Is Exile the most powerful jedi

Her raw power in the force was great, while the Exile's connection to the force has little meaning. Zannah didn't become very powerful until she studied the dark side. The Exile didn't have thorough training.

No, she was powerful before. She did all of those feats I mentioned instinctively without any training what so ever.

And way to make baseless assumptions. The Exile was powerful and skilled enough for Revan to trust her by making her his top generals, during which she actively participated in battle against the Mandalorians, the greatest jedi-killers bar the sith. There is nothing to suggest she was improperly trained.

There's nothing to indicate Revan regained anything? I guess Malak, Bastila and KOTOR all disagree with you.

Face, meet palm. It's actually the opposite. But if you can prove it I'll be willing to listen.

So? This speaks wonders for the Exile how?

Even defeating a weakened Nihilus with help is a big feat, considering his immense power before getting weakened.

Play both LS and DS endings before posting.

I don't know the relevance of your words. Please explain.

Go ahead and prove that any of these sith were anywhere near the level of a Jedi Master.

It's not their individual strength, its that she killed a dozen trained sith assassins with no visible effort at all at once. That level of power eclipses a jedi masters. Heck, not even Bane's on that level,as when he tried the same feat, he produced inferior results.

You know nothing about the circumstances of the training. Not to mention, I find that unlikely seeing as how the Exile went to look for Revan.

How could there be any differing circumstances, unless you think she pulled a holocron out of her ass, she taught the all by herself. And this was before she went after Revan.

Way to incorporate gameplay mechanics into the discussion.

Only one of those feats can possibly change during gameplay, so I have no idea what your talking about.

The only feat I will grant that was impressive was defeating Atris, and we don't know her power.

Enough to defeat all of her Handmaidens by herself at once, who were specifically trained to defeat jedi. Enough to be on the jedi council. Enough to be a jedi master. So the Exile is at least on par with a jedi master. Hardly 'average'.

She didn't solo a sith academy,

Then I must have imagined fighting my way through one. After fighting through the beast's of Malachor and before defeating Darth Traya.

and you don't know the circumstances of the Sion fight.

I know enough.

And please don't start pretending that the Exile is superior to Revan.

I have the quote right here- 'you are greater than any I have ever trained'. So Traya thinks so at least.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, she was powerful before. She did all of those feats I mentioned instinctively without [b]any training what so ever.

And way to make baseless assumptions. The Exile was powerful and skilled enough for Revan to trust her by making her his top generals, during which she actively participated in battle against the Mandalorians, the greatest jedi-killers bar the sith. There is nothing to suggest she was improperly trained.

Face, meet palm. It's actually the opposite. But if you can prove it I'll be willing to listen.

Even defeating a weakened Nihilus with help is a big feat, considering his immense power before getting weakened.

It's not their individual strength, its that she killed a dozen trained sith assassins with no visible effort at all at once. That level of power eclipses a jedi masters. Heck, not even Bane's on that level,as when he tried the same feat, he produced inferior results.

How could there be any differing circumstances, unless you think she pulled a holocron out of her ass, she taught the all by herself. And this was before she went after Revan.

Only one of those feats can possibly change during gameplay, so I have no idea what your talking about.

Enough to defeat all of her Handmaidens by herself at once, who were specifically trained to defeat jedi. Enough to be on the jedi council. Enough to be a jedi master. So the Exile is at least on par with a jedi master. Hardly 'average'.

Then I must have imagined fighting my way through one. After fighting through the beast's of Malachor and before defeating Darth Traya.

I know enough.

I have the quote right here- 'you are greater than any I have ever trained'. So Traya thinks so at least. [/B]

Zannah right? Yea, she had the power of anger/dark side that the Exile didn't have. The exile just had a strong connection to the force, which can be interpreted in a multitude of ways.

Actually Zannah didn't have anything for her feats, just power. Unless you can prove she was benefiting from the temporary darkside boost for all her feats.

