?

Originally posted by botankus
I'm thinking 99 gay guys and 1 chick, so yes.

Would you be one of the 99 gay guys? 😛

Originally posted by Mindship
I wish to be less dense so as not to waste former wishes.

The day you're dense is the day I stop loving food.

Let's just hope I don't ever go through Chemo so my point remains a compliment. 😆

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
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I have not followed the subject closely in recent years so no. My info on this matter comes from books and documentaries. But before about 15 years ago I was into this subject extensively. Please remember though. Most history is subjective. It's written by one of at least two sides. The older history is the harder it is to verify it's authenticity. The Nazis did keep meticulous documents, but much of what happened on the Eastern front will forever be lost to history.

I also have read from multiple locations that numerous 3rd Reich documents were destroyed in the invasion campaigns. The reasons included bombings, incidental fires, Nazi's themselves destroying documents, allied forces toasting documents, theft, etc.

You know, Jaden could actually have a much better point if more of those documents and "technologies" were saved. I hear from old people all the time that the Nazis discovered or were doing groundbreaking things, all the time. It could be mostly unsubstantiated myth, or it could be their GI buddies coming home telling their friends about some of the stuff they destroyed in the invasions.

I do not think Jaden is full of shit, or even remotely off base. On the same token, I also don't think you're lying when you said 10 million (50%) instead of the 1 million I learned in school and college.

Jaden, the only thing I'm not kosher with, thus far, is your claim that the 3rd Reich would have resulted in more technologies, faster. As of right now, I think it's the opposite. We have more technologies and faster due to the 3rd Reich falling.

Originally posted by jaden101
Even if it was off-topic...It's been a good debate. Something sadly lacking on KMC these days.

Hell yes. We could do with more discussion in the GDF. The OTF only goes so far before one gets tired of the light-hearted conversations. I must say that I learned a couple of things. I didn't know about the usefulness of the freezing tests. I always assumed, due to the strong anti-Nazi opinions I've been exposed to, that it was a useless experirment that only functioned as sadism.

Right now I kinda wish these tornado sirens would shut the hell up.

GRANTED!

I'd wish for superspeed a la The Flash (Bart)