Is Exile the most powerful jedi

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xxxpoppunker182 Senior Member
Originally posted by Incanus
NO SHE ISNT...... Tulak Hord would kill the EWxile for sure, as when u go to Korriban if u listen to the history then jedi and sith of that era were like children playing with toys to the skill of the ancient masters, so Tulak Hord who just chop her head off or something...... Marka Ragnos can cover an entire PLANET in force lightning, he was a half breed of dark jedi and True Sith, and Naga Sadow caused stars to go nova (about 5) at once, all across the galaxy, so they were considerably more powerful thatn the after comers. of course, thats just sith.... isk about the jedi, but Cin Drallig would be killed WITH Dooku in a fght with Tulak......

how old are you?

Incanus Istari

Look, i had to leave so i just typed as fast as i coud, making mistakes, sue me, we all do. But Marka and Naga came before the Exile and all that, but i just didnt care as much about the jedi cuz i like sith better =-)
and anyways lightsaber proficincy(srry forgot how to spell it) is part of being how powerful a jedi/sith is, theres no denying it with proof,as , say you take the lightsaber from, oh, maybe Dooku, and he is about half as powerful as he was with a lightsaber. Even Bane is like that, as even he wasnt able to kill anyone he met with the force, though he did have a good result in using it, he still needed his lightsaber.

Dr McBeefington Restricted
Originally posted by Incanus
Look, i had to leave so i just typed as fast as i coud, making mistakes, sue me, we all do. But Marka and Naga came before the Exile and all that, but i just didnt care as much about the jedi cuz i like sith better =-)
and anyways lightsaber proficincy(srry forgot how to spell it) is part of being how powerful a jedi/sith is, theres no denying it with proof,as , say you take the lightsaber from, oh, maybe Dooku, and he is about half as powerful as he was with a lightsaber. Even Bane is like that, as even he wasnt able to kill anyone he met with the force, though he did have a good result in using it, he still needed his lightsaber.

Who cares who you like better? You haven't made a case for..Well anything. And your bit about lightsaber proficiency? Are you serious? Bane killed plenty of people just with the force. They're two different battle tactics.

Incanus Istari
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Who cares who you like better? You haven't made a case for..Well anything. And your bit about lightsaber proficiency? Are you serious? Bane killed plenty of people just with the force. They're two different battle tactics.

like i said he had good results from the force, but he would still be diminished without his lightsaber, as he always used the force in conjunction with it.

Dr McBeefington Restricted
Originally posted by Incanus
like i said he had good results from the force, but he would still be diminished without his lightsaber, as he always used the force in conjunction with it.

What does this even mean? He would only be diminished if he were to face another force user, and then he could still win the fight with the force. A saber duel just gives battle another dynamic apart from force duels.

Elite Hunter Senior Member

No, she isn't. Off the top of my head I would put the following jedi ahead of her overall: Luke,Yoda,Mace, Jacen,Galen Marek,Kyle Katarn,Kyp Durron. (im probably missing a few names here too)

Then there are others (like Jaina and Anakin Skywalker) that I would pick over her but the fact that she is an unknown makes it harder to judge.( i dont see her being more skilled then either of them with a saber but her force powers maybe greater its just too hard to judge if they really are with her unknown status)

Dr McBeefington Restricted

Haven't we proven that the exile is just an average Jedi while being a wound in the force?

Elite Hunter Senior Member
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Haven't we proven that the exile is just an average Jedi while being a wound in the force?

I don't see how she could be just an average jedi with a special gift (wound in the force.) I don't think an average jedi could have done what she did on Malachor.

She defeated an unknown amount of sith at the academy then talked Darth Sion to death. I don't see Sion just standing there and letting her talk, and it would certainly take more then saying "Kreia loves me more,just die" for Sion to lose the will to live. Then right after this she defeated Traya. And all that happens on a world that is deeply connected to the darkside which would give the sith an advantage and her a disadvantage.