Jesus christ, i'm trying to be civil and it's hard when you're talking out of your ass. You don't KNOW why Revan chose her. She could have had great leadership qualities, or was amazing in the sack.

Of course we don't KNOW, but we do know that the Exile actively participated in numerous battles against the mandalorians, including the 'suicide mission' detailed in the Korriban tombs. And she survived. Furthermore, given Revan's growing sith traits, its incredibly unlikely he'd promote a unskilled weakling to be his 3rd in command, especially given that a command position of jedi would require a knowledge of their skills.

Seeing as how you haven't proven the former, the burden of proof is still on you. But I'll humor you. During his fight with Malak, Malak was astonished how much of his old self he got back.

'I'm impressed Revan. Perhaps there is more of your old self in you than blah blah'.

Kreia mentions MANY times in KOTOR 2 how Revan regained his memory and that is why he left to fight the true sith. You lose.

AFTER the events of Kotor, not during. This is specified by Carth's/Bastila's message in T3, Bastila's sith holocron, talking to Carth after the Telos battle, 'she would keep remembering things', specified after the war and I think Kreia actually says it was after when you ask.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knhuDSaiCwQ

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The Exile and mandalore, Visas is concentrating on weakening him.

Yes, Kreia used a force drain that she says couldn't be learned. She has that one technique that could defeat most characters but it is that ONE technique that places her above most force users. Other than that, we have no knowledge of the skill of the sith marauders.

No she didn't. There was no drain, just her walking past them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Ftl0nslqY&feature=related 2.50

I'm not required to state what I think happened, but you are required to tell me what happened if you are to use it as part of your argument.

She taught them how to be jedi, thats it. How to feel and use the force and shii-cho, average knowledge for any jedi.

The only true victory came in the form of Atris. The rest were circumstantial.

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You don't know how powerful the handmaidens are.

They were trained to keep jedi in line, so they aren't weaklings. They are trained echani warriors (even the mandalorians respected the echani) and were trained in that wierd battle pre-cog thing.

And the Exile being on par with a jedi master doesn't mean she's powerful, which was your contention. It means she has some (albeit few) impressive feats to her name.

What? How can you admit shes better than a jedi master and still think she's just average. And she is powerful, Kavar states this about her weaker self and Sion directly says she powerful and a match for Traya.

Not nearly enough to use it in a debate.

I disagree. I've already stated why.

She's also biased in favor of the Exile because the Exile represents the death of the force, which is what Kreia wanted.

She was about to die, hardly the time to stroke the exiles ego. Plus, just becuase shes slightly bias in favour of the Exile doesn't mean she'd do such a gross exaggeration like your saying. It makes no logical sense. At the very least they're close in power, or Traya wouldn't have said that. And having trained, lived and interacted with both, Traya is in the perfect position to compare they're power.

Not to mention her saying that means she thinks the Exiles 'greater' than Nihilus.

Anyway, I think I've proven my point. Due to her feats and references to being 'strong', theres no way The Exile is 'just an average jedi', but alot more than that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually Zannah didn't have anything for her feats, just power. Unless you can prove she was benefiting from the temporary darkside boost for all her feats.

Anyway, I think I've proven my point. Due to her feats and references to being 'strong', theres no way The Exile is 'just an average jedi', but alot more than that.

No, you've given a bunch of useless information mixed with irrelevant gameplay mechanics. The only thing the Exile has going for is her defeat of Atris and whatever happened on Malachor V before she faced Traya.

Zannah at 10 years old could make shit explode. The Exile at 30 had nothing to her name.

Thats not the point! The point is that merely being strong and powerful, which the exile is, can make you exceptional.

Yet again, you can surmise all you want, but we she could have given him great head for all you know.

Do... you miss points on purpose?

That's just one of many quotes to prove you wrong.

Lol. Read the quote again and explain how it 'proves me wrong'.

Erm, bastila never made a sith holocron?

Poor attempt at a sidetrack. I posted a link that proves you wrong, ergo you lose.

And there IS a holocron of bastila on Korriban, stating that revan regained memories after the star forge. And this is so obscurely off topic I suggest you drop it.

Same effect as the drain. All fall dead at once, they lose their connection to the force.

No and prove it. No drain effect, no suggestion of a drain and no proof.

Wonderful, doesn't put her into any top tier.

Once again you've missed the point.

Great! Point-

Is that Atris is a powerful combatant, which in turn makes the Exile a greater one.

She's an average Jedi who can defeat an average Jedi Master. What's the problem? Defeating a master doesn't make you exceptional.

Uhrg. This is embarrassing.

There's absolutely no proof that the Exile was anywhere near Revan's league.

Except by feats. And acknowledgements.

No, you've given a bunch of useless information mixed with irrelevant gameplay mechanics. The only thing the Exile has going for is her defeat of Atris and whatever happened on Malachor V before she faced Traya.

Which firmly place her in the realms of the exceptional.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats not the point! The point is that merely being strong and powerful, which the exile is, can make you exceptional.

Do... you miss points on purpose?

Which firmly place her in the realms of the exceptional.

Ok, dude, there IS a sith holocron on Korriban. It is (formerly)Uthar Wynns room, and if you activate it when its not broken, then it has Bastila in it as she appeard in KOTOR 1. Dont even say shes not, or i imagine things every time i play and go there.

CAN=/=Will.

Well apparently it does becuase, given the Exile's feats, which are pretty good for someone who 'didn't have thorough training' (which isn't provable or remotely likely).

Apparently you miss the points.

Name one point I've missed. Your whole argument equates to 'cant prov anyting! Exile sux coks!', which is poor, frankly.

Revan regained most of his memories back as a Jedi, and after defeating Malak. This is fact.

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Glad... glad you've seen the light. 🤨

And here comes the denial.

English, do you speak it?

Then don't mention bullshit you can't back up.

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Of course. The same way Kreia was stripped of the force by Nihilus and Sion. The same way her enemies dropped to their deaths.

No, becuase Kreia survived. She wasn't completely drained of the force, becuase she managed to regain it. That attack absolutely severs someone from the Force. Nice try though. Trying to link the two attacks even if that weren't true is nothing but baseless speculation though.

You've yet to make a point.

Actually, I proved my point.

Or Atris could be above average which makes the Exile slightly above average? Still no proof that she's exceptional.

Defeating half a dozen exceptional warriors at once makes you quite a bit beyond slightly above average actually. Defeating an exceptional Sith Lord (Traya) makes you even better.

It truly is. Your argument for her being exceptional is... Oh there isn't one. I will retract my previous statement about her being average and change it to somewhat above average.

How humble of you.

None of her feats are on the same level as Revan.

I know, they're a step higher actually.

None of her acknowledgements are on the same level as Revan. You lose.

Revans own master considers her better. You suck.

Wrong again.

Nope.

Really though DS, your doing little more than trolling now. I've won this argument, as any half-smart person could see and I'm bored with hammering it into you. I'm going to bed now. G'night.

You're delusional, your arguments are hilarious, you're back peddling, and you're probably riding my nuts.

But their sooooo comfy.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well apparently it does becuase, given the Exile's feats, which are pretty good for someone who 'didn't have thorough training' (which isn't provable or remotely likely).

No, becuase Kreia survived. She wasn't completely drained of the force, becuase she managed to regain it. That attack [b]absolutely severs someone from the Force. Nice try though. Trying to link the two attacks even if that weren't true is nothing but baseless speculation though.

Actually, I proved my point.

Defeating half a dozen exceptional warriors at once makes you quite a bit beyond slightly above average actually. Defeating an exceptional Sith Lord (Traya) makes you even better.

I know, they're a step higher actually.

Revans own master considers her better. You suck.