Dr McBeefington Restricted

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
I don't see how she could be just an average jedi with a special gift (wound in the force.) I don't think an average jedi could have done what she did on Malachor.

She defeated an unknown amount of sith at the academy then talked Darth Sion to death. I don't see Sion just standing there and letting her talk, and it would certainly take more then saying "Kreia loves me more,just die" for Sion to lose the will to live. Then right after this she defeated Traya. And all that happens on a world that is deeply connected to the darkside which would give the sith an advantage and her a disadvantage.

Her social engineering skills have nothing to do with her power and skill in the force. We don't know exactly how many sith marauders she killed at the Trayus academy. I think that's all she is though. An average Jedi with an abnormal skill(wound).

Fan Skywalker Senior Member
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Haven't we proven that the exile is just an average Jedi while being a wound in the force?

Well Master Vandar described her as a "an average student of the force" and Vrook Lamar called her a "mediocre jedi", though to be fair Vrook likely disdained her, so ya i think we have.

Elite Hunter Senior Member

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Her social engineering skills have nothing to do with her power and skill in the force.

I never said they did. My point was that its going to take more then saying "Kreia loves me more,just die" for Sion to lose the will to live. Based on Sion's ability to "regenerate" himself I don't think this was a short fight. The right after talking him to to death, she killed Traya who would also have the advantage of being on Malachor.

I don't know how many average jedi could take on 2 sith lords,one right after the other (and killing an unknown number of sith before hand by her) on a planet that rich in the darkside by themselves. I don't see how an average jedi could do what the exile did. (this would include giving the jedi the same relationship with Sion/Traya and being a wound in the force)

We don't know exactly how many sith marauders she killed at the Trayus academy.

That's true we don't know and may never will. But if we look at the facts that it is an academy and appears to be one of the last sith strongholds (the republic doesnt appear to have gone to the planet since the end of the mando war) then I'd imagine it's fairly well staffed.

Dr McBeefington Restricted

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
I never said they did. My point was that its going to take more then saying "Kreia loves me more,just die" for Sion to lose the will to live. Based on Sion's ability to "regenerate" himself I don't think this was a short fight. The right after talking him to to death, she killed Traya who would also have the advantage of being on Malachor.

The fight is described as the Exile "eroding his will." And I'm unconvinced that Traya actually tried in her fight against the Exile, as I've played both DS and LS.

I don't know how many average jedi could take on 2 sith lords,one right after the other (and killing an unknown number of sith before hand by her) on a planet that rich in the darkside by themselves. I don't see how an average jedi could do what the exile did. (this would include giving the jedi the same relationship with Sion/Traya and being a wound in the force)

Except in each case, she won due to some circumstance.

That's true we don't know and may never will. But if we look at the facts that it is an academy and appears to be one of the last sith strongholds (the republic doesnt appear to have gone to the planet since the end of the mando war) then I'd imagine it's fairly well staffed.

Last sith strongholds in terms of the True Sith. The marauders Traya trained were just remnants of Revan's sith empire.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Actually, Kavar directly states that the Exile had a 'strong connection to the force' before the wound thing. And the Exile states that she has become more powerful since regaining her power. Add to this her unique abilities to feed on death, and I feel that she could very well be one of the most powerful jedi (or possibly sith) ever. However, she has little feats to her name, and no proof of her power, so she remains an unknown quantity.

Elite Hunter Senior Member

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
The fight is described as the Exile "eroding his will."

Yes, I know, that is my point. The Exile had to survive long enough against sith lord on a planet rich in the darkside (an advantage for Sion), to erode his will. I somehow doubt that it was an easy or quick thing to accomplish. (Hence why I wrote this "Kreia loves me more,just die" as i get the impression you are downplaying this feat, the Exile had to do more then just stab Sion with a saber to kill him)

And I'm unconvinced that Traya actually tried in her fight against the Exile, as I've played both DS and LS.