Really though DS, your doing little more than trolling now. I've won this argument, as any half-smart person could see and I'm bored with hammering it into you. I'm going to bed now. G'night. [/B]

Ah right, which means you haven't made any kind of legitimate argument, and you're waiting on someone to save you. You've lost so go back to the drawing board. And no, you're not "hammering" it with me, you're trying to save face. When you come back, make sure you're consistent and make actual points, rather than sounding like a novice with a misplaced ego who can't remember what he's arguing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRf5CP9GOV0

1. Kreia hates the force and wants it to die
2. The exile represents the death of the force
3. Kreia says the exile is her greatest student because SHE represents everything Kreia wants.
4. Kreia babbles on and then gives less than a considerable effort

"The apprentice must kill the master. If you do not, I will kill you."

Maybe you should view your sources before going into an argument? I'll expect a rebuttal that has nothing to do with the debate, but another deflection with the hope that someone will help you.

Because would be the word. Maybe you should learn to spell while "owning" me rofl.

Sidetracking. I misspelled because, sue me oh budding genius lawyer.

And while her feats are "pretty good", that wasn't the argument that you were trying to make. Did you get confused in your own text?

No, but I think you have. The argument that I started was that because the Exile is 'strong' she cannot be 'average' becuase 'strong' by definition is above 'average. Coincidently, I've proven my point.

My argument actually involves disproving your weak theories and watching you squirm out of them with retarded ideas and gameplay mechanics.

So far I've used two pieces of gameplay machanic, her defeat of the Trayas academy and her defeat of Nihilus. Both of which are impressive no matter how they are influenced by gameplay.

Except your assertion was that the Exile is "exceptional". Something you haven't even begun to prove.

Actually I have. There is a rather large collection of evidence of her being 'exceptional', despite that not being my original point. She is referred to as having a 'strong connection to the force' by Kavar before she became wounded, she then becomes more powerful, elevating herself beyond strong. Her ability to feed on death, and the level of death she causes are other indications of strength, as is Darth Sion calling her that, and subsequently stating he believes she could become more powerful than Darth Traya, which she then does. Canderous Ordo also expresses his belief in her, staing that he believes her to be a match for Revan, someone he has intimate knoiwledge of, having been one of Revans companions. It is also impossible to call the Exile 'improperly trained' as even before her wounding she was skilled in the art of lightsaber combat, utilizing the lightsaber forms Shii-Cho, Makashi, and Soresu, and was known to have used at least one advanced Force technique, known as Force Channel. These are things that 'come back to her' after her reconnection. She also actively participated in the Mandalorian wars and survived, a feat in itself. She also taught her disciples to be jedi, something that would require skills, and these jedi would go on to re-build the order. She also defeated Atris, a skilled jedi master with perhaps one of the greatest knowledge bases in history and the temporary boost one gets from giving in to anger (so shes at least on Jedi Master level), Darth Traya, fought through a sith academy, held off Darth Sion long enough to Dun Moch him and defeated a weakened Darth Nihilus with the help of Mandalore the Preserver. But yeah, she's pretty ****ing average.

Poor attempt at humor, especially since that actually made sense.

I point out that the link I posted helps my point and then you say I'm about to deny something and you think that makes sense? Are you even trying to win?

owned

I know I have, considering I've proven my point and you haven't done jack shit.

Kreia survived because they didn't try and kill her, just embarrass her and sever her from the force temporarily.

Yes, they severed her from the force, a technique that can be permanant if you wish it, but has never been fatal. What Traya did to the masters is drain the force from them completely, killing them. What she does to the assassins is walk past them, stop, and stand there while they collapse. There is nothing to suggest it was a drain, no animation, no noise, no ability to click on them and see that they've been drained, nothing.

Hilarious. This fool keeps trying to convince himself that he's owned me, yet can't even follow his own argument, making random stuff up. Prove those warriors were "exceptional",

They were trained echani warriors, warriors even the Mandalorians respected, skilled and trained extensively in a variety of combat styles employing close-quarter weaponry and unarmed combat, and they were all highly skilled in the renowned martial art of the Echani and its advanced forms, as provable when Brianna taught them to the Exile. They were also skilled in the echani art of Battle precognition, as provable when Brianna taught it to the Exile. Atris taught them personally ways in which to combat jedi and sith, hoping to make them into a police force for the jedi. So yeah, they're pretty damn exceptional.

and while you're at it, play both DS and LS endings which show Kreia giving less than a supreme effort.

I don't have time for that, so enlighten me on why your clinging to this delusion.

And the self pwnage continues.

Traya>Malak. Trayas academy> Star Forge. Storm beasts > Two tarantereks. Atris > Juhani. Bounty Hunters guild and Exchange> Davik Kang. Sion > Bandon.

self pwnage #2

Whatever you say sport. 😉

Ah right, which means you haven't made any kind of legitimate argument, and you're waiting on someone to save you. You've lost so go back to the drawing board. And no, you're not "hammering" it with me, you're trying to save face. When you come back, make sure you're consistent and make actual points, rather than sounding like a novice with a misplaced ego who can't remember what he's arguing.

I've proven that she's powerful in the force, that merely being powerful can make one exceptional, that the Exile has the skills to back it up and that shes above Jedi Master level. So yeah, I've proven my point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRf5CP9GOV0

'I have used you so that you might become strong, stronger than I'

1. Kreia hates the force and wants it to die

And if shge defeats the Exile she can kill it.

2. The exile represents the death of the force

'In you I see the potential to turn away from the Force'. Except that she turned away and grabbed it back at her first opportunity and that is why she failed Traya. 'If so then do it- for you have already failed me'. Traya holds no love for the Exile anymore.

3. Kreia says the exile is her greatest student because SHE represents everything Kreia wants.

No, she represents someone who turns from the force in fear (as she states on Dantooine) and immediately embraces it again in desperation. NOT what Kreia wants.

4. Kreia babbles on and then gives less than a considerable effort

Yeah because attacking someone with 3 lightsabers is really going easy. Why don't you try to prove she gave a 'less than a considerable effort'?

"The apprentice must kill the master. If you do not, I will kill you. If I do not, then all you have achieved will be as nothing, as empty and and violent as malachor itself"

The full quote. It seems I know the original source better than you huh? 😉

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sidetracking. I misspelled because, sue me oh budding genius lawyer.

Yes, they severed her from the force, a technique that can be permanant if you wish it, but has never been fatal. What Traya did to the masters is drain the force from them completely, killing them. What she does to the assassins is walk past them, stop, and stand there while they collapse. There is nothing to suggest it was a drain, no animation, no noise, no ability to click on them and see that they've been drained, [b]nothing.

They were trained echani warriors, warriors even the Mandalorians respected, skilled and trained extensively in a variety of combat styles employing close-quarter weaponry and unarmed combat, and they were all highly skilled in the renowned martial art of the Echani and its advanced forms, as provable when Brianna taught them to the Exile. They were also skilled in the echani art of Battle precognition, as provable when Brianna taught it to the Exile. Atris taught them personally ways in which to combat jedi and sith, hoping to make them into a police force for the jedi. So yeah, they're pretty damn exceptional.

Traya>Malak. Trayas academy> Star Forge. Storm beasts > Two tarantereks. Atris > Juhani. Bounty Hunters guild and Exchange> Davik Kang. Sion > Bandon.

I've proven that she's powerful in the force, that merely being powerful can make one exceptional, that the Exile has the skills to back it up and that shes above Jedi Master level. So yeah, I've proven my point.

'I have used you so that you might become strong, stronger than I'

And if shge defeats the Exile she can kill it.

'In you I see the potential to turn away from the Force'. Except that she turned away and grabbed it back at her first opportunity and that is why she failed Traya. 'If so then do it- for you have already failed me'. Traya holds no love for the Exile anymore.

No, she represents someone who turns from the force in fear (as she states on Dantooine) and immediately embraces it again in desperation. NOT what Kreia wants.

The full quote. It seems I know the original source better than you huh? 😉 [/B]

Well, as Naga Sadow says, I can't take pleasure in this victory.