That's speculation with no concrete proof, but theTraya uses not one,not two, but three lightsabers via telekinesis which is something highly doubt The Exile has seen doesn't exactly sound like she was trying to do a favor. Then you have to acknowledge the fact that Malachor would give Traya another advantage in combat and she didn't have to fight her way to the Exile, like the Exile had to do to get to Traya.

I don't see how average Jedi A or B could get through Malachor even if we gave the same circumstance as the Exile. (Wound in the force,relationship with Sion/Traya and same amount of skill in persuasion)

Last sith strongholds in terms of the True Sith. The marauders Traya trained were just remnants of Revan's sith empire

I was referring to Revan/Malak's sith empire. Malachor and it's academy doesn't appear to have been touched by the republic in the JCW hence why I consider it the last "stronghold" of their sith. It's still an academy and it appears that Sion/Traya had a fair amount of sith under their command and potentially engage the Exile,who had no backup with her.

Elite Hunter Senior Member

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Dr McBeefington Restricted

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Yes, I know, that is my point. The Exile had to survive long enough against sith lord on a planet rich in the darkside (an advantage for Sion), to erode his will. I somehow doubt that it was an easy or quick thing to accomplish. (Hence why I wrote this "Kreia loves me more,just die" as i get the impression you are downplaying this feat, the Exile had to do more then just stab Sion with a saber to kill him)

I think you're missing my point. We don't know the circumstances of the fight. It could have been mostly talking and less fighting and the Exile did just enough to talk him to death. This feat doesn't make the Exile appear above average.

That's speculation with no concrete proof, but theTraya uses not one,not two, but three lightsabers via telekinesis which is something highly doubt The Exile has seen doesn't exactly sound like she was trying to do a favor. Then you have to acknowledge the fact that Malachor would give Traya another advantage in combat and she didn't have to fight her way to the Exile, like the Exile had to do to get to Traya.

Play the fight scene with Traya again you'll see what I'm talking about. She also says something along the lines of "kill me or I'll kill you."

I was referring to Revan/Malak's sith empire. Malachor and it's academy don't appear to have been touched by the republic in the JCW hence why I consider it the last "stronghold" of their sith. It's still an academy and it appears that Sion/Traya had a fair amount of sith under their command.

Don't appear to be touched? You mean aside from the Mass Shadow Generator that basically destroyed the planet?

Elite Hunter Senior Member

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I think you're missing my point. We don't know the circumstances of the fight. It could have been mostly talking and less fighting and the Exile did just enough to talk him to death. This feat doesn't make the Exile appear above average.

Sion doesn't strike me as that type of guy that likes to talk. He is pretty f***in pissed when the Exile came. I don't see him just standing there and debating with the Exile, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here.

Play the fight scene with Traya again you'll see what I'm talking about. She also says something along the lines of "kill me or I'll kill you."

I guess I'm going to have to, but it certainly doesn't explain why Traya would want to use a lightsaber style that Exile is completely unfamiliar with if she had no intention of winning.

Don't appear to be touched? You mean aside from the Mass Shadow Generator that basically destroyed the planet?
I was referring to Revan/Malak's sith empire. Malachor and it's academy doesn't appear to have been touched by the republic in the JCW hence why I

There is no evidence that the republic went there since then, the academy obviously the MSG and was used by Revan and Malak.

Wolverine2179 Restricted

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
No, she isn't. Off the top of my head I would put the following jedi ahead of her overall: Luke,Yoda,Mace, Jacen,Galen Marek,Kyle Katarn,Kyp Durron. (im probably missing a few names here too)

Your forgetting count dooku, sidious and vader 🙂

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!
Actually, Kavar directly states that the Exile had a 'strong connection to the force' before the wound thing. And the Exile states that she has become more powerful since regaining her power.

Edit: And yes, thats a direct quote. I wrote it down becuase I knew Ds would argue this again someday.

Elite Hunter Senior Member
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Your forgetting count dooku, sidious and vader 🙂

jedi 😉