The exile at first was stated a an average jedi, but a natural leader able to influence others. After she became a wound in the force, with every person she killed the stronger she got, and she kiledd hundred trying to find the remaining masters. Before she fought nihilus, he stunned the exile, mandalore and visas with minimal effort before trying to drain the exle and he became weakened. And Sion had feeling for the exile, that eroded his will after the first fight, and during the second fight got in his way. That is why the exile was able to convince him to let go. Plus traya only trained revan when he was a padawan. And after that revan went to other masters to learn more and kreia didn't see him again i don't think.

Yeah she did see him again. she said something like this "he came to his first teacher on how to join the Order. And he came back to find out how best to leave it." But the Exile is far above average after Malachor V because of the death feeding hting, as she probably killed ALOT of Storm Beasts, i i am thinking that the Trayus Academy had plenty of Sith in it. Not ALOT, but at least, say 100. Not unusual.

Yeah, I kill a hundred Sith every morning. I killed two hundred today, just for fun.

Thanks Montana.

Good Lord, you never learn.

Ah, I see you picked up the wit of your superiors. It's a shame you don't have your own personality.

I don't!? Ahh, identity crisis!

So you believe which doesn't mean much.

I don't merely 'believe', I've backed everything up with facts

Being "strong" in the force doesn't dictate your actual learned abilities. Being "strong" in the force without any kind of real training won't make you better than average. You have failed to prove her strength in the force coincides with her abilities. You lose.

No, I've proven she has the abilities to back up her strength, as I will detail below.

Yes, can you substantiate the term "impressive" in regards to proving the Exile is "exceptional"? I didn't think so.

I already have.

1. She defeated Atris.
2. Her defeat of the Sith Academy, although a gameplay mechanic, we don't know how many she defeated, if it was 1 by 1, and the strength of those sith.

"Those Sith assassins can sense their prey through the Force—it is like a hunger. They feed… and grow stronger… when they are near Force Sensitives. The stronger their prey is in the Force, the deadlier they become." - so the Sith in the academy grow depending upon the strength of their opponent. So the Exile is fighting against warriors of similar strength to herself, making defeating them a test of skill rather than strength. Plus they live in an academy and have for years so they should be reasonably skilled and knowledgeable already.

1. Her strength in the force is irrelevant without proper training.
2. Her ability to feed on death is a direct result from being a wound in the force.
3. Sion claiming she COULD become stronger than Traya doesn't mean she will.
4. She doesn't become stronger than Traya(as you hilariously assume)just because she defeats her. I've proven my argument involving Traya's efforts.
5. Canderous never claimed anything involving her being a match for Revan. If you're going to make shit up, I suggest you do it involving something I'm not intimately familiar with.
6. The lightsaber forms you choose to learn are a result of gameplay mechanics.
7. Participating and surviving in the Mandalorian Wars doesn't make you exceptional.
8. You lose

1. Which she has
2. And yet directly influences her power and strength.
3. Except she does, because she immediately goes on to defeat her.
4. You did no such thing. You merely made a unfounded and foolish claim that has been proven wrong.
5."I thought that Revan was a singular Jedi, but now there's you [Exile]. With all our martial training, battles and ethics, even our greatest warriors are no match for you [Exile].- he directly compares her to Revan, saying they're on the same level. Thank you to Allankles for the quote.
six. Except you don't choose them, you remember them NO MATTER WHAT, making them not a gameplay machanic, but something that the Exile genuinely knew. Not to mention the fact that the Exile trained with Kavar before the war, so she must have some skills.
7. Fighting on the frontlines against the greatest Jedi-killers bar the sith does make you exceptional actually. Not to mention this was before she grew in power, experience and skill.
8. I've won. In fact, I won a page ago, your just to stubborn to admit it.

No I'm not, because it's too easy.

So your not trying to win huh? That explains alot.....

Last resort to conceding the argument-denial

No, the last resort to conceding is unfoundedly claiming you've won already, something you've done alot.

There is everything to suggest it's a drain. Why does it have to yield the same exact properties?

Because the same attack causes the same effects. If a fireball hurls a ball of fire at someone and causes them to burst into flame, if someone else bursts into flame, you can't claim it was from a fireball, because there was no ball of fire.

What it looks like is that she separated them through the force and they dropped dead,

What it looks like is that they dropped dead, theres no way to prove it was a drain, she could have telekinetically crushed their hearts, thats actually more likely than it being a drain.

like the jedi masters.

No, with the jedi masters you have evidence that it was a drain, there was the same animation and noise as a drain and you could manually see they were drained afterwards. Same when Nihilus uses it. With the assassins, there is nothing, except your baseless specualtion built upon 'it looked like'.

Wrong. Unless you can compare them to specific force users, this point is irrelevant. Exactly how good they were is speculation.

Jesus Christ! I've listed their skills and abilities, what more do you want!? Each of them were at the highest level of a legendary martial art, they knew Battle precognition, a skill that matches that of a jedi, and in fact may even exceeded it going by Brianna's words, they were trained specifically to fight jedi. They Are Good. Atris Is Better Than 5 Of Them Combined. The Exile Is Better Still. Get that through your thick head.

I'm going to assume you're not even trying anymore as this has nothing to do with anything.

It deals directly with the Exile having personal feats that are superior to those of Revan's. And I'm going to assume you can't refute that because you didn't even try.

Right, denial x2. I think you should ask for some backup as you're not looking very good right now.

Bluster all you want, I've beaten you. Give up.

Oh jesus, are you serious?

No attempt at a rebuttal. Concession accepted.

Except the youtube video I've posted directly contradicts your assertion.

No that video supports my fact. Kreia directly states that the Exile has failed her. She directly states that someone defying the force is beautiful to her, and she directly states on Dantooine that the Exile only did so out of fear, which she doesn't respect, and thus that she's failed her.

Actually, I posted the part that mattered.

The part where Kreia says that they'll fight for supremacy and that if the Exila cannot kill her, then she will kill the Exile? The part that supports my argument? Yeas thanks for posting it. But the really important part is the one I posted, the one where Traya says that if she didn't fight with all her strength, all her power, then the Exiles victory will be for nothing, and she will have failed in her undertaking of training a truely great student. Luckily, she didn't.

You're done.

I have won.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Good Lord, you never learn.

No, with the jedi masters you have evidence that it was a drain, there was the same animation and noise as a drain and you could manually see they were drained afterwards. Same when Nihilus uses it. With the assassins, there is [b]nothing, except your baseless specualtion built upon 'it looked like'.

Jesus Christ! I've listed their skills and abilities, what more do you want!? Each of them were at the highest level of a legendary martial art, they knew Battle precognition, a skill that matches that of a jedi, and in fact may even exceeded it going by Brianna's words, they were trained specifically to fight jedi. They Are Good. Atris Is Better Than 5 Of Them Combined. The Exile Is Better Still. Get that through your thick head.

It deals directly with the Exile having personal feats that are superior to those of Revan's. And I'm going to assume you can't refute that because you didn't even try.

Bluster all you want, I've beaten you. Give up.

No attempt at a rebuttal. Concession accepted.

No that video supports my fact. Kreia directly states that the Exile has failed her. She directly states that someone defying the force is beautiful to her, and she directly states on Dantooine that the Exile only did so out of fear, which she doesn't respect, and thus that she's failed her.

The part where Kreia says that they'll fight for supremacy and that if the Exila cannot kill her, then she will kill the Exile? The part that supports my argument? Yeas thanks for posting it. But the really important part is the one I posted, the one where Traya says that if she didn't fight with all her strength, all her power, then the Exiles victory will be for nothing, and she will have failed in her undertaking of training a truely great student. Luckily, she didn't.

I have won. [/B]

Good lord Faunus, is this how I sound when I get my ass kicked